Does any EPL team have the badge now they had before Sky?

NIMAN

I noticed a few teams with newly designed badges over recent years, and was wondering if there are any sides in the EPL that haven't sold out and still have their original badge?

The_Kew_Tour

Man Utd.

WesternZulu

Newcastle, Southampton, QPR, West Ham I think just from the top of my head.

WesternZulu

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Man Utd.

They used to have 'manchester united' on the top and 'football club' on the bottom that was replaced by just 'machester' on the top and 'united' on the bottom around 10 years ago.

dreamers75

NIMAN wrote: »

I noticed a few teams with newly designed badges over recent years, and was wondering if there are any sides in the EPL that haven't sold out and still have their original badge?

Didnt sell out ,they didnt own the rights to their original crests therefore couldnt sue/beat the crap out of unofficial merchandisers outside stadiums.

So to legally own the crests they needed to create a new one and register it as a trademark. United were way ahead of everyone else in terms of merchandising so were obviously 1st early 90s i think?

Simply looking when an ® was added will tell you when it was done.

The_Kew_Tour

WesternZulu wrote: »

They used to have 'manchester united' on the top and 'football club' on the bottom that was replaced by just 'machester' on the top and 'united' on the bottom around 10 years ago.

Yes, but crest is still same. Thought thats what op meant.

NIMAN

tbh, I was hinting at teams redesigning their badges to be more up-to-date or modern, to appeal to the new breed of football supporter. I didn't realise that many were changed so that they would have copyright over them. Would just have assumed that the clubs owned the image of their original badge.

theoneeyedman

dreamers75 wrote: »

NIMAN wrote: »

I noticed a few teams with newly designed badges over recent years, and was wondering if there are any sides in the EPL that haven't sold out and still have their original badge?

Didnt sell out ,they didnt own the rights to their original crests therefore couldnt sue/beat the crap out of unofficial merchandisers outside stadiums.

So to legally own the crests they needed to create a new one and register it as a trademark. United were way ahead of everyone else in terms of merchandising so were obviously 1st early 90s i think?

Simply looking when an ® was added will tell you when it was done.

I don't know if this is true....have Liverpool not more or less reverted to the 70s style liver bird design recently ? I've heard that explanation for GAA county boards but never for soccer clubs, but you may be right.

ollaetta

WesternZulu wrote: »

Newcastle, Southampton, QPR, West Ham I think just from the top of my head.

Not QPR anyway. Briatore and Ecclestone insisted on changing the old one when they were in charge about 4 years ago.

dreamers75

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I don't know if this is true....have Liverpool not more or less reverted to the 70s style liver bird design recently ? I've heard that explanation for GAA county boards but never for soccer clubs, but you may be right.

Dont have to change the crest much but to trademark it you have do something


c1947 1970 1992 1993 1999

Pools biggest one of sorts was 93, fairly sure it was 91/92sh when United sued an outside the stadium merchandiser and led to this happening.

matrim

Pretty sure Villa's one is still the same.

Edit: Actually they did around 2007

Lumbo

Everton's crest is very similar to the one that was first designed in 1937/38. Don't think it was used on jersey's until the 70's.

keith16

Slightly OT, but the redesigned Ireland crest is awful.

Raekwon

matrim wrote: »

Pretty sure Villa's one is still the same.

Villa have probably changed their badge the most. I count 4 times since Sky & the EPL took off in the early 90's.

keith16

Incidentally why does Man City's crest have stars on it? I always thought a league club having stars meant either 10 league titles or a champions league?

Jax Teller

keith16 wrote: »

Incidentally why does Man City's crest have stars on it? I always thought a league club having stars meant either 10 league titles or a champions league?

Decoration

Xavi6

keith16 wrote: »

Incidentally why does Man City's crest have stars on it? I always thought a league club having stars meant either 10 league titles or a champions league?

The number of decades we went without a title :cool:

padd b1975

keith16 wrote: »

Incidentally why does Man City's crest have stars on it? I always thought a league club having stars meant either 10 league titles or a champions league?

I think its only in Italy where you get a star for 10 league titles.

Zebra3

keith16 wrote: »

Incidentally why does Man City's crest have stars on it? I always thought a league club having stars meant either 10 league titles or a champions league?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_(football_badge)

It started in Italy with it representing a club winning 10 doemstic championships. Shelbourne were the first to put a star above their crest in Ireland after winning ten titles. Even though Shamrock had won ten titles back in the 1960s, they didn't put a star over their crest til 2006 or so. Bohs put a star over their crest when they won their 10th title in 2008.

The current Limerick FC (founded in 2007) have two stars over their crest for, eh...good question.

Aberdeen have two stars over their crest for their two European trophies. :D:D:D Sad.

padd b1975 wrote: »

I think its only in Italy where you get a star for 10 league titles.

That's where it started, but some countries have different rules, some none at all.

Leinster's Rugby team have three stars on their crest.

I remember seeing a Meath GAA shirt a few years ago with nine stars on the bottom of the back of the shirt. Who knows what that was all about.

Hammer Archer

WesternZulu wrote: »

Newcastle, Southampton, QPR, West Ham I think just from the top of my head.

Slight change back in the 1990s.
Here's the old one

Zebra3 wrote: »

Leinster's Rugby team have three stars on their crest.

I remember seeing a Meath GAA shirt a few years ago with nine stars on the bottom of the back of the shirt. Who knows what that was all about.

7 stars. One for each All Ireland.

Helix

Raekwon wrote: »

Villa have probably changed their badge the most. I count 4 times since Sky & the EPL took off in the early 90's.

3 since sky

and one of those was just removing the crest at the bottom

the circular one should never have been gotten rid of

TerryTibbs!

Chelsea.

We changed back to the one from decades ago. So yes to answer the question.

Blatter

TerryTibbs! wrote: »

Chelsea.

We changed back to the one from decades ago. So yes to answer the question.

But the question was:

if there are any sides in the EPL that haven't sold out and still have their original badge?

But you have sold out before, so the answer to his question is no when it comes to Chelsea.

Sold out is a funny phrase when it comes to football clubs these days

Morzadec

I know Fulham changed theirs anyway.

Shame on them.

citytillidie

Zebra3 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_(football_badge)

It started in Italy with it representing a club winning 10 doemstic championships. Shelbourne were the first to put a star above their crest in Ireland after winning ten titles. Even though Shamrock had won ten titles back in the 1960s, they didn't put a star over their crest til 2006 or so. Bohs put a star over their crest when they won their 10th title in 2008.

The current Limerick FC (founded in 2007) have two stars over their crest for, eh...good question.

Aberdeen have two stars over their crest for their two European trophies. :D:D:D Sad.



That's where it started, but some countries have different rules, some none at all.

Leinster's Rugby team have three stars on their crest.

I remember seeing a Meath GAA shirt a few years ago with nine stars on the bottom of the back of the shirt. Who knows what that was all about.

I see it is only the small time teams in England who have put the stars over their crests for winning the European Cup / Champions Leauge

Dozen Wicked Words

TerryTibbs! wrote: »

Chelsea.

We changed back to the one from decades ago. So yes to answer the question.

Its similar to, but not the same as the badge Chelsea had for 30 odd years, and when the club had that badge, the badge on the shirt was often different.

Incidentally changing badge is not something done only at EPL level, nearly all teams, in all leagues tinker with their badge or radically change it.

Fr Tod Umptious

dooferoaks wrote: »

Its similar to, but not the same as the badge Chelsea had for 30 odd years, and when the club had that badge, the badge on the shirt was often different.

Incidentally changing badge is not something done only at EPL level, nearly all teams, in all leagues tinker with their badge or radically change it.

And it not something that has just stared recently, I has been going on since teams began

Kess73

Zebra3 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_(football_badge)

It started in Italy with it representing a club winning 10 doemstic championships. Shelbourne were the first to put a star above their crest in Ireland after winning ten titles. Even though Shamrock had won ten titles back in the 1960s, they didn't put a star over their crest til 2006 or so. Bohs put a star over their crest when they won their 10th title in 2008.

The current Limerick FC (founded in 2007) have two stars over their crest for, eh...good question.

Aberdeen have two stars over their crest for their two European trophies. :D:D:D Sad.











That's where it started, but some countries have different rules, some none at all.

Leinster's Rugby team have three stars on their crest.

I remember seeing a Meath GAA shirt a few years ago with nine stars on the bottom of the back of the shirt. Who knows what that was all about.

The stars are for the two times Limerick have won the league of Ireland title.


http://www.limerickfc.ie/club-info-2/club-crest

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Kess73 wrote: »

The stars are for the two times Limerick have won the league of Ireland title.


http://www.limerickfc.ie/club-info-2/club-crest

It's a different club though.

Kess73

Des wrote: »

It's a different club though.

Technically yes, but it is still a variation of the original club. The3re has always only been one senior club from Limerick and it has had many different owners/guises.



And it is hardly the only club in Ireland that has had to change owners/guise at one point or other and still claim a long connection to it's area. Cork city FC is technically not the same club as legally the current incarnation has only existed since 2010 when the name of the club was purchased by Cork City FORAS Co-op but I doubt any auld lad who has been going to Cork City (in one guise or another) games for decades gives a shyte as to whether or not the club is technically a different one or not, same applies to Limerick FC as far as I am concerned.

karma_

keith16 wrote: »

Incidentally why does Man City's crest have stars on it? I always thought a league club having stars meant either 10 league titles or a champions league?

I've always hated that badge myself, I wish we would go back to the old one but I think there is a rights issue or something.

Green Giant

I think Norwich have the same badge today as they had in their first EPL season in 92/93.

Open to correction but I'm fairly confident

citytillidie

Green Giant wrote: »

I think Norwich have the same badge today as they had in their first EPL season in 92/93.

Open to correction but I'm fairly confident

Yep correct, at least todays kit is not as bad as

BetterCallSaul

Newcastle's hasn't changed at all, to the best of my knowledge.

Dozen Wicked Words

BetterCallSaul wrote: »

Newcastle's hasn't changed at all, to the best of my knowledge.

Had a different badge in the 80's, although that's slightly OT

BetterCallSaul

dooferoaks wrote: »

Had a different badge in the 80's, although that's slightly OT

Aye, current one since 1988 Google tells me.

Jason Todd

Just looking at Everton's there... I thought they have always had the same, but there is sharpening up of the crest (which wouldn't count as selling out in my opinion) but there is also that a flag-type thing changing around the tower. That wouldn't count as selling out surely.

The interwoven 'EFC' design was adopted between 1922-1930. However, no badge was adopted until 1973 when a bold 'EFC' design was used. The shield design with the latin text was first used on club shirts in 1980. Since that original use on the shirts the crest has been modified and re-designed - with the current evolution of the design first introduced on shirts for the 2000/01 season. The '1878' wording and 'Everton' were added as permanent elements on the crest in 1998 but due to an ongoing kit deal, it was not added to the shirts until 2000.

Dozen Wicked Words

Jason Todd wrote: »

Just looking at Everton's there... I thought they have always had the same, but there is sharpening up of the crest (which wouldn't count as selling out in my opinion) but there is also that a flag-type thing changing around the tower. That wouldn't count as selling out surely.

CSF

Kess73 wrote: »

Technically yes, but it is still a variation of the original club. The3re has always only been one senior club from Limerick and it has had many different owners/guises.



And it is hardly the only club in Ireland that has had to change owners/guise at one point or other and still claim a long connection to it's area. Cork city FC is technically not the same club as legally the current incarnation has only existed since 2010 when the name of the club was purchased by Cork City FORAS Co-op but I doubt any auld lad who has been going to Cork City (in one guise or another) games for decades gives a shyte as to whether or not the club is technically a different one or not, same applies to Limerick FC as far as I am concerned.

Technically? It either is, or it isn't?

Raekwon

Helix wrote: »

3 since sky

and one of those was just removing the crest at the bottom

the circular one should never have been gotten rid of

No it's definitely 4.

Sky Sports launched in 1991 and Villa have had these badges since then:

1990-92 1992-2000 2000-2007 2007 - Present

I agree the circular one was iconic and shouldn't have been changed.