LOI players who should be considered for the national side.

Essien

One of the items on my ever growing list of reasons to dislike the current international set up is the fact that our own league is completely ignored.
The players are there, they just have to be, or at the very least we should be looking there for when a bright prospect does emerge.
If the current crop are as bad as everyone says, then what do we have to lose by recruiting from our domestic competition?
For me the most notable recent cases are Fahey, Coleman and McLean - these guys didn't just become good enough when they landed in England.

My question to the LOI experts on here is who do you think should be given a chance in the national side?

AgileMyth

Pascal Millien and Joseph Ndo.

PhlegmyMoses

Philly Hughes. He eats what he waaaants......

Xavi6

I'd be surprised if there's currently any tbh.

applehunter

The positives to come from the financial state of league clubs is that youth is being given a chance.

Lots of talented young players in the league now.

But not for senior international level.

gimmick

Maybe in years past but currently there really isn't anyone in the league capable of making the step.

Oat23

Nobody who watches our league can tell me Andy Keogh should be in there ahead of a top LOI talent.

Mark Quigley > Andy Keogh

losthorizon

AgileMyth wrote: »

Pascal Millien and Joseph Ndo.

Ndo is a Cameroonian international and has played in the world cup qualifiers and was at the 2002 WC. In many ways he has played in better international teams than any of the current Irish squad.

Hes not eligible any way.

Claude LeRoy was a big fan of his.

Dancor

AgileMyth wrote: »

Pascal Millien and Joseph Ndo.

Joe has Cameroonian caps.

Oat23

I think he was joking lads..

GLaDOS

AgileMyth wrote: »

Pascal Millien and Joseph Ndo.

losthorizon wrote: »

Ndo is a Cameroonian international and has played in the world cup qualifiers and was at the 2002 WC. In many ways he has played in better international teams than any of the current Irish squad.

Hes not eligible any way.

Claude LeRoy was a big fan of his.

Dancor wrote: »

Joe has Cameroonian caps.

gustavo

Quigs

kitakyushu

On merit? Zero

That said tho I think there should be a few places reserved for younger LOI players (say u23) in order to try foster some sort of connection between the domestic game and the international team and also to give some experience to players who might theoretically offer the national side something in the long term. I'd defo be in favour or places for them.

My problem with this LOI notion however is generally when this question is asked the names that are offered are usually the very best in the league at that point rather than players with untapped potential. I think if you're over 25 and still playing in the LOI then that's almost certainly as good as you're gonna get. I can't think of any player over that age who got another crack cross-channel and made it anyway (maybe Paddy McCourt if you want to stretch that notion).

Paul Tergat

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Nobody who watches our league can tell me Andy Keogh should be in there ahead of a top LOI talent.

Mark Quigley > Andy Keogh

would the argument not be more that they agree that Keogh shouldnt be there but his replacement in the squad wouldnt come from the LOI?

TaosHum

Whatever about LOI lads getting a chance for the senior team, I do think the younger lads playing well and regularly for their clubs should be considered for the u21's.

Alot of the guys that are currently on the u21 panel are playing League 1/2 level. Lads like Kiernan Marty Walters, John Dunleavy, Chris Forrester would hardly be out of place.

GLaDOS

kitakyushu wrote: »

I can't think of any player over that age who got another crack cross-channel and made it anyway (maybe Paddy McCourt if you want to stretch that notion).

Keith Fahey?



Quigley has great talent, attitude can be a bit suspect though.

Chris Forrester might be one for the future.

Ronan Finn maybe as well.

Evan McMillan for when we need a goal

At the moment there's nobody from the LOI who I'd have for a competitive game, however for friendlies there's probably a couple who deserve a run out.

Vurnon San Benito

What about - AbsolutelyNoone McDonnell?

Oat23

ScienceNerd wrote: »

At the moment there's nobody from the LOI who I'd have for a competitive game, however for friendlies there's probably a couple who deserve a run out.

There are many LOI players good enough to play against the Faroe Islands and Kazakhstan.

Doocey wrote: »

What about - AbsolutelyNoone McDonnell?

Nooner declared for the north unfortunately.

GLaDOS

Oatesy23 wrote: »

There are many LOI players good enough to play against the Faroe Islands and Kazakhstan.

You play your strongest side in any competitive international game imo, which wouldn't include any LOI players. Maybe a run off the bench if the games killed off with a bit to go.

padd b1975

I think Ireland should try for the Olympics with a squad of LOI players.

BOHtox

No one at the moment to be honest. There's a few for the future definitely and there's a few I'm surprised haven't made it, mainly due to attitude reasons... Killian Brennan for example.

losthorizon

I'm a Cork City fan and I can honestly say there have been plenty of players playing for city who were good enough for Ireland down through the years.

Not here but on the City site I often mentioned Doyle and Long who were soon picked for Ireland with indecent haste as soon as they arrive in England. I mean they suddenly didnt massively improve overnight. The funny thing was off our three strikers at the time the best one was never picked for Ireland - John O'Flynn. The guy was immense. A true strikers ability. Great pace, really fast and would never miss the target when in the box. Injury in the end ruined his career but the injury bit we only know now when looking back.

He defo should have been picked.

Jack Charlton did pick Pat Byrne and stated at the time that he was at the level for international football. So was Dave Barry as well IMO especially when you saw him in action in UEFA competitions.


I think when you go to match on a regular basis you can pick out those really special players and it does show itself on european nights - thats why you often get chief scouts over on these nights as well.

Zebra3

There are none.

There are EPL regulars not being considered by Trap.

They need to be looked at, not LoI players.

How many LoI players are even full-time?

CSF

I think Ronan Finn has something to add, but I guess like Fahey we won't see that happen unless he gets a move abroad.

The notion that one can't be good enough playing in the LOI is rubbish, for 99.9 of the players that come through the league may not be good enough, but there have frequently been 1 or 2 players at a time, and gone straight to England and swiftly enough into the Ireland setup without changing too much to my mind.

token101

padd b1975 wrote: »

I think Ireland should try for the Olympics with a squad of LOI players.

We'd have to finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the under 21 Euros. Can't see a team exclusively comprised of LOI players doing that in a million years.

Augmerson

Who was the last LoI player to get a game with the national squad, Glen Crowe?

GLaDOS

Augmerson wrote: »

Who was the last LoI player to get a game with the national squad, Glen Crowe?

Jason Byrne.

Brian Murphy was called up to the Squad for the Playff against France, but didn't play obviously.

Zebra3

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Jason Byrne.

Was it not Joe Gamble?

GLaDOS

Zebra3 wrote: »

Was it not Joe Gamble?

Woops, yeah you're right

Pride Fighter

Zebra3 wrote: »

Was it not Joe Gamble?

That's a name I've not heard in ages. Was a quality player for Cork City.

What about David Forde? Was he capped when he was at Derry?

Captain Havoc

There's none at the minute. Although I think if the game here got sharper (more full-time and better coaching), there's players that do have the potential.

TheStook

Mark Quigley should be called up for friendlies at least, he's better than Andy Keogh.

Granted there are many players that aren't called up that are better than Andy Keogh but faith has to be put into our league, otherwise it will never ever develop properly.

Zebra3

TheStook wrote: »

Mark Quigley should be called up for friendlies at least, he's better than Andy Keogh.

No player from any club in any league should be called ino squads "just for friendlies".

Waste of time and players need to be there on merit.

Yurt

Marty Owens Sligo Rovers

losthorizon

PS for those who said NDO


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_B

Guy:Incognito

losthorizon wrote: »

PS for those who said NDO


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

Pay particular attention to the section entitled "Purpose"

kitakyushu

losthorizon wrote: »

PS for those who said NDO


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_B

"All right, his story checks out! " :mad:

Guy:Incognito

In fairness to Ndo though, he got a game ahead of Et'o in that WC.:)

losthorizon

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

That adds nothing for or against the argument. C'mon!

Augmerson

I tell you what, he is not Irish, but the Shamrock Rovers keeper Oscar Jansson has a lot of potential and could possibly get a call up for Sweden someday. I reckon he'd have to return to Scandinavia first though.

EDIT: Has 2 caps for Sweden U-21's but not since 2009....maybe not

applehunter

Augmerson wrote: »

I tell you what, he is not Irish, but the Shamrock Rovers keeper Oscar Jansson has a lot of potential and could possibly get a call up for Sweden someday. I reckon he'd have to return to Scandinavia first though.

EDIT: Has 2 caps for Sweden U-21's but not since 2009....maybe not

Hopefully he's in goal for Sweden when we play them.:pac:

Frankie Lee

Would Kevin Feely have the potential to make it seeing how he is being linked with a host of EPL clubs? He can't be any worse than McShane/ O'Dea.

NIMAN

I try to defend LoI as best I can, being a season ticket holder for many years, but you have to be honest and say, despite us thinking the current RoI team is rubbish, theres not anyone who stands out as good enough in LoI to get a cap at present.

International football is a higher level than most give credit for. No LoI player would have the fitness or sharpness to play at that level.

There are plenty of players who, if they got signed to a full time outfit in England, got proper training, conditioning and coaching would undoubtedly be worth considering. James McClean is the perfect example of this recently.

dfx-

If an average Pats side can beat Shakhtar Karagandy last year who are comprised of better players than those faced by Ireland recently, then there are games LOI players could play in.

Looking at some of the performances I've seen against the likes of Slovakia and Armenia recently, they couldn't do much worse. They'd lose 1-6 to Germany as well or at least give it as good a go as those playing on Friday did.

BOHtox

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Would Kevin Feely have the potential to make it seeing how he is being linked with a host of EPL clubs? He can't be any worse than McShane/ O'Dea.

Evan McMillan is a better all round player imo... although Feely is only 19.

In the not too distant past you'd have been looking at
Brian Murhpy
Owen Heary (shocked he never got a call up tbh)
Seamus Coleman
Keith Fahey etc

Corholio

Ronan Finn was the best player I've seen at the Cross this season. Was superb against us few weeks back and completely controlled the game. Seems to have had a great season too and has terrific technique that would easily make the step up in that category.

AgileMyth

Augmerson wrote: »

I tell you what, he is not Irish, but the Shamrock Rovers keeper Oscar Jansson has a lot of potential and could possibly get a call up for Sweden someday. I reckon he'd have to return to Scandinavia first though.

EDIT: Has 2 caps for Sweden U-21's but not since 2009....maybe not

Apart from the fact hes absolutely ****e. Genuinely one of the worst keepers to play in the league.

Hes young and used to play for Spurs so that'll be enough to get him signed up for Shamrock next season hopefully.

G.K.

Not being Irish, I'm afraid the only LOI player I know is Joe Gamble - is he about any more?

Pride Fighter

G.K. wrote: »

Not being Irish, I'm afraid the only LOI player I know is Joe Gamble - is he about any more?

Still in the LOI with Limerick.

AgileMyth

losthorizon wrote: »

Ndo is a Cameroonian international and has played in the world cup qualifiers and was at the 2002 WC. In many ways he has played in better international teams than any of the current Irish squad.

Hes not eligible any way.

Claude LeRoy was a big fan of his.

Turns out Pascal has caps for Haiti too. Also Joey is 36 years old. Maybe I shouldn't pick the team.

Stevecw

Ronan Finn is the only maybe...but even at taht I doubt he is better than what lge 1 has to offer!!