Is this the first group of Irish players to not care about playing for Ireland?

NIMAN

You see Traps logic is basically to finish 2nd in this group. Lets be honest, Germany will romp this group.

If we win on Tuesday he will be happy as we keep pace with Sweden. Performances don't matter to him, just results. He is old school Italian remember.

spiralism

It's not that they don't care, far from it. Players just don't want to work under Trap, he has the ones there conditioned to believe they're awful footballers and that they're worth little other than hoof and hack merchants. It's turned into a miserable job more than anything. No expression, no creativity and no credit. We're taught to fear the likes of Macedonia, Armenia and Kazakhstan and view the likes of Spain and Germany like some random barstooler watching Guardiola's Barcelona on television.

The younger ones he doesn't even play or gives very little opportunity to come through and if they don't like it, well they can **** off. Seriously, on top of everything above, he's burned bridges with how many players now? This isnt 1990, or even 2002, there is VERY little in the way of talent available from an Irish perspective so excluding a sizable pool of players for that reason isn't exactly helping!

monkey9

dreamers75 wrote: »

Irish fans realising our level.......finally.......

Pat's actually squared up to Hannover!!

Richard Hillman

Na, the brats under Brian Kerr didn't give a toss. They couldn't even sit through a few videos of the opposition

Banjaxed82

cambo2008 wrote: »

Aren't you a delight :rolleyes:
And yea I know the reply.......

No deflections or snappy one liners, just answer me this... how does a bunch of part time fishermen and school teachers lose 3 nil to Germany in Germany, yet Ireland, made up of mostly premiership and championship players, get beaten 6-1 at home??

To quote Dietmar hamann: "germany were made to work harder against the faroes."

This isn't a case of us just been beaten by the better side. There is something fundamentally very wrong with the Irish team, and it isn't going to get better while Trap is in charge.

Imhof Tank

Faroes apparently 9/1 v us with Paddy Power now - that is value.

Backstreet Moyes

NIMAN wrote: »

Sorry but O'Shea should have retired after the Euro's.

He is now part of the problem.

Ye of course he should retire when O 'Dea is around. His tackle for the penalty you wouldnt see in a non league game. But of course your right it would be better if our captain retired a Premiership centre back. At least we have O Dea a squad player in MLS, St Ledger a sub in the Championship and McShane a sub in the Championship. Your right we should be getting rid of him were spoilt in options to replace him.

Will I Amnt

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

No deflections or snappy one liners, just answer me this... how does a bunch of part time fishermen and school teachers lose 3 nil to Germany in Germany, yet Ireland, made up of mostly premiership and championship players, get beaten 6-1 at home??

To quote Dietmar hamann: "germany were made to work harder against the faroes."

This isn't a case of us just been beaten by the better side. There is something fundamentally very wrong with the Irish team, and it isn't going to get better while Trap is in charge.

I'm not disagreeing. No need to tell anybody you don't agree with to f**k off.

The team that played the Faroes was arguably stronger than the one tonight.
But football doesn't work that way either.
If we beat the Faroes 4-0 on Tuesday well what does that say about Germany?
Nothing.

I don't know about you but I didn't expect much better from tonight. People need to understand the poor quality players we have available.
They just won't hold up against teams like Germany. I conservatively predicted 0-4 tonight, I had a feeling it would be worse though.

thebaz

I believe the players do care - but they have a manager well past his sell by date - WAS a great manager, sadly not now

Helix

BetterCallSaul wrote: »

the majority of them are just not international quality players.

if they're among the best eligible for the country in their positions, then they're international quality players. simple as that. ive never understood what "international quality" was supposed to mean beyond the best eligible for any given international team. does that mean that only top 20 international teams or whatever in the world have international quality players? what about all the other internationals?

secman

When do last recall an Irish manager constantly telling the media that our squad is not good enough , that our players are inferior, not mentally strong. And ye wonder if the players don't care !

Trap has long lost the dressing room , bar the cronies who should not be in the team.

The fai(L) board members have questions to answer, this blind allegiance to delaney , who is still on a ridiculously high salary, and we don't even have a proper league.

niallo27

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Faroes apparently 9/1 v us with Paddy Power now - that is value.

They are only 5/1, 21/10 for the faroes with the draw.
No Value there.

Hawk Wing 2

They don't believe in the manager, had to play with passion when there is no respect for the system or the manager

niallo27

Hawk Wing 2 wrote: »

They don't believe in the manager, had to play with passion when there is no respect for the system or the manager

How about a bit of passion and respect for their country and the fans who paid good money to see them.

oldyouth

In my opinion players often look as if they are playing without passion when the truth is that they have no direction (or don't understand the direction) from the manager. Basically, they didn't know what they were expected to do or didn't believe in it.

ThunbergsAreGo

There was a 5 minute spell in the first half where we had 2% possession!!!

I have never seen that before and is embarrassing and highlights the deficiencies in his tactic. Assuming that in that 5 minutes a max of 4 was when the ball was in play that means we had the ball for 5 seconds

The "attempts" made by Ward and McCarthy on the last goal were embarrasing. The players AND manager need to have a hard look at themselves this morning

niallo27

oldyouth wrote: »

In my opinion players often look as if they are playing without passion when the truth is that they have no direction (or don't understand the direction) from the manager. Basically, they didn't know what they were expected to do or didn't believe in it.

Its the same system that they played in last year and they looked very well organised, nothing has changed. They should know exactly what they are expected to do.

BetterCallSaul

Helix wrote: »

if they're among the best eligible for the country in their positions, then they're international quality players. simple as that. ive never understood what "international quality" was supposed to mean beyond the best eligible for any given international team. does that mean that only top 20 international teams or whatever in the world have international quality players? what about all the other internationals?

Ok, the majority of them are sh1te players, happy now?

I've not exactly thought too much about it, but I suppose I use the term for someone I think is of the standard to be playing at major international tournaments and that doesn't mean that "only the top 20 international teams or whatever in the world have international quality players".

You could look at the bloody Welsh squad and pick out more quality than ours, which is fairly depressing.

kitakyushu

d22ontour wrote: »

Maybe we need to recruit better English players.

We need to recruit better German, Spanish and Brazilian players.

carlop

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

No deflections or snappy one liners, just answer me this... how does a bunch of part time fishermen and school teachers lose 3 nil to Germany in Germany, yet Ireland, made up of mostly premiership and championship players, get beaten 6-1 at home??

To quote Dietmar hamann: "germany were made to work harder against the faroes."

This isn't a case of us just been beaten by the better side. There is something fundamentally very wrong with the Irish team, and it isn't going to get better while Trap is in charge.

This is an unbelievably retarded argument. United lost to City 6-1 last year, and Sunderland took 4 points off them. Does that make Sunderland better than United?

Tuesday could be horrible, but no matter what happens we are still better than the Faroes, which is why the bookies have us at 1/3 and not 7/4 as some people said in the match thread.

homerjay2005

theres a difference between not caring and not being good enough.

the players do care, they just were shown up last night as if they werent trying. its hard to keep chasing a ball for 90 minutes, its why top sides normally score alot of late goals, the opposition simply cant cope.

ireland could only match them for 35 mins last night, once they got through, it was game over.

andyman

daingeanrob wrote: »

we really don't have the players. we were really bad tonight though, but we don't have the players to change it

This is absolute nonsense. I'm really sorry but this "we don't have the players" lark is complete and utter horse****

Let's look at Trap's favourite XI:

Westwood
O'Shea--Dunne--St.Ledger--Ward
McGeady--Andrews--Whelan--Cox
Doyle--Keane

Let's look at another XI, not including the players in the above team

Forde
Coleman--O'Dea--Clark--Wilson
Hunt--McCarthy--Meyler--McClean
Long--Walters

How many of the players in the bottom team would you put into the top team (change formations as you wish)? I can count EIGHT players.

Also, here's a team of 23 or under

McLoughlin
Kiernan--Duffy--Canavan--White
Carruthers--Hendrick--Clifford
Brady

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Murray
Mason

Now, I know we don't have an abundance of talent like Spain and Germany, but for anybody to say we don't have the players to improve this team is talking through their hole. We have the players to improve this team and we have the players to get in the faces of the bigger sides, like the Irish national team has a reputation for. That under-23 team would probably have lost by a similar scoreline last night but I have no doubt in my mind that they would have left everything out on that pitch.

thecatspjs

I know Ireland were abysmal last night, but the Germans were amazing to watch. It was made easy for them yes, but the fluency and speed of their movement was great. They are the 2nd best team in the world and, on their day, could beat anybody 6-1 IMO. I do agree that Ireland need a new direction, and the manner of the defeat was unacceptable.

It'll be a rough few years, but all we can do is stay behind the team regardless of playing style/bad management. Maybe one day, we'll have some world beaters. If that day comes, we all might look back and laugh.