Spurs v Chelsea

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

I'm sorry for being ignorant here, but anyone blaming AVB after yesterday is a total fcukin eijit, and really hasn't the slightest clue. We're not going to win every game, and if AVB gets the blame for all those games we don't win, what hope has he at succeeding with us?

We were missing our 2 best players yesterday, and imo, if it wasn't for Walker we would have at least gotten a point. This is the second big game this season he has been absolutely dire. At Old Trafford we won despite him trying his best to lose it for us, and, well, yesterday he nearly as bad. Mata got so much joy off him, the difference between attacks down their left and right was incredible, Vert really is a cracking player altogether.

Saab Ed

THFC wrote: »

I'm sorry for being ignorant here, but anyone blaming AVB after yesterday is a total fcukin eijit, and really hasn't the slightest clue.

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I thought it was AVBs fault. I dont talk in here anymore because of sh!te like this. Full of arrogant , like minded and protected sorts ( i.e mods -the irony of that word in this forum) from normal forum rules because its a buddy forum and not a real Spurs form.

I'm off which i'm sure will please every body. No more ruffling your little feathers with an opinion that differs from your other mates on the bar stool.

Good luck to the other free mnded in here, you havent got a hope.

Emoran

Saab Ed wrote: »

I thought it was AVBs fault. I dont talk in here anymore because of sh!te like this. Full of arrogant , like minded and protected sorts ( i.e mods -the irony of that word in this forum) from normal forum rules because its a buddy forum and not a real Spurs form.

I'm off which i'm sure will please every body. No more ruffling your little feathers with an opinion that differs from your other mates on the bar stool.

Good luck to the other free mnded in here, you havent got a hope.

Before you leave in a big huff and start slagging people off answer this

What would you have done differently to win the match ?

Answer that and your more then welcome to pick up your toys enter back into your pram and close the door behind you

mickman

Saab - what could avb have done yesterday except for maybe denying bales chance to be present at the birth of his first child

Chelsea are Defo top 3 this season and likely top two. We were missing 4 certain starters and they were missing one

Honestly , tell me what he could have done differently

KingdomYid

My gripes with yesterdays selection are:

1. Adebayor has to start, granted Defoe scored a great goal and worked his socks off but Ade will hold the ball up and bring others into play. Why not play both? could work a treat.

2. Gallas should not be on this team, never mind captaining it. The guy cost us two goals.

My other gripe is with the sale of VdV and the effect it is having on the team, neither Siggy or Dempsey are fit to lace his boots.

That is all.

SuprSi

Saab Ed wrote: »

I thought it was AVBs fault. I dont talk in here anymore because of sh!te like this. Full of arrogant , like minded and protected sorts ( i.e mods -the irony of that word in this forum) from normal forum rules because its a buddy forum and not a real Spurs form.

I'm off which i'm sure will please every body. No more ruffling your little feathers with an opinion that differs from your other mates on the bar stool.

Good luck to the other free mnded in here, you havent got a hope.

Ed, it's not that we're arrogant or protected sorts, it's that you only ever come in here when things aren't going well, or when there's been a bad result. You never, ever have anything positive to say and it gets boring. Yes, the team hasn't really played well for most of the season, yes there are still problems in defence and yes in hindsight things could've been done differently yesterday. But mickman is spot on, and despite missing potentially 2 of our best players this season we almost did it, except for some very poor individual performances from Walker, Gallas and Dempsey. We needed to be absolutely on top of our game, with all of our players fit and available - this didn't happen.

Outside of the individual performances to aluded to above, if Gylfi & Defoe had not hit the ball straight at the keeper every single time things could've been different as let's face it, outside of the 4 goals Chelsea scored they didn't have that many other chances (7 on target v 16 for us). They have better players and were far more clinical than us, it's that simple.

MrKingsley

As said above ED what would you have done differently? Just by looking at the bench shows you how many options AVB had.

And i realise this is a horribly 'arrogant' view of mine but I couldnt give a toss what you think about AVB. Of course you are completely entitled to criticize mistakes he might make, as with every spurs/football fan.

However heres the difference for me. Youve never given him a chance and every criticism youve made of him has just been a ready made generic statement that youve spent working on since the day he was hired. If you were able to back up anything youve said about AVB with anything close to a fact i would happily read your posts on here. However as it turns out id rather bang my head against a wall

mickman

Kingdom - I think we can safely say that it was levys decision to sell vdv , I would imagine that avb said ' we can let him go if we get mouthino in '. That didn't happen as we all know so we are left short

I don't agree with Gallas being played either even though he was excellent at d Trafford

It was a very good second half performance , ahead of arsenal and 4th looks on for us ! Chin up everyone

Hatch99

Oh where to start :rolleyes:
The Match - Obviously Bale & Dembele are going to be missed. In order for us to compete with the top teams in the league, we need a full strength side, whether we like that or not. City and Chelsea can manage when they have a couple missing, we can't.
In saying that, I wouldn't use that as an excuse, we were poor.I'd have played Townsend as DubP mentioned, but sure we all have opinions. We gave the ball away countless times, and our central midfield duo had serious off days.
They started very well I thought, and really kept our crowd quiet.
Some of the goals we gave away were terrible from a defensive perspective, but I have to say, I thought they were brilliant going forward. The trio of Mata, Hazard and Oscar were so sharp, comfortable on the ball and looked awesome at times. In fairness, they cost serious dollars, and that's what I'd expect for such money. I really don't like them, that's twice I have seen them tear us apart this year, hard to take, but that's football.

As for us,
Brad, time for Lloris to be made the No 1 so we can move on from the debate
Walker, sloppy again
Gallas, Poor
Caulker, gem in the makings
Vert, excellent, not a full back though
Hudd, very sloppy
Sandro, poor
Lennon, flitted in and out, looked dangerous at times, not enough times though
Sig, kept running away from vert instead of showing for the ball, frustrating
Dempsey, poor
Defoe, worked hard, another goal, should have rolled vert in 1st half, selfish as always

When we went 2-1 up, it's easy to say we should have been stronger and been a little more cute etc, but with the 3 they had in that form, they were always going to create chances.

Overall, very disappointing to be stuffed by them again, but we gotta take the highs with the lows and bounce back with 6 points against Southampton and Wigan.

As for AVB, well you all know where i stand on him.

2 other things, 1) I know some of the players can break our hearts at times, my own included, but please please criticise in a decent manner rather than abusive stuff like calling our own lads cu*ts and knac*ers, cheers.

And 2) the stuff been said by 1 or 2 fellas about this forum being this or that, and your not allowed have an opinion different to mods etc, pull the other one. Maybe I'm worse for biting, but what is that all about ? I have my opinion like everyone else, some of you agree, and others (probably the majority) disagree, and that's fine. We are all entitled to have our say. I love the banter, fellas having a constructive go at others, because they don't like what they say, but the snide little remarks is a load of......

It's a spurs forum, for spurs fans, and we all crave the same thing, so let's leave it at that.

COYS

Leinstersqspur

From my point of view, block 19, our heads dropped when the teamsheets were read out. No GB and Dembele meant we had little chance of winning this game. We gave it a good go though and Walker could have been a hero with that shot right before he fluffed his lines.

In Dembele's absence Thudd was tasked with collecting the ball from the centre half, driving forward and spreading the play. He wasn't up to the job in the first half, maybe nerves. He did however step it up in the second.

Sigurdsson (central) & Dempsey (left) were AWOL in the first half too but AVB switched them and it had a positive effect. Dempsey isn't a winger, he wants to play off the striker.

Unfortunately, playing Defoe as a lone striker doesn't work, granted he's scoring goals for us but he offers little to the team in terms of linking/holding up play and forces us to sit deeper. In the absence of two of our best players we could have played two strikers but that may have left us too open.

We've had to persist with Gallas because Kaboul and the two fullbacks have been missing. There is little AVB can do about this at the moment except start Naughton in the next game (hopefully at LB, Walker needs to start too or his confidence will crumble).

For me Lloris needs to be given the No.1 shirt. Friedel has been great for us but Lloris is quicker and smarter both defensively and counter-attacking.

Chelsea have an embarrassment of riches and I won't surprised if they win the league, particularly if they sign Falcao in January.

It was a shame to lose such a good game of football but c'est la vie...


PS. Saab Ed, I don't know any of the posters/mods on here but debate is always encouraged. You started the thread 'AVBs clueless' when there was a perfectly good thread 'Our new manager, good luck'. Obviously we're all entitled to our opinions but negativity is usually met with a similar response. Not having a go just guessing why you're getting a bit of stick.

COYS

yiddo59

KingdomYid wrote: »

My gripes with yesterdays selection are:

1. Adebayor has to start, granted Defoe scored a great goal and worked his socks off but Ade will hold the ball up and bring others into play. Why not play both? could work a treat.

2. Gallas should not be on this team, never mind captaining it. The guy cost us two goals.

My other gripe is with the sale of VdV and the effect it is having on the team, neither Siggy or Dempsey are fit to lace his boots.

That is all.

I agree with all of the above. Still think we'll play worse this season and win.

Hatch99

yiddo59 wrote: »

I agree with all of the above. Still think we'll play worse this season and win.

I agree on the 442 shout, without the 2 lads, I'd have just gone for it and tried to get them on the back foot as much as we could, Lennon on the right, Townsend on the left (we had no balance at all), defoe and Adebayor up top.

In fairness to Gallas, before yesterday he had done ok, but once we have more defensive options, he will be left out with Caulker and Vert taking the central spots, before Kaboul is back to compete with them.

As for VDV, water under the bridge, I said at the time that if we were offered that type of money, I'd sell him and I haven't changed my mind.

mickman

Hatch - I would call one of our players a kn***er for playing poorly but the way he blasted the ball off mata with the intention to hurt was bad form

mickman

Meant I would " never " call a player a name for playing badly

Hatch99

mickman wrote: »

Meant I would " never " call a player a name for playing badly

Mick, I kinda see where your coming from, but I have seen fellas doing worse than that in Spurs jerseys over the last few years. It's all in the heat of the moment, I have done things on a pitch I probably shouldn't have while playing(much lower level I know) that I have thought was stupid afterwards.

On a side note, I think the abuse the likes of walker and livermore get on here is crazy, they are spurs players, and we should be supporting them, not bad mouthing them and calling them all sorts. (not directed at you mate)

franktheplank

I only saw the highlights but i think the Chelsea match showed the lack of depth in the squad. Thudd looks well off the player he was a few seasons back so we have very little cover for the Dembele/Modric role. Likewise i don't think Sigg or dempsey can reasonably be expected to play left wing against Chelsea (or right wing for that matter) so we also have very little cover on the wings. A couple of injuries in defense and we can be taken apart quite easily by a top side.

Are we ever gonna push for the league without investment/new stadium? I don't think it's beyond possible but we need a good run without injuries and a top manager. Is AVB a top manager? Juries still out, we're eight games into the league and it's been a mixed bag. Definitely enough to suggest that he gets a chance though.

yiddo59

Hatch99 wrote: »

On a side note, I think the abuse the likes of walker and livermore get on here is crazy, they are spurs players, and we should be supporting them, not bad mouthing them and calling them all sorts. (not directed at you mate)

No problem with what anyone writes about any player on here but it really bugs me at games when players get stick from their own supposed supporters. I dont mind bollocking a lad in the heat of the moment but for years some players at Spurs have been subjected to premeditated abuse sometimes even before a ball had been kicked.

franktheplank wrote: »

I only saw the highlights but i think the Chelsea match showed the lack of depth in the squad. Thudd looks well off the player he was a few seasons back so we have very little cover for the Dembele/Modric role. Likewise i don't think Sigg or dempsey can reasonably be expected to play left wing against Chelsea (or right wing for that matter) so we also have very little cover on the wings. A couple of injuries in defense and we can be taken apart quite easily by a top side.

Are we ever gonna push for the league without investment/new stadium? I don't think it's beyond possible but we need a good run without injuries and a top manager. Is AVB a top manager? Juries still out, we're eight games into the league and it's been a mixed bag. Definitely enough to suggest that he gets a chance though.

No. Levy out rich Russian / Arabs in

franktheplank

yiddo59 wrote: »

No. Levy out rich Russian / Arabs in

I probably wouldn't be happy then either :rolleyes: I don't like the idea of us becoming another chelski or manchester spit city.

But we could do with some more income in from a new stadium. I'd love to see the financial fair play rules even things out a little but i think these uber rich clubs are just going to find loopholes.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Saab Ed wrote: »

I thought it was AVBs fault. I dont talk in here anymore because of sh!te like this. Full of arrogant , like minded and protected sorts ( i.e mods -the irony of that word in this forum) from normal forum rules because its a buddy forum and not a real Spurs form.

I'm off which i'm sure will please every body. No more ruffling your little feathers with an opinion that differs from your other mates on the bar stool.

Good luck to the other free mnded in here, you havent got a hope.

Pfft, free minded? You must be totally off your game. You're the one who's never had the decency to give AVB a chance, instead you've always finded something negative to say about him or his methods, regardless of the result of performance. Good riddance imo.

Ormus

It woulda been great to get a result against Chelsea for the sake of AVB.

Walker and Gallas were both very poor. Walker has been poor all season, maybe he started to think he was the finished article. He must notice now that he has a lotta hard work left to do. I don't think Gallas should be dropped yet, his experience is crucial.

We were missing our 2 driving forces Bale and Dembele. It hurt us bad.

I think people remember VdV with rose tinted glasses. He was a quality player but he was anonymous for months of last season and his lack of fitness/pace used to make him a complete passenger when he didn't have his shooting boots on. Siggy and Dempsey were phenomenal last season and were good signings. So far neither of them has hit form but it hasn't been that long. They will come good.

On the subject of this forum, I've disagreed with most people on here at one time or another, but that's kinda what a forum is all about and it's always done in good spirit. Some Spurs fans are positive, some are negative, most are balanced, c'est la vie.

golfball37

Dempsey plain and simple would not get into any serious team with any serious ambitions. He has no first touch or football brain. He looked like a complete plodder on Saturday.

I flagged Sigurdson up during the summer in that I was wondering how come he never made it with a mid table German side, now I know why. He is very average. He is still better than Dempsey and I'd keep him as a squad player but VDV had more ability in his bad foot than the 2 boys put together.

Having said all that, we played well in patches in the 2nd half and showed good endevour.. I blame Gallas for the 1st 3 goals myself, YK cannot come back quick enough. Wlaker is no suproise to me as I never rated him, even if he was good last season I knew he hadn't got it. If he was foreign there'd be nothing said about him, but because he is English anything good he does is overblown.

Its worrying that we lacked creativity without the 2 boys but any team would miss these players. Overall I'm still hopeful of a top 4 finish, the squad we have should not be aiming any lower.

KingdomYid

Ormus wrote: »

It woulda been great to get a result against Chelsea for the sake of AVB.

Walker and Gallas were both very poor. Walker has been poor all season, maybe he started to think he was the finished article. He must notice now that he has a lotta hard work left to do. I don't think Gallas should be dropped yet, his experience is crucial.

We were missing our 2 driving forces Bale and Dembele. It hurt us bad.

I think people remember VdV with rose tinted glasses. He was a quality player but he was anonymous for months of last season and his lack of fitness/pace used to make him a complete passenger when he didn't have his shooting boots on. Siggy and Dempsey were phenomenal last season and were good signings. So far neither of them has hit form but it hasn't been that long. They will come good.

On the subject of this forum, I've disagreed with most people on here at one time or another, but that's kinda what a forum is all about and it's always done in good spirit. Some Spurs fans are positive, some are negative, most are balanced, c'est la vie.

First and foremost it would have been nice to beat Chelsea for the sake of Tottenham Hotspur Fc, this is not the AVB show afterall.

Secondly Gallas did not show much experience on Saturday with two weak clearances which cost us goals, give me Mickey Dawson any day of the week.

Yes I agree the loss of Bale and Dembele really hurt us.

Ormus

KingdomYid wrote: »

First and foremost it would have been nice to beat Chelsea for the sake of Tottenham Hotspur Fc, this is not the AVB show afterall.

Secondly Gallas did not show much experience on Saturday with two weak clearances which cost us goals, give me Mickey Dawson any day of the week.

Yes I agree the loss of Bale and Dembele really hurt us.

What I meant was that a result against Chelsea, apart from the obvious benefits, would have had the added benefit of answering some of AVB's critics, giving him a bit more confidence, getting the press off his back, vindicating Levy appointing him, and winning over some fans. All of this would be good for Tottenham Hotspur FC I think you might agree?

Gallas was poor on Saturday and he will have other poor days this season. The cracks are starting to show with his age. But he is crucial for his organising abilities. Vertonghen has said that he treats him like a little brother and he wouldn't have settled at the Lane as easily without him. I reckon Caulker would say the same. I love Dawson and I think he wouldn't have played as badly on Saturday, but he would be a disaster playing a high line. Kaboul is the man we need to replace Gallas.

yiddo59

Ormus wrote: »

I think people remember VdV with rose tinted glasses. He was a quality player but he was anonymous for months of last season and his lack of fitness/pace used to make him a complete passenger when he didn't have his shooting boots on. Siggy and Dempsey were phenomenal last season and were good signings. So far neither of them has hit form but it hasn't been that long. They will come good. .

Even on their best days neither of them would lace VDV's boots

Ormus

yiddo59 wrote: »

Even on their best days neither of them would lace VDV's boots

In my opinion VdV wasn't fit to lace their boots for most of last season.

yiddo59

Ormus wrote: »

In my opinion VdV wasn't fit to lace their boots for most of last season.

difference was VDV was playing with a top 4 side and the 2 lads were playing with average teams. Demspey a good option off the bench but dont see the other lad as an upgrade on even the likes of Krankjar.

mickman

yeah dempsey is no better than niko. he is really slow and he had a very bad touch on saturday.

I reckon he will come good alright - not great, but good.

Leinstersqspur

Ormus wrote: »

I reckon Caulker would say the same.

You're right, and he has! He’s obviously a very experienced centre-half,” said Caulker. “There are about 15 years between us so he talks me through the games and before the games he settles my nerves as well, so he’s a great person to play alongside.”

On the Dempsey criticism I'm reserving judgement because his lack of a fitness and preseason cannot have helped. I agree with most that the form both Siggy and Dempsey is a worry but I'm not condemning either until they play off Adebayor for 90mins (Vdv had the luxury of the big man to paly off for most of the season).

Both Friedel and Gallas should be on the bench. Lloris comes off his line. Brad is usually rooted which gives the opposition a lot of space in behind centre halves for strikers to run into. Kaboul is out until Christmas so for me Naughton should be back in for the next game and Vertz to take on the captaincy.

Ormus

yiddo59 wrote: »

difference was VDV was playing with a top 4 side and the 2 lads were playing with average teams. Demspey a good option off the bench but dont see the other lad as an upgrade on even the likes of Krankjar.

Playing for a top 4 side does not make it ok to go missing so often in games. VdV had some nice touches and scored some great goals for us, but we are a much better team without him.

DubPerryman

Ormus wrote: »

Kaboul is the man we need to replace Gallas.

Not necessarily. I may be splitting hairs but Vertonghen will replace Gallas - as the leader and organiser at the back. Caulker and Kaboul will fight it out to play alongside Vertonghen.

I think I mentioned before the season started that Gallas will start centre back alongside Vertonghen. People that Kaboul should have started, but I think his injury was a blessing in disguise, as it allowed Vertonghen to learn from Gallas before taking on the mantle - it's only a pity that BAE's and Naughton's injury came shortly after, pushing Vertz out to the left.

In a full strength team you may see this as the back four -

Kaboul -Caulker - Vertonghen - BAE

Pace and strength throughout. Hopefully AVB won't stand for Walker's errors and will see Kaboul as competition. If that back four had time to gel, over a couple of years it could become very very good.

Ormus

mickman wrote: »

yeah dempsey is no better than niko. he is really slow and he had a very bad touch on saturday.

I reckon he will come good alright - not great, but good.

Niko was a better passer than Dempsey but Dempsey is a better goal scorer, better in the air, better tackler, far far better work rate, and easily as fast as Niko.

I'm not saying he will ever be great, but he will be good.

Ormus

DubPerryman wrote: »

Not necessarily. I may be splitting hairs but Vertonghen will replace Gallas - as the leader and organiser at the back. Caulker and Kaboul will fight it out to play alongside Vertonghen.

I think I mentioned before the season started that Gallas will start centre back alongside Vertonghen. People that Kaboul should have started, but I think his injury was a blessing in disguise, as it allowed Vertonghen to learn from Gallas before taking on the mantle - it's only a pity that BAE's and Naughton's injury came shortly after, pushing Vertz out to the left.

In a full strength team you may see this as the back four -

Kaboul -Caulker - Vertonghen - BAE

Pace and strength throughout. Hopefully AVB won't stand for Walker's errors and will see Kaboul as competition. If that back four had time to gel, over a couple of years it could become very very good.

Maybe you're right, maybe AVB will see Kaboul as an option at right back. I hope he chooses to persevere with Walker though. He is a great athlete and a natural attacking full back. A good manager would be able to teach him how to be a good defender with time. Kaboul is a natural centre half who is capable of doing a job at full back, but will never be as effective going forward.

DubPerryman

Ormus wrote: »

Kaboul is a natural centre half who is capable of doing a job at full back, but will never be as effective going forward.

I agree with this, but I'd like to see Kaboul developed as competition for Walker. Making him a valuable option at RB or CB.

The thing is Walker isn't a great defender, but when we're playing games where we have most the possession (probably 85% of our matches), that won't matter as. For games against the likes of Chelsea and United, I'd like to see Kaboul playing right back.

Walker is not a good option as a full-back when he is faced with off ball runs and passing from the likes of Mata and Hazard.

Ormus

DubPerryman wrote: »

I agree with this, but I'd like to see Kaboul developed as competition for Walker. Making him a valuable option at RB or CB.

The thing is Walker isn't a great defender, but when we're playing games where we have most the possession (probably 85% of our matches), that won't matter as. For games against the likes of Chelsea and United, I'd like to see Kaboul playing right back.

Walker is not a good option as a full-back when he is faced with off ball runs and passing from the likes of Mata and Hazard.

That's true yeah, I think it can be learned though. Hopefully he listens to what Gary Neville tells him when he is with the England squad. If he stays in that squad long enough.

Leinstersqspur

Let us not forget it was Kaboul's run & cross playing in the RB position that created the opportunity for Crouch to fire us into the CL for the first time! In the absence of Corluka he linked up very well with Azza toward the end of that season. It's a nice option to have.

yiddo59

Ormus wrote: »

Playing for a top 4 side does not make it ok to go missing so often in games. VdV had some nice touches and scored some great goals for us, but we are a much better team without him.

We'll see in May if we are!

mickman

we are not a much better team without vdv - thats for sure

Ormus

Fair enough, it's only my opinion. I think people tend to remember only the good times.

I remember him going missing in big games and barely even noticed him for about 5 months in the middle of last season. He was too slow to play the fast attacking football which suits Spurs, games passed him by a lot of the time.

He was a good finisher and scored his fair share of goals, but I think Dempsey/Siggy will get more once they settle.

yiddo59

Ormus wrote: »

Fair enough, it's only my opinion. I think people tend to remember only the good times.

I remember him going missing in big games and barely even noticed him for about 5 months in the middle of last season. He was too slow to play the fast attacking football which suits Spurs, games passed him by a lot of the time.

He was a good finisher and scored his fair share of goals, but I think Dempsey/Siggy will get more once they settle.

Hope you're right but can't see it happening at all. VDV according to wiki 24 goals in 63 games wheras Demspsey got 50 in 184 for Fulham so a big leap for him to match VDVs strike rate especially as he's not likely to be a regular starter.

All about opinions though as you said.

Ormus

yiddo59 wrote: »

Hope you're right but can't see it happening at all. VDV according to wiki 24 goals in 63 games wheras Demspsey got 50 in 184 for Fulham so a big leap for him to match VDVs strike rate especially as he's not likely to be a regular starter.

All about opinions though as you said.

True, but if you look at it another way, Dempsey settled slowly but surely in England, scoring more every season, and in the last 2 seasons he has got 36 in 88 games, compared to VdV getting 27 in 76.

yiddo59

Ormus wrote: »

True, but if you look at it another way, Dempsey settled slowly but surely in England, scoring more every season, and in the last 2 seasons he has got 36 in 88 games, compared to VdV getting 27 in 76.

Still wouldn't lace VDV's boots for me

mickman

Ormus wrote: »

True, but if you look at it another way, Dempsey settled slowly but surely in England, scoring more every season, and in the last 2 seasons he has got 36 in 88 games, compared to VdV getting 27 in 76.

i would say that vdv has had a lot more assists than dempsey

Ormus

mickman wrote: »

i would say that vdv has had a lot more assists than dempsey

Well Spurs get a lot more goals than Fulham so I'd be surprised if he didn't. Dempsey got 7 in the league last season, very respectable.

golfball37

Goals are only a by product. Dempsey cannot control a football and has no pace.

Any comparisons with VdV are frankly an insult.:mad:

Ormus

yiddo59 wrote: »

Still wouldn't lace VDV's boots for me

Haha, ok well if outperforming him on the pitch isn't enough, maybe Rafa will have to just lace his own boots.

Ormus

golfball37 wrote: »

Goals are only a by product. Dempsey cannot control a football and has no pace.

Any comparisons with VdV are frankly an insult.:mad:

Goals are fairly important in football.

You don't score 23 goals in a Premiership season without being able to control a ball.

Dempsey is not quick but he would beat Rafa even with his feet tied together.

mushykeogh

mickman wrote: »

we are not a much better team without vdv - thats for sure

You've changed your tune on VDV, werent you wanting him sold last season?!

yiddo59

Ormus wrote: »

Haha, ok well if outperforming him on the pitch isn't enough, maybe Rafa will have to just lace his own boots.

Dempsey outperforming VDV on the pitch? If he does for Spurs I'll be a happy man but can't see it happenning. As Bill would say I'll leave it there

Back on topic I think we'll play worse games than we did on Saturday and win. Saturday was a setback but not the end of the world by a long way onwards and upwards.

mickman

mushykeogh wrote: »

You've changed your tune on VDV, werent you wanting him sold last season?!

sold if we replaced him properly - not with clint dempsey

Ormus

mickman wrote: »

sold if we replaced him properly - not with clint dempsey

Who would you have signed?