EU Wins Nobel Peace Prize

Rascasse

Einhard wrote: »

The EU obviously didn't have anything to do with Ireland and Cyprus being British dominions, but it has had something to do with the normalisation of relations between former enemies.

The EU had nothing to do with normalisation of relations between the UK and Ireland after independence, that happened long before the EU came about.

As for the Cypriots, ask them how useful the EU were after they gained independence. Did they stop the Greeks trying to take over? Nope. Did they stop the Turks invading a week later? Nope. Have they managed to get Cypriots the other half of their country back? Nope, though they are thinking about letting Turkey into the EU. That'll be popular on the streets of Nicosia.

Run_to_da_hills

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Linking to some conspiracy article does not gain your argument any validity.

A "conspiracy site" that backs up its material with main stream media links. :rolleyes:

Brain Stroking wrote: »

You were the guy predicting carnage on the streets of London during the Olympics and some sort of false flag event. How did that turn out?

Fortunately nothing became of it however it is not over and something will happen when we least expect it.

The EU is currently itching themselves to roll out of e_signatures and smart card identity so they can put tabs on every man woman and child that uses the Internet. Anything would not surprise me including the use of false flag terror strikes or financial market collapse to invoke martial law to bring it on.

http://www.euractiv.com/infosociety/brussels-wants-identities-eu-cit-news-512833

cyrusdvirus

I think we should send RTDH to the Cat laughs festival.

He'd be an absolute sell out.

cyrusdvirus

Everyone in Europe adding ‘Nobel Prize Winner’ to their CV

Nobel Peace prie for the EU

You have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for not acting on your deeply-held opinions of all those foreigners, the Nobel Committee has announced today.

In recognition of not starting any world wars in over seventy yea, the Nobel Peace Prize is going to everyone in the EU, and some are already proclaiming it to the be the proudest day of their lives.

“I’ve never won anything before,” said Simon Williams, a car mechanic from Basingstoke.

“Not even employee of the month, even though I’ve been here seven years and there’s only five of us on the payroll. So yes, this was a bit out of the blue.”

“This is because I haven’t killed anyone, isn’t it? It’s a daily struggle so I’m glad my efforts are being recognised.”
Nobel Prize for EU

As of midday today the search term “Nobel Peace Prize winner” rendered 2 million hits on recruitment sites such as JobServe and Monster as the unemployed sought to make the most of their new award.

Jobseeker Sharon James explained, “The job market is ruthless, so anything you can do to differentiate yourself can only be helpful.”

“My CV was a bit bland, even after I added my cycling proficiency test results – so this has helped quite a lot.”

“I mean, how many Nobel Prize winners do you think apply for a job on the deli counter at Asda?”

“It’s 24 by the way. I asked.”

Read more: http://newsthump.com/2012/10/12/everyone-in-europe-adding-nobel-prize-winner-to-their-cv/#ixzz295ebtUXV

Einhard

Rascasse wrote: »

The EU had nothing to do with normalisation of relations between the UK and Ireland after independence, that happened long before the EU came about.

You think Ireland the the UK had normal relations before Ireland entered the EU in 1973? Hmmm, alright...

As for the Cypriots, ask them how useful the EU were after they gained
independence. Did they stop the Greeks trying to take over? Nope. Did they stop
the Turks invading a week later? Nope. Have they managed to get Cypriots the
other half of their country back? Nope, though they are thinking about letting
Turkey into the EU. That'll be popular on the streets of
Nicosia.

Greece entered the then EEC in 1981. Cyprus in 2004. Not sure what you expected the EEC to do about a situation between the two that pre-dated their accession to the organisation by decades.

I'm not claiming that the EU was the only factor in better relations between nations. However, it seems obvious to me that when one has to sit down and engage in constructive dialogue over a period of years with another nation, then old animoisites and grudges slowly begin to dissipate. And that's exactly what's been happening in the EU.

hurpederp

I'm very strongly reminded of the scene in Father Ted where they are choosing which relics to upgrade. . .

evercloserunion

Rascasse wrote: »

The EU had nothing to do with normalisation of relations between the UK and Ireland after independence, that happened long before the EU came about.

As for the Cypriots, ask them how useful the EU were after they gained independence. Did they stop the Greeks trying to take over? Nope. Did they stop the Turks invading a week later? Nope. Have they managed to get Cypriots the other half of their country back? Nope, though they are thinking about letting Turkey into the EU. That'll be popular on the streets of Nicosia.

Take any Nobel Peace laureate and you can find plenty of conflicts which they did not solve. No one has ever achieved world peace, so in the absence of that the prize goes to those who make substantial contributions towards it. The EU contributed massively to the normalisation of relations between Germany, France, Italy, and arguably many of the other nations involved in the two world wars. You need to look at the EU in its historical context and realise that this level of cooperation and integration between European countries on such a sustained basis is pretty unprecedented.

TwoTokeTommy

We're going to need a bigger shovel cos that's some heap of $h!+e

Anyway, Max Keiser puts it together nicely:

'Monsanto & Frankenstein next!' Max Keiser destroys 2012 Nobel Peace Prize

dizzywizlw

Max Keiser actually believes in pure Capitalism, ergo he is a fraud.

Rascasse

Telegraph columnist tells it like it is live on the BBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYxuu7q1Mc

evercloserunion

Telegraph person hating the EU and trying too hard to be stereotypically English, what a shocker.

Manic Moran

cornbb wrote: »

For all the EU's faults it must be credited for holding the peace in Europe for nearly 60 years, despite those hiccups in the balkans. In more recent decades membership has been a massive incentive for former Soviet bloc nations to clean up their acts. The US use the stick and don't really manage the whole "peace" thing very well. The EU use the carrot to great effect. I don't really see the problem with this, and I'm not the EU's biggest fan, but the hitler metaphors are frankly ridiculous...

It may be instructional to note that the 'hiccups in the Balkans' were finally put to some form of rest by the US's use of the stick. Though one can't really blame the Dutch for it, one wonders what would have happened had the soldiers at Srebrenicze been a US Army infantry battalion with a couple of US Navy carrier strike wings at the other end of the radio and not a Dutch infantry battalion which felt abandoned by its foreign allies after calls for support. Carrots may be the first and preferential course of action, but you do need to have a stick to back it up,

mike65 wrote: »

At least it wasn't Bono.

The EU was built on the back of NATOs guarantee so NATO should win the prize really.

^^^ This cannot be overlooked either.

dizzywizlw

People who are EU skeptic here realise that their opinion lines up with the Tory Party in the UK right?

You feel the same as the Tories,

Think about that for a minute.

Jimoslimos

Sergeant wrote: »

The Keyboard Army of the Left are about to descend on the thread to pontificate on this grievous wrong.

Throw in "PC Brigade" and "Bleeding heart liberals" and you've won yourself today's DM Bullsh1t Bingo Competition!

Johro

CardBordWindow wrote: »

I remember in my day, the Nobel Peace Prize meant something.

I remember when this was all fields.

MadsL

dizzywizlw wrote: »

People who are EU skeptic here realise that their opinion lines up with the Tory Party in the UK right?

You feel the same as the Tories,

Think about that for a minute.

I just got a little bit sick in my mouth.

Rascasse

dizzywizlw wrote: »

People who are EU skeptic here realise that their opinion lines up with the Tory Party in the UK right?

Sinn Fein too.

El Siglo

I don't agree being critical of the EU is anything akin to Tory party scepticism, no point everyone being a 'yes man' for the sake of it. I suppose this probably should have been awarded 50 years ago, when the original Coal and Steel Pact and Treaty of Rome was signed and the institutions of the antecedent EU were developed (i.e. Germany and France could actually get along with one another after two world wars and the deaths of millions of people).

smellslikeshoes

Confab wrote: »

Link? If it's true it's utterly ridiculous. Might as well award it to Mars. Mars has never started any wars with Earth.

Fcuk Mars, Jupiter was robbed.

poeticseraphim

spank_inferno wrote: »

It is fair to say that the EU has been probably the most successful peace plan ever created.

Having said that.... considering the events of the previous 2 years, the award probably should have gone somewhere else.

People may think its odd awarding it to the EU, however despite the random timing of the award it still holds more merit than awarding it to Barak Obama.

OK but who are they giving to...and who collects it.....this makes no sense.....if Barosso or Van Rompuy go it is going to look like schtick and they will embarass us all by the fact that the reprsentative of 500 million people is a civil servant.....who looks like a secondary school teacher whose name you can't remember ..it is embarrassing

The riots in Spain are not looking too jolly by the by....and what about the award for democracy..
The EU HAS done a lot of good it's true...but not in that field....infact think of Nortern Ireland did the EU try to negotitate or help? Who did?

The balkans...did they do anything? Who did?

Who won ww2???? Who liberated France..???

What about the basque region??

The Eu has done alot but not in the area this award is given in.

Are they doing it to cheer the EU up???

Johro

Thinly veiled 'Please don't riot' effort.

K-9

El Siglo wrote: »

I don't agree being critical of the EU is anything akin to Tory party scepticism, no point everyone being a 'yes man' for the sake of it. I suppose this probably should have been awarded 50 years ago, when the original Coal and Steel Pact and Treaty of Rome was signed and the institutions of the antecedent EU were developed (i.e. Germany and France could actually get along with one another after two world wars and the deaths of millions of people).

I'm sure many thought it would never last then, never mind develop the way it has.

tigger123

El Siglo wrote: »

I don't agree being critical of the EU is anything akin to Tory party scepticism, no point everyone being a 'yes man' for the sake of it. I suppose this probably should have been awarded 50 years ago, when the original Coal and Steel Pact and Treaty of Rome was signed and the institutions of the antecedent EU were developed (i.e. Germany and France could actually get along with one another after two world wars and the deaths of millions of people).

Not sure if "Tory Party Scepticism" is the most accurate phrase to describe their feelings on the EU, think it runs just a tad deeper than that.

I'd also take issue with "being a yes man"... The values and legislation introduced through our entry to the EU are very important to the citizens of this country, and to be a supporter runs far deeper than "being a yes man".

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Trying to suppress me with your smart condescending comments will get you nowhere.

the rise of the EU Dictatorship

If only the energy you spent on being so self-absorbed as to think you'd be worth the effort of "suppressing" could be directed towards you answering a straight forward question.

What a day that would be.

evercloserunion

Johro wrote: »

I remember when this was all fields.

And we had to walk 20 miles in the snow to get out Nobel peace prize, in our bare feet.

chops018

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What next, a statue commemorating Adolph Hitler.

Oh a WW2 reference. I did nazi that coming, anne frankly I won't stand for it. I don't want to see this go any fuher and I think you should gesstappo now.

smash

Well at least bono didn't win.

Rascasse

One wonders if the Nobel committee had a few quid on the result. Heres the odds from Paddy Power (taken from Googles cache). Even bloody Facebook was a more likely winner in the bookies eyes.

Gene Sharp 6/4
Sima Samar 5/2
Lina Ben Mhenni 10/1
Wael Ghonim 12/1
Julian Assange 16/1
Helmut Kohl 20/1
Hu Jia 20/1
Memorial 20/1
Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo 25/1
Ban-ki Moon 25/1
Morgan Tsvangirai 25/1
Israa Abdel Fattah 25/1
Mary Robinson 33/1
Facebook 33/1
European Union 40/1
Bono 100/1


http://i.imgur.com/OzDn8.png

Elmer Blooker

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What next, a statue commemorating Adolph Hitler.

It wouldn't surprise me if they erect a statue of Hitler in Lithuania, apparently anti Nazi partisans and not Nazi collaborators are the real war criminals.
I suppose anything goes in Greater Germany the EU these days.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/nazi-hunter-lithuania-hunts-ex-partisans-lets-war-cr
Edit: link not working??

SharpshooterTom

All the UK forums are hammering the idea. The UK press will slaughter this decision!!

Capt'n Midnight

mike65 wrote: »

At least it wasn't Bono.

The EU was built on the back of NATOs guarantee so NATO should win the prize really.

It should be a joint award with the Soviet Block

"unfortunately the Soviet Block couldn't make it here tonight so to pick up the award on their behalf here is ..."

Capt'n Midnight

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

All the UK forums are hammering the idea. The UK press will slaughter this decision!!

This means war ! :mad:

donegal_road

according to RTE,

The European Union has won the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize for its long-term role in uniting the continent.

Now I suppose the massive oil find off Cork is Europe's oil, not Ireland's

Run_to_da_hills

donegal_road wrote: »

according to RTE,

Now I suppose the massive oil find off Cork is Europe's oil, not Ireland's

Correct,

If they can take our fish they will take our oil. :mad:

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Adolph Hitler used military might and brute force in an attempt to achieve his goals of taking over Europe.

The EU has achieved the exact same dictatorial goal of taking over Europe through commerce, sanctions and economic bullying.

Hey Run To The Mountains, his name was Adolf.

Guy:Incognito

Brain Stroking wrote: »

You were the guy predicting carnage on the streets of London during the Olympics and some sort of false flag event. How did that turn out?

RTDH is the exception to the stopped clock rule. Despite flinging muck in every direction constantly, he never hits **** all.

I'm still waiting to be interned in a camp as a result of the anti gangland laws brought in a few years back. Despite bringing it up every so oftem , he ignores the posts. Just like the one on the last page in response to his quip about the Lisbon referendum.

Run_to_da_hills

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

RTDH is the exception to the stopped clock rule. Despite flinging muck in every direction constantly, he never hits **** all.

I'm still waiting to be interned in a camp as a result of the anti gangland laws brought in a few years back. Despite bringing it up every so oftem , he ignores the posts. Just like the one on the last page in response to his quip about the Lisbon referendum.

I don't deny anything that I said in the past about anti gangland laws and what it can all lead to.

Currently In the UK ordinary people are being tracked down and locked up for expressing their opinions on social network content under measures that were originally drafted in to fight serious crime and terrorists, so how far do you think we will be behind them and it may not be our government that will be enforcing it

N64

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't deny anything that I said in the past about anti gangland laws and what it can all lead to.

Currently In the UK ordinary people are being tracked down and locked up for expressing their opinions on social network content under measures that were originally drafted in to fight serious crime and terrorists, so how far do you think we will be behind them and it may not be our government that will be enforcing it

Can you please elaborate on how awarding the EU the noble prize will somehow lead to a statue of Hitler?

The policy you mentioned in your post above is the UK governments decision, and in fairness to them, most of the people were just asking for it.

Run_to_da_hills

N64 wrote: »

Can you please elaborate on how awarding the EU the noble prize will somehow lead to a statue of Hitler?

The policy you mentioned in your post above is the UK governments decision, and in fairness to them, most of the people were just asking for it.

Its the farce element of this award I am referring to.

The fact that a largely undemocratic machine like the EU got a peace prize to begin with.

It looks like this Nobel committee (which was built on a company that developed explosives) is deliberately trying to prop up the EU as a peace maker and give the false notion that if it did not exist there will be war in Europe.

KINGVictor

dizzywizlw wrote: »

People who are EU skeptic here realise that their opinion lines up with the Tory Party in the UK right?

You feel the same as the Tories,

Think about that for a minute.

Utter rubbish and a very odd deduction. You will be so surprised that some people have the ability to make up their own minds without belonging to a pariticular party or any ideological persuation.

Have you also considered that some people might find the whole award laughable because the peace prize is 'usually' based on peace efforts in the last 12 months prior to the award. I am not aware of any major peace efforts by the EU in that time period, actually the relations between member states while not at War levels has been quite fractious.

A good arguement could be made that it is a purely political award but then the whole Nobel Peace Prize decision making became suspect after it was awarded to Barak Obama a few years ago.

In summary, just because someone disagrees or criticises the award to the EU does not actually infer that they are Eurosceptic. And even if they were, which isnt a bad thing in itself, it doesnt mean they have anything to do with the Tory party.

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't deny anything that I said in the past about anti gangland laws and what it can all lead to.

Dont be using words like "can" now. You said it would.

You said there'd be internment camps full of average Irish citizens all over the country.

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It looks like this Nobel committee (which was built on a company that developed explosives) is deliberately trying to prop up the EU as a peace maker and give the false notion that if it did not exist there will be war in Europe.

No. Thats the slant YOU want to put on it.

Seanchai

CardBordWindow wrote: »

I remember in my day, the Nobel Peace Prize meant something.

Yes, especially when people like Henry Kissinger was awarded it (1973).

Seanchai

gatecrash wrote: »

EU Wins Nobel Peace Prize

Good decision, and long overdue. People take a peaceful Europe for granted for some bizarre reason - as if two massive world wars and tens of millions of deaths because of war here in the past century has no fundamental connection with modern Europe.

Run_to_da_hills

Seanchai wrote: »

Good decision, and long overdue. People take a peaceful Europe for granted for some bizarre reason - as if two massive world wars and tens of millions of deaths because of war here in the past century has no fundamental connection with modern Europe.

The USSR was also peaceful before the break up.

K-9

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What next, a statue commemorating Adolph Hitler.

I thought you were one of those holocaust denier conspiracy theorists so you wouldn't see that as a bad thing?

Run_to_da_hills

If the EU had any decency they would hand over the prise money to Greece.

Seanchai

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If the EU had any decency they would hand over the prise money to Greece.

If the Greeks had any decency they would leave the EU and return to their culture of massive tax evasion and retirement at 55, rather than wanting to keep that culture and expect more fiscally responsible cultures to pay for it.

Run_to_da_hills

Seanchai wrote: »

If the Greeks had any decency they would leave the EU and return to their culture of massive tax evasion and retirement at 55, rather than wanting to keep that culture and expect more fiscally responsible cultures to pay for it.

They would have been grand if they didn't bother joining the EU in the first place like the rest of us.

BTW where are all those fuc"ing jobs that were promised by the YES brigade.

Indo404

Not thanks to the EU peace for 60 years in Europe but thanks to NATO.