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Vegetarianism - would you try it?
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Depends on what you count as exotic I guess. If I was sticking to an Irish style boiled potatoes, boiled [carrots/broccoli, etc.] and portion of beans/lentils, personally I'd get sick of it fairly soon. Meat brings a variety even when cooked plainly that I don't think plain veg matches up to.
Well yes of course, it'd be about as boring as the meat/two veg diet generally is anyway, but that wasn't my point - my point is that it'd be a good place to start for new vegetarians or vegans that haven't learned to cook very well yet
Besides, I wasn't talking the same boring beans or veg over and over - you can be quite versatile even when learning to cook - bean burgers, casserole, grilled portobello mushroom burgers, veg gratin, veg-based quiche, stews, sauces, etc.Think this is an interesting one - for those who are vegetarian for environmental reasons, did the carbon footprint of shipping the fruit/veg come into consideration for you? People say that more land is needed to keep livestock, but most people try to buy meat as locally produced as possible, whereas a lot of produce comes from abroad.
(Though I read recently too that a lot of chicken sold in Ireland is coming from east Asia! Must try to find a source. Think that's disgraceful - this is what should be on menus, not the calorie count!)
Yes we try to buy locally, and seasonal produce as well. For the most part this works quite well too There's quite a large selection of winter veg so vegans don't starve during the winter either.. sure your great grandparents didn't either (and meat wasn't always a staple in the diet, traditionally it was only served on a Sunday, hence the Sunday roast! Weekday vegetarian food used to be the normal "western diet" anyway) 0 -
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Yes we try to buy locally, and seasonal produce as well. For the most part this works quite well too There's quite a large selection of winter veg so vegans don't starve during the winter either.. sure your great grandparents didn't either (and meat wasn't always a staple in the diet, traditionally it was only served on a Sunday, hence the Sunday roast! Weekday vegetarian food used to be the normal "western diet" anyway)
That always brings to mind a childhood memory my grandmother would share with us :
When she was growing up (in Germany, in a farming family of 8 people... I know, but trust me, I've seen pictures : German farms in the 1920s were just as piss-poor as poor Irish farms), their Sunday roast was 1 pigeon. To share between 8 people.
My grandmother would normally get the neck.
That was all the meat she had in a week.
Even when I was growing up, 1 chicken on a Sunday was considered to be plenty for 5 people.0 -
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dearg lady wrote: »is one chicken for 5 people not plenty anymore?!! Jaysus, I think we used get sambos out of one and everything!
It wouldn't seem so. I'm not eating it any more, but I do remember in the 90s my mom would make 2 chickens for the 4 of us on a weeknight.0 -
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I assume you feel the same way about dogs and cats. What we're doing to those species is far more reprehensible, we're breeding genetic abnormalities into the species just because we like the way it looks. Minature dogs suffer horribly because of our need to make them cute yet people think that's fine. At least with cattle we do it for a good reason.
Many vegans actually don't keep dogs or cats for that reason (besides the fact you'd have to give them meat to feed them).
The whole zombie apocalypse reasoning is very silly by the way, why don't we just deal with it when it happens Besides anything else, that and the "non-native food" thing has been thrown around a few times before and it always ends up being a big dose of double standards: yes some plants foods etc. aren't native to Ireland, but neither are chickens! And it's not like meat eaters don't also eat all the things vegans/vegetarians eat (including vegetables and rice etc), it's just that we're generally leaving out a few ingredients (meat/ milk products) that omnivores do eat. 0 -
That's the kind of talk that will get people killed once the zombies come. You have to be prepared.
The whole zombie apocalypse reasoning is very silly by the way, why don't we just deal with it when it happens
Chickens may not be native to Ireland but they can still be produced here unlike bananas or soy so it's not a good comparison at all.yes some plants foods etc. aren't native to Ireland, but neither are chickens!0 -
That's the kind of talk that will get people killed once the zombies come. You have to be prepared.
Chickens may not be native to Ireland but they can still be produced here unlike bananas or soy so it's not a good comparison at all.
Agreed. I'll give up bananas when you do too
Also, what are your chickens eating, come the zombie apocalypse?0 -
I'm not too sure what range chickens have in their diet, I won't have access to industrial chicken feed but id guess they could eat worms, bugs and seeds along with other scraps.
Agreed. I'll give up bananas when you do too
Also, what are your chickens eating, come the zombie apocalypse?0 -
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I'm not too sure what range chickens have in their diet, I won't have access to industrial chicken feed but id guess they could eat worms, bugs and seeds along with other scraps.
They eat grain mostly, in farming anyway.
If you're leaving scraps you're doing it wrong (surviving)
Actually any proper end-times survivalist apocalyptic preparationist will have the house stuffed to the rafters with dried beans. Just sayin'
I truly don't get this argument anyway - it's not like you're really suggesting you'd live on a pure meat diet, is it? If you are, you'd not survive for very long - humans are genuine omnivores, not carnivores, we need fruit/veg/carbs in our diet or we get sick. We can't produce our own vitamin C for a start.
Meat eaters always seem to have this misunderstanding that vegetarians/ vegans eat and import masses of tofu or whatever to replace meat, which is genuinely not the case. It is a nice modern convenience, sure, like bananas but not essential.
My husband's great aunt was also vegan, and lived through both world wars, growing up in Sweden, Lithuania and Germany. She would never have had tofu or whatever, just the normal fruit, veg, nuts and grains that everyone else was eating and still lived to be 104.0 -
Or tinned, dried beans need proper storage. With central heating gone houses will have a lot more moisture in them. Dried beans would be great while they lasted as long as you make sure you mind them.
They eat grain mostly, in farming anyway.
If you're leaving scraps you're doing it wrong (surviving)
Actually any proper end-times survivalist apocalyptic preparationist will have the house stuffed to the rafters with dried beans. Just sayin'
No, never have and never would. I'm saying without the global economy and shipping network its going to be difficult to have a purely veg diet on a small island like Ireland. It takes a huge effort to make it work in Ireland but would be easier in mainland Europe.I truly don't get this argument anyway - it's not like you're really suggesting you'd live on a pure meat diet, is it?0 -
No, never have and never would. I'm saying without the global economy and shipping network its going to be difficult to have a purely veg diet on a small island like Ireland. It takes a huge effort to make it work in Ireland but would be easier in mainland Europe.
Not really, as I've mentioned before, your great great granny would have done it Spuds and cauliflower, cabbage, colcannon, champ.. these used to be the staple diet, not regular meat. 0 -
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Not really, as I've mentioned before, your great great granny would have done it Spuds and cauliflower, cabbage, colcannon, champ.. these used to be the staple diet, not regular meat.
Peasants not able to afford proper food shocker. Do you think they would have passed up the opportunity to eat a bit of bacon with their cabbage? A bit of steak with their spuds. Would they f*ck.
Vegetarianism is generally peculiar to wealthy westerners0 -
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