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ULSU AGM 2012/13 (Thursday 11th October @ 3pm in the Concert Hall)
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?? How am I? He said in an earlier comment on this forum that he was going to put forward a motion to cut An Focal. I'm not saying anything he hasn't said himself.
But I think he is a joke... ?? Lol, maybe I'm just not getting it. I don't see anything wrong with telling someone what I think of them.Call that person a joke is abuse
Oh lighten up, you are a Jester after all!!Not to mention the trolololol comment.
:p Era, I've been trolled enough in my day, can I not have a bit of fun?Just give us a quick view on how he got the information he has is wrong but correct?
Era, sure you'll have to go to the meeting and find out wont ya!
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Just found out I won't make it to the AGM - apparently I have an exam in shorthand
Not that it's gonna make quorum anyway, but wanted to be there to show Reunion how he has misinterpreted the info given him. Era, I guess I'll just post it here. For the sake of brevity, I'll try condense to three short enough points.
1. The motion
The motion calls to stop the print edition of An Focal and Magazines such as Cellar Door. The wording of this motion alone reveals some ignorance of the workings of the Comms Office seeing as Cellar Door was a once off publication that occurred almost exactly a year ago. It has not been published since, nor are there any plans to publish it again.
2. The online stats
The proposer states - “The online version in the meantime has had 56,000+ views on issuu.com which works out at roughly 11,000 views per semester of the paper online.”
These figures seem to be coming from thin air. I can't even find where they might have come from or any info it might be being confused with. Not only that, but issuu.com is the website that HOSTS the PRINT VERSION of An Focal. This is NOT an online news site – the online news site is completely separate and is located at www.anfocal.ie
Total views of An Focal Print Edition on ISSUU.com for AY 2011/12 is 31,325 (not 56k) and the www.anfocal.ie website is averaging between 6,000 and 7,000 individual hits per month.
3. The Finance
Firstly, Reunion includes a figure of €8,473 in his calculations which are amounts incurred BY THE ULSU in bad debts. Bad debts (in relation to An Focal), for anyone who doesn't know (I wouldnt have known until last year), was advertising sold by the Comms Office which was never collected by the ULSU. I find it unfair to include this figure in the calculations because the work was done and the advertising was sold, but the ULSU dropped the ball and never bothered to collect the monies owed it. This is not the fault of An Focal, and the figure should not be included in any calculations relating to it.
Secondly, the figures Reunion quotes are misleading. On paper, An Focal does seem to incur a deficit, but An Focal (in previous years) was never meant to be a money maker - it was meant to be a service provided to UL students. As far as money goes, any previous ULSU VP/Comms Officer will tell you - the cost of producing An Focal was always covered by the money made by the Comms Officer. In other words, the Comms Officers would take on additional duties that were not in their job description in order to cover the cost of An Focal. So while An Focal appears to have lost money in recent years, the Comms Office income (income generated by the Comms Officer his or herself specifically to cover the cost of An Focal) has always covered it. Therefore, no student monies were ever spent on An Focal - it was covered completely by advertising revenue.
This year, things have changed. No Comms Officer means no additional streams of income. Therefore, money-making ad sales such as On Campus Activations, Package Deals, Web Ads, Posters, Product Placement, Sponsorship etc etc have all become the remit of the Events and Promotions Officer. This means that An Focal has to cover its cost through ad sales exclusively. The first two editions have not done this. The people running it know this, and have been working pretty hard to make ends meet. In the past two weeks, they have been bringing in a lot more ad revenue for future editions and they are pretty confident that with this advertising revenue and with a few cost cutting measures, they will achieve a cost neutral platform - thus providing a service for UL students on a cost neutral basis. I'm sure this will come up at tomorrows meeting, but I thought I'd outline it for anyone who cannot make it.
The annoying thing is, all of the above - cost cutting measures coming into effect, more ad sales, more online presence etc - these are issues that have already been raised in a constructive way BEFORE this ridiculous motion was put forward. The motion only serves to create a bad work environment for those working on An Focal who, if I can remind you, are indeed current UL students doing this for no monetary gain whatsoever.
It's a pity I can't make the meeting afterall, because I'm sure that once all the above is outlined, those that have supported this motion will realise how truly insignificant their claims actually are... especially considering that there is a much more important issue still ongoing right now in the Union regarding the proposed change to the 1/3 to 2/3 split - in my opinion, thats the isue that students should be thinking about and discussing right now.
Era, had hoped that would be a short comment. Thanks to anyone who stuck with it til the end I'll head away now and study for this test. Good luck to all in the meeting tomorrow.
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Kelly, even though you're not a current sabbat, this abuse is giving SU a really bad image. I saw that post on Facebook and your abuse was completely unprovoked. Telling someone what you think is one thing, but your behaviour is downright childish.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but the fact of the matter is that I'm not a current sabbat and, therefore, nothing I say should be taken as a ULSU stance in any way shape or form. I spent enough time last year being told what I could and couldnt say, so I dont plan on continuing that trend to prevent the ULSU getting a "bad image".
The 'abuse' was not totally unprovoked by the way - myself and Kevin are no strangers and have had run ins before. I apologise if it looks unprovoked, but I can assure you it is not. I'm not being childish in any way shape or form - I consider the man in question to BE an absolute joke, for many reasons other than his stance on the current issue. I wont go into those issues, as this is a public forum. I had no intention of coming onto boards and calling him a joke, by the way. I said it to him directly on the facebook page of a mutual friend of both of us. He's the one who took a screenshot of a personal and restricted post and put it on boards for all to see.With regards to "An Focal", maybe printing it in black and white and printing less copies could be a better way to go instead of just scrapping it all together.
I agree with you totally on this
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KellingtonDawg wrote: »I'm sorry you feel that way, but the fact of the matter is that I'm not a current sabbat and, therefore, nothing I say should be taken as a ULSU stance in any way shape or form. I spent enough time last year being told what I could and couldnt say, so I dont plan on continuing that trend to prevent the ULSU getting a "bad image".
The 'abuse' was not totally unprovoked by the way - myself and Kevin are no strangers and have had run ins before. I apologise if it looks unprovoked, but I can assure you it is not. I'm not being childish in any way shape or form - I consider the man in question to BE an absolute joke, for many reasons other than his stance on the current issue. I wont go into those issues, as this is a public forum. I had no intention of coming onto boards and calling him a joke, by the way. I said it to him directly on the facebook page of a mutual friend of both of us. He's the one who took a screenshot of a personal and restricted post and put it on boards for all to see.
Actually, I'm fully aware of these issues you have. I realise you don't get on but you made it completely personal for no reason. You say you're allowed to have your opinions, I think he should also be allowed to have his. And you didn't even watch what you said when you were a sabbat, even if you were told to.
Look, I have no personal issues with you but I just don't think the way you've behaved was appropriate.
At least we agree on what should be done with An Focal
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Actually, I'm fully aware of these issues you have. I realise you don't get on but you made it completely personal for no reason. You say you're allowed to have your opinions, I think he should also be allowed to have his.
Well we had gotten over some stuff... and believe it or not we were actually facebook friends up until today... but this latest stunt was genuinely just the last straw for me. Cmere, I dont want to get into that though, this is a public forum and as I said above, I didnt want to bring that kinda stuff onto here.you didn't even watch what you said when you were a sabbat, even if you were told to.
Believe it or not, most of the time I actually did! I could write a book with all the s**t I was told not to say :P :PLook, I have no personal issues with you but I just don't think the way you've behaved was appropriate.
Ditto, I've no problem with you either (well, I dunno who you are, but I assume I dont!). But I would like to apologise to you though, if you have a problem with anything I've said. And to anyone else who might have had a problem with it actually! I'm impulsive and rash and I say things I shouldnt say all the time :pac:
...but I would like to reiterate that all I did was get into an argument with him and call him a joke to his face (or to his virtual face?!) on a post that only a limited amount of people could see... I didnt call him anything worse, I didnt want to bring it on boards, I havnt plastered screenshots of it on public forums
- that was his decision.At least we agree on what should be done with An Focal
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MiamiMortimer wrote: »How very inappropriate and petty to bring a personal argument into this forum in the hope of publicly vilifying someone who disagrees with your point of view.
My heart lept into my throat when I saw this, I thought you were about to tear strips off me... imagine my joy when I find it to be the opposite!!!
Maybe boards isnt so bad after allMiamiMortimer wrote: »Annnnnnd now I'm done posting on this issue. Looking forward to hearing tomorrow's ruling.
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benchppress wrote: »Everyone involved with the SU, the officers, the C&S executive, the main detractors, are such horrible, horrible people. Just one thin veiled passive aggressive snipe at one another over and over again. Absolutely nothing positive has come out of both organisations in the last 5 years.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour, extremely unprofessional and childish.
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You pointed out that the students who are doing it with there own spare time and all power to them but I'm still paying for what is a waste of money when you can do most of it for free (TST)
I guess the point I'm making is that it CAN be done for free. And if enough people want the service, and the service can be done for free, then I dont see why it shouldnt exist. 0 -
KellingtonDawg wrote: »I guess the point I'm making is that it CAN be done for free. And if enough people want the service, and the service can be done for free, then I dont see why it shouldnt exist.
Or we could use the money SAVED from coving An Focal print to have MORE services instead of one 0 -
Or we could use the money SAVED from coving An Focal print to have MORE services instead of one
But there wouldnt be any money saved!!? Haha
Maybe I'm just not saying it right, sorry :pac:
But i mean that say if two co-op students were doing the paper... That would be free if they were on unpaid placement. It would also give them really good experience if journalism was something they wanted to go into later in life.
One student does the layout and manages the sub eds who assign the articles, and the other student goes ringing companies to see if they want to advertise in the paper. Money brought in from adverts is spent on printing the paper...
So if the paper was cut... Theres no money coming in from adverts... So there would BE no money to spend on other services!!! :P :P0 -
benchppress wrote: »Everyone involved with the SU, the officers, the C&S executive, the main detractors, are such horrible, horrible people. Just one thin veiled passive aggressive snipe at one another over and over again. Absolutely nothing positive has come out of both organisations in the last 5 years.
To be brutally honest, I'd actually agree with you to some extent... But I dont think its fair to be so general
In the above, you're lumping so many groups in together that they surely cant ALL be horrible people :P
You've got every member of a club or soc, every voluntary committee member, every officer, every staff member, every radio presenter, every unpaid coop student, every class rep and every An Focal writer lumped in there together as "horrible people". Statistic says there should be a few alright ones thrown in there:p
I had somewhat the same opinion as you between first and third year. I wrote for the paper and i was on the comittee of a society... But i didnt see them as being part of the su. And i hated the su. But then my opinion changed when i got more involved... I met some genuinely nice people in my time there. Met some great friends and boy that i fell in love with :pac:
But maybe itwas just me transforming into a horrible person. Era! 0 -
You said that An Focal made a loss and it was cover by other steams of revenue. Now if we stop the print no money would have to be brought from other streams to cover the cost meaning more money for the SU to spend. Ad space could be sold onlineKellingtonDawg wrote: »But there wouldnt be any money saved!!? Haha
Maybe I'm just not saying it right, sorry :pac:
But i mean that say if two co-op students were doing the paper... That would be free if they were on unpaid placement. It would also give them really good experience if journalism was something they wanted to go into later in life.
One student does the layout and manages the sub eds who assign the articles, and the other student goes ringing companies to see if they want to advertise in the paper. Money brought in from adverts is spent on printing the paper...
So if the paper was cut... Theres no money coming in from adverts... So there would BE no money to spend on other services!!! :P :P0 -
You said that An Focal made a loss and it was cover by other steams of revenue. Now if we stop the print no money would have to be brought from other streams to cover the cost meaning more money for the SU to spend. Ad space could be sold online
Oh right, no I meant that it was covered by other streams of revenue last year and in the years previous to this by the comms officer taking on extra work in order to pay for the paper.
This year, they want to (well, they'll have to) do it on a cost neutral basis (using what iv outlined above) which means making enough cuts and bringin in enough ads so that AnFocal is only spending the money its making directly 0 -
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