Will Liverpool FC ever be back??

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Melion wrote: »

Jesus ****ing christ, what was a decent thread ruined by absolute ****wittery

Back to sense,Rogers has called for FSG to back him in the transfer market & doesn't want a repeat of the shambles that went on in the Summer.What would be the outcome if promises are broken & the funds that are needed aren't made available or severely restricted?
Would he walk away or struggle on with what he's got? Even the most die hard 'pool fan has to admit the squad just isn't up to it & all it takes is a bad run of injuries to really ruin the already below par season.

niallo27

Melion wrote: »

Jesus ****ing christ, what was a decent thread ruined by absolute ****wittery

Its not a decent thread, its the usual bollox where people can see how many times they can use the words mid-table team in a page.

Melion

niallo27 wrote: »

Its not a decent thread, its the usual bollox where people can see how many times they can use the words mid-table team in a page.

Liverpool are a mid table team. What's the problem? The original question asked if they will get back to where they were in the 80's/under Rafa.

niallo27

Melion wrote: »

Liverpool are a mid table team. What's the problem? The original question asked if they will get back to where they were in the 80's/under Rafa.

I dont agree they are a mid-table team, i think they are under preforming for the squad they have and had over the last few years. I think it would take another 3 or 4 years of coming down the table before you can say liverpool are a mid table team, to me a mid table team is a team that comes maybe 8th to 14th season after season.

Melion

niallo27 wrote: »

I dont agree they are a mid-table team, i think they are under preforming for the squad they have and had over the last few years. I think it would take another 3 or 4 years of coming down the table before you can say liverpool are a mid table team, to me a mid table team is a team that comes maybe 8th to 14th season after season.

6th,7th and 8th the last 3 seasons. That's mid table in my eyes.

Slattsy

Melion wrote: »

niallo27 wrote: »

I dont agree they are a mid-table team, i think they are under preforming for the squad they have and had over the last few years. I think it would take another 3 or 4 years of coming down the table before you can say liverpool are a mid table team, to me a mid table team is a team that comes maybe 8th to 14th season after season.

6th,7th and 8th the last 3 seasons. That's mid table in my eyes.

But next year will be our year B-)

darced

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Blatter

darced wrote: »

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What logic is this based on?

Leiva

darced wrote: »

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Fergie staying or Fergie going . What would have been the difference?

Brain Stroking

As big an issue as "Will Aston Villa get back?" or "Will Leeds ever get back?".

I say all these fallen giants cant make it back. Where would all the sugar daddy teams end up?

Brain Stroking

darced wrote: »

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You're obviously having trouble seeing what is going on at the top from your present vantage point.

Brain Stroking

niallo27 wrote: »

I dont agree they are a mid-table team, i think they are under preforming for the squad they have and had over the last few years. I think it would take another 3 or 4 years of coming down the table before you can say liverpool are a mid table team, to me a mid table team is a team that comes maybe 8th to 14th season after season.

I call midtable any team that doesnt qualify for Europe but doesnt battle relegation.

Blatter

Blatter wrote: »

What logic is this based on?

Boards.ie logic!

NukaCola

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

proud holders of the COC

Well....i laughed at least......

NukaCola

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I call midtable any team that doesnt qualify for Europe but doesnt battle relegation.

Over a period of time or just any given season?

BenEadir

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

There are buckets and buckets of doubts. He has done nothing of such consequence in the game. He is inexperienced and facing a challenge far tougher than anything he has been tasked with before.

So what manager has faced (and conquered) the same challenge we are now facing Lloyd??

Ben

klose

Mid table for me is from 6th to 14th. 5th and 6th are usually close to 4th points wise and any team below 14th always has relegation on their mind in the latter stages of the season.

I've seen some people saying here before that anything after 4th is mid table, think that's a bit much IMO.

whippedcream

whippedcream wrote: »

Mid table for me is from 6th to 14th. 5th and 6th are usually close to 4th points wise and any team below 14th always has relegation on their mind in the latter stages of the season.

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Phew

klose

rarnes1 wrote: »

Phew

We aite for now :cool:

niallo27

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I call midtable any team that doesnt qualify for Europe but doesnt battle relegation.

Liverpool have failed to qualify for Europe only once in the last 15 years or so though in fairness. How long does it take you to become a mid table team though, is it 3 years or 4 years or what. I think liverpool are better than a mid table team. Fulham and the sunderlands are mid table teams.

niallo27

darced wrote: »

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I would agree, I don't think ferguson has it in him to fight off another challenge, I think he has been caught out tactically lately.

~Rebel~

BenThere wrote: »

So what manager has faced (and conquered) the same challenge we are now facing Lloyd??

Ben

First, I'd like to say that I'm fine with Rodgers having the job. He wasn't top of my list, but I like how he's gone about things so far. Obviously we want wins, but that's something i'm not going to judge till the latter half of the season when we see if his methods click.

If we finish in the same position as last season, but our second half of the season's performances have included consistently finding the net, I'd be ok with that.

This process is a marathon, not a sprint, and even if the worst happens and we struggle all year, and he should got fired, i think our players would be better players for having worked with him.

Now, with my position on that clear, Rafa faced, and conquered that challenge. The challenge being to take a bunch of players and get them to perform to - or above - their ability to hit the upper reaches of the table. He did it with Valencia, and he did it with us.

Paul Tergat

niallo27 wrote: »

I would agree, I don't think ferguson has it in him to fight off another challenge, I think he has been caught out tactically lately.

hahaha

sad that again united have to be brought into it but just on this crap you posted, havent you learned by now never to write him off?

if it makes you and your buddies feel better fine but talking about liverpool in this context is legitimate whereas putting united into this bracket is retarded.

Brain Stroking

NukaCola wrote: »

Over a period of time or just any given season?

I would say 2-3 seasons is enough considering the difference in players you would attract in that period of time. It varies though. Blackburn went from title challengers to nowhere fast but Liverpool is a different case as they are a renowned club with a global fanbase.

Either way the above is moot as Liverpool wouldnt be a midtable team in my opinion as of yet based on lingering reputation alone. 2 more years of the current malaise = midtable club

niallo27

Paul Tergat wrote: »

hahaha

sad that again united have to be brought into it but just on this crap you posted, havent you learned by now never to write him off?

if it makes you and your buddies feel better fine but talking about liverpool in this context is legitimate whereas putting united into this bracket is retarded.

Have a look in the utd thread, your fellow fans are questioning his tactics lately, he can't go on forever, it's a reasonable question is he up to it again.

niallo27

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I would say 2-3 seasons is enough considering the difference in players you would attract in that period of time. It varies though. Blackburn went from title challengers to nowhere fast but Liverpool is a different case as they are a renowned club with a global fanbase.

Either way the above is moot as Liverpool wouldnt be a midtable team in my opinion as of yet based on lingering reputation alone. 2 more years of the current malaise = midtable club

I would agree with you, two more years of coming 7th or 8th, then maybe you could call them a mid table side.

T-K-O

Rafa was a great manager he was a victim of those idiots American owners. It's shame but I have a faith in Rodgers. Time to move forward

Paul Tergat

niallo27 wrote: »

Have a look in the utd thread, your fellow fans are questioning his tactics lately, he can't go on forever, it's a reasonable question is he up to it again.

tactics is one thing, questioning his fight is ****ing stupid.

Brain Stroking

Paul Tergat wrote: »

tactics is one thing, questioning his fight is ****ing stupid.

Agreed. There is nothing in Ferguson's recent management to suggest he has lost his "fight". He has made mistakes recently but he isnt infallible. Believing anything else is straw clutching in my opinion.

niallo27

Paul Tergat wrote: »

tactics is one thing, questioning his fight is ****ing stupid.

I'm not questioning his willingness to fight though, I'm questioning has he it in him again, he might well have. I'm not saying he won't do it but its not crazy to think at his age it's too much for him.

Paul Tergat

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not questioning his willingness to fight though, I'm questioning has he it in him again, he might well have. I'm not saying he won't do it but its not crazy to think at his age it's too much for him.

you kinda did but sadly this has turned into something it shouldnt have and to anyone reading on my part im sorry.

my bad, back OT

darced

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Will I Amnt

darced wrote: »

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Steady on there horse. City have won 1 league title and just about scraped it at that. United are not exactly lagging too far behind.

PhlegmyMoses

niallo27 wrote: »

Have a look in the utd thread, your fellow fans are questioning his tactics lately, he can't go on forever, it's a reasonable question is he up to it again.

People have been questioning his tactics forever.

Just to go back to your original comment, on what are you basing the statement that Fergie doesn't have it in him to fight off another challenge? Age?

City haven't been lighting it up this year and Chelsea have had the easiest first few matches they could have hoped for. As I've said since the start of the season, if United are within 6 points of the leaders by January, they'll win it.

Edit: Just realised that this is massively off-topic. Completely forgot it was a thread about Liverpool when I posted. How did it get on to this. Mental, if not unsurprising.

darced

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niallo27

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

People have been questioning his tactics forever.

Just to go back to your original comment, on what are you basing the statement that Fergie doesn't have it in him to fight off another challenge? Age?

City haven't been lighting it up this year and Chelsea have had the easiest first few matches they could have hoped for. As I've said since the start of the season, if United are within 6 points of the leaders by January, they'll win it.

Edit: Just realised that this is massively off-topic. Completely forgot it was a thread about Liverpool when I posted. How did it get on to this. Mental, if not unsurprising.

I asked the question does he have it in him to fight off another challenge, I'm not sure he does, he has to stop sometime doesn't he, he can't go on forever, I hope the **** he can't anyway.

DoctorGonzo08

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

City haven't been lighting it up this year and Chelsea have had the easiest first few matches they could have hoped for. As I've said since the start of the season, if United are within 6 points of the leaders by January, they'll win it.

Well as long as they don't end up 8 pts ahead with 6 games to go. lol sad face.

Will I Amnt

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Well as long as they don't end up 8 pts ahead with 6 games to go. lol sad face.

Bit of a freak event for us.
Just like the time you lot challenged us for the title a few years ago :pac:

DoctorGonzo08

cambo2008 wrote: »

Bit of a freak event for us.
Just like the time you lot challenged us for the title a few years ago :pac:

?? Think you're mixed up there. Not a Liverpool fan.

PhlegmyMoses

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Well as long as they don't end up 8 pts ahead with 6 games to go. lol sad face.

Oh you're one of those. Cool.

kfallon

Super-Rush wrote: »

Gary fcuking Hooper.

And what's your problem with Hooper???

Blatter

kfallon wrote: »

And what's your problem with Hooper???

The same problem some people had with the suggestion of signing Jelavic last January - he's playing in the SPL.

Hulk Hands

What do Liverpool think of the refusal of the owners to invest in a new stadium? Anfield is certainly not a stadium suitable for a club of Liverpool's size. I can't see how the £150 million set aside is going to make a huge difference in the quality of the stadium. I'd imagine £150 million is needed to even keep the stadium functional and safe into the future, never mind the increase in facilities, and capacity it obviously needs.

Will I Amnt

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

?? Think you're mixed up there. Not a Liverpool fan.

Think I have you mixed up with someone else alright. Sorry about that.
<insert derogatory remark about your club here>

Idbatterim

saying this as a total neutral, success now generally follows the total wages paid, liverpool either need a sugar daddy or to expand stadium, sell naming rights etc... they cant compete if they arent on a level playing field & they currently are not. Also by compete I mean for the top 4... Stadium is currently 45k, what do they plan on increasing it to? 60 or 65k id guess, if they dont already have them they need the corporate boxes etc too...

niallo27

Hulk Hands wrote: »

What do Liverpool think of the refusal of the owners to invest in a new stadium? Anfield is certainly not a stadium suitable for a club of Liverpool's size. I can't see how the £150 million set aside is going to make a huge difference in the quality of the stadium. I'd imagine £150 million is needed to even keep the stadium functional and safe into the future, never mind the increase in facilities, and capacity it obviously needs.

Do you think its made of cardboard or something, why would they need that much to keep it safe, if they can turn anfield into a 60,000 seater for that money which they should be able to, i dont see any problem.

Leiva

Hulk Hands wrote: »

What do Liverpool think of the refusal of the owners to invest in a new stadium? Anfield is certainly not a stadium suitable for a club of Liverpool's size. I can't see how the £150 million set aside is going to make a huge difference in the quality of the stadium. I'd imagine £150 million is needed to even keep the stadium functional and safe into the future, never mind the increase in facilities, and capacity it obviously needs.

With all respect your totally wrong on all accounts.

The decision to redevelop Anfield is the correct one and nobody is refusing to invest.

I'm delighted with this decision and it makes complete sense as the club will be living within its means and not having to get the club in massive debt for an extra 15,000 seats.

If/when the council plans are completed successfully we will have a fantastic stadium without loosing any of the Anfield magic.

happy out.

kfallon

Blatter wrote: »

The same problem some people had with the suggestion of signing Jelavic last January - he's playing in the SPL.

Yeah God forbid we might sign a centre forward who will score regularly

Hulk Hands

niallo27 wrote: »

Do you think its made of cardboard or something, why would they need that much to keep it safe, if they can turn anfield into a 60,000 seater for that money which they should be able to, i dont see any problem.

I also said functional. Anyone who has been there can obviously see the stadium and facilities are outdated. Can you really expect one of the biggest clubs in the world to carry on for the long term future with poor seating, restricted views, terrible dressing rooms etc. Almost everything in the stadium needs to be updated, any Liverpool fan will tell you that. Perhaps they can get that done for £150M. I can't see it myself

Leiva

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I also said functional. Anyone who has been there can obviously see the stadium and facilities are outdated. Can you really expect one of the biggest clubs in the world to carry on for the long term future with poor seating, restricted views, terrible dressing rooms etc. Almost everything in the stadium needs to be updated, any Liverpool fan will tell you that. Perhaps they can get that done for £150. I can't see it myself