50 shades of grey. No shame!

otto_26

smash wrote: »

The difference is that without looking over her shoulder to actually read the words, there's nothing offensive or rude about it.

But the child knows her mum is reading porn in public and in front of her. My opinion is her mum should have a bit of tact!

Ellis Dee

That silly book is just a pale shadow of real porn, rather like a soother for women to put in their mouth while they are dreaming of and longing for the real thing ---

eviltwin

otto_26 wrote: »

Someone reading playboy in public that doesn't want someone to see what they are reading!

/QUOTE]

That't their issue, obviously this woman is happy to be seen with the book because she doesn't think she's doing anything wrong or that it is anything to feel embarrassed about.

pom pom snaz peeler

let it lie Otto...... next time ur in the pool bring playboy and see if anyone notices.

D-FENS

Ellis Dee wrote: »

rather like a soother for women to put in their mouth while they are dreaming of and longing for the real thing

A lactating nipple?

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

Would you read a novel which had some erotic elements in it in public?

Yes course I would. My point is it's not the content that's the issue, it's the tact of some people, I wouldn't read playboy in public not because I'm not entitled to or because of the content or because im embarrassed too, its because I have more tact about me than to read porn in public and in front of children.

Reading a novel with some erotic elements is not the same as reading a world known porn mag like playboy or a world known porn book!

In this situation having tact is about doing things so your child is innocent to it.

Gee_G

I've read the first two books and I really wouldn't class them as porn! I probably wouldn't have brought them out to read wHile having coffee etc but it has obviously taken the world by storm and I don't see the problem with other people doing so!
Maybe it's just me

eviltwin

otto_26 wrote: »

Yes course I would. My point is it's not the content that's the issue, it's the tact of some people, I wouldn't read playboy in public not because I'm not entitled to or because of the content or because im embarrassed too, its because I have more tact about me than to read porn in public and in front of children.

Reading a novel with some erotic elements is not the same as reading a world known porn mag like playboy or a world known porn book!

In this situation having tact is about doing things so your child is innocent to it.

Its not a porn book. Its a novel with sexual scenes.

pom pom snaz peeler

otto_26 wrote: »

Yes course I would. My point is it's not the content that's the issue, it's the tact of some people, I wouldn't read playboy in public not because I'm not entitled to or because of the content or because im embarrassed too, its because I have more tact about me than to read porn in public and in front of children.

Reading a novel with some erotic elements is not the same as reading a world known porn mag like playboy or a world known porn book!

In this situation having tact is about doing things so your child is innocent to it.

Its not your daughter so dont worry ur little ass, ok..... im sure you have more important things to be concerned with like how your going to clean ur toilet after that Indian Curry!

otto_26

pom pom snaz peeler wrote: »

let it lie Otto...... next time ur in the pool bring playboy and see if anyone notices.

Might as well give it a shot!!

Could you imagine taking a sit next to a women reading 50 shades of grey at the pool smile and say hello them pull out a playboy to read! interesting to see if she would have a problem!!

pom pom snaz peeler

otto_26 wrote: »

Might as well give it a shot!!

Could you imagine taking a sit next to a women reading 50 shades of grey at the pool smile and say hello them pull out a playboy to read! interesting to see if she would have a problem!!

certainly worth a try.... but im sure they would report you!:mad:

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

Reading a novel with some erotic elements is not the same as reading a world known porn mag like playboy or a world known porn book!

Can you set out the differences between a novel with erotic elements and a porn book? Does Joyce's Ulysses fall in the first category or the second? What about a Jackie Collins book? A Mills and Boon book? J.K. Rowling's latest book?

otto_26

pom pom snaz peeler wrote: »

Its not your daughter so dont worry ur little ass, ok..... im sure you have more important things to be concerned with like how your going to clean ur toilet after that Indian Curry!

I'm not worried at all!! like I said she's more than entitled to do what she wants with her own child just found it a bit cringe!

eviltwin

28064212 wrote: »

Can you set out the differences between a novel with erotic elements and a porn book? Does Joyce's Ulysses fall in the first category or the second? What about a Jackie Collins book? A Mills and Boon book? J.K. Rowling's latest book?

I'm reading a Jackie Collins at the moment, far more sex than 50 shades and written in much cruder terms as well but funny people don't seem to find that as offensive.

pom pom snaz peeler

ahhhhhhhh, right...... cringe away sucker as Mr T would say!

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

Can you set out the differences between a novel with erotic elements and a porn book? Does Joyce's Ulysses fall in the first category or the second? What about a Jackie Collins book? A Mills and Boon book? J.K. Rowling's latest book?

It's about having no tact and reading porn in front of your child that knows your reading porn.

pom pom snaz peeler

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm reading a Jackie Collins at the moment, far more sex than 50 shades and written in much cruder terms as well but funny people don't seem to find that as offensive.

Jackie Collins, is she Phil's mother?

otto_26

pom pom snaz peeler wrote: »

ahhhhhhhh, right...... cringe away sucker as Mr T would say!

Great point!

I will!

otto_26

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm reading a Jackie Collins at the moment, far more sex than 50 shades and written in much cruder terms as well but funny people don't seem to find that as offensive.

I was reading playboy the other day with the front covered, funny people didn't seem to find that as offensive.

smash

28064212 wrote: »

Can you set out the differences between a novel with erotic elements and a porn book?

Erotica consists of the portrayal of sexuality with high-art aspirations, focusing on feelings and emotions, while pornography involves the depiction of acts in a sensational manner, with the entire focus on the physical act.

From wikipedia...

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

It's about having no tact and reading porn in front of your child that knows your reading porn.

I don't know which one's my child considers to be porn, I'd have to prepare a quiz. Will I give them a list, and they can place a line through which ones they consider to be porn? Can you provide a list of "potential" porn novels to get me started?

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

I don't know which one's my child considers to be porn, I'd have to prepare a quiz. Will I give them a list, and they can place a line through which ones they consider to be porn? Can you provide a list of "potential" porn novels to get me started?

Nope as a parent you should have the tact to know which one your child would consider to be porn.

And the tact in the first place not to read it in front of your child.

But that's just my opinion everyone to their own.

eviltwin

otto_26 wrote: »

I was reading playboy the other day with the front covered, funny people didn't seem to find that as offensive.

I hope you weren't reading it in front of your kids :eek:

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

Nope as a parent you should have the tact to know which one your child would consider to be porn.

And you know that the child in question in the OP considers FSoG to be porn?

otto_26

eviltwin wrote: »

I hope you weren't reading it in front of your kids :eek:

come on you know I've got tact!;)

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

And you know that the child in question in the OP considers FSoG to be porn?

You really believe a 15 year old girl doesn't know about 50 shades or grey!

Really!!!

eviltwin

otto_26 wrote: »

You really believe a 15 year old girl doesn't know about 50 shades or grey!

Really!!!

How old was the child with the woman in question?

Boskowski

Just for your information.
Playboy is not a porn mag.
Playboy is a titty mag with a questionable lifestyle aspect.
Porn is explicit. Graphic. Like full on blown up genitals. Train enters tunnel stuff.
Playboy is like a men's interest magazine plus a few pics ala nudies climbing out of a bathtub stuff. No vaginas and no men in sight. Mostly it's interviews with footballers or reviewing that new super car nobody who's reading will ever come near in their lifetime. Playboy is selling illusions to men. Bit like the gossip mags for ladies.

Not that I care about these definitions much. But I do want to make the point cos i think there would be a difference between reading the playboy and 'reading' a full on porn mag in public.

The very fact that you describe playboy as porn shows me maybe you're views are a little nineteen fifties here?

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

You really believe a 15 year old girl doesn't know about 50 shades or grey!

Really!!!

Never suggested anything of the sort. I asked you if the 15 year-old in question considers FSoG to be porn?

smash

otto_26 wrote: »

You really believe a 15 year old girl doesn't know about 50 shades or grey!

Really!!!

Honestly... Obviously the 15yr old doesn't give a fcuk.

She's probably too busy trying to figure out how many people finger banged her last Friday night after she downed a naggin of vodka while out knacker drinking.

otto_26

Boskowski wrote: »

Just for your information.
Playboy is not a porn mag.
Playboy is a titty mag with a questionable lifestyle aspect.
Porn is explicit. Graphic Like full on blown up genitals. Train enters tunnel stuff.
Playboy is like men's magazine plus a few pics ala nudies climbing out of a bathtub stuff. No vaginas and no men in sight.

Not that I care about these definitions much. But I do want to make the point cos i think there would be a difference between reading the playboy and 'reading' a full on porn mag in public.

The very fact that you describe playboy as porn shows me maybe you're views are a little nineteen fifties here?

No not at all.

I used playboy as an example because like you said it's a titty mag.

otto_26

smash wrote: »

Honestly... Obviously the 15yr old doesn't give a fcuk.

She's probably too busy trying to figure out how many people finger banged her last Friday night after she downed a naggin of vodka while out knacker drinking.

HA HA I don't think she gave a fcuk either, just made the point the mother could have a bit more tact.

the_monkey

I like the books to be honest - not to read, but I find they are a fantastic visual indicator to the stupidity of the reader.

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

Never suggested anything of the sort. I asked you if the 15 year-old in question considers FSoG to be porn?

O excuse me then yes she has heard of FSoG and what it contains.

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

O excuse me then yes she has heard of FSoG and what it contains.

Still didn't answer the question. I asked you if the 15 year-old in question considers FSoG to be porn?

eviltwin

Otto have you read 50 Shades yourself or have you any first hand knowledge of its content beyond the sensationalist crap in the media?

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

Still didn't answer the question. I asked you if the 15 year-old in question considers FSoG to be porn?

Yes I did. I said yes she has heard of the book and what the contents of the book are about?

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

Yes I did. I said yes she has heard of the book and what the contents of the book are about?

*Sigh* You know that the 15 year-old considers it to be porn, and doesn't consider it to be erotica, or a novel with erotic elements, or just a novel?

otto_26

eviltwin wrote: »

Otto have you read 50 Shades yourself or have you any first hand knowledge of its content beyond the sensationalist crap in the media?

Yes started to read it but thought it was rubbish tried a few time to continue reading it because everyone else was reading it, I assumed I was missing something by not liking it. Realise now the only reason it was popular was because the media told us it was popular.

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

*Sigh* You know that the 15 year-old considers it to be porn, and doesn't consider it to be erotica, or a novel with erotic elements, or just a novel?

Yes. Social media and book shops describe the book as an erotic novel? Like playboy is described as a men's mag. Or porn is described as erotic movies.

What's all this got to do with my point of the woman not having any tact in (my opinion) about reading porn in front of her child?

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

Yes. Social media and book shops describe the book as an erotic novel? Like playboy is described as a men's mag. Or porn is described as erotic movies.

What's all this got to do with my point of the woman not having any tact in (my opinion) about reading porn in front of her child?

This:

otto_26 wrote: »

28064212 wrote: »

Can you set out the differences between a novel with erotic elements and a porn book? Does Joyce's Ulysses fall in the first category or the second? What about a Jackie Collins book? A Mills and Boon book? J.K. Rowling's latest book?

It's about having no tact and reading porn in front of your child that knows your reading porn.

So which of the books I listed are suitable to read in front of this 15 year old?

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

This:

So which of the books I listed are suitable to read in front of this 15 year old?

It's not about a women reading it, or the contents of what she is reading it's about her reading it in front of her child who knows what her mother is reading, showing a bit of tact!!

I brought playboy into it because I wouldn't just sit in a public place reading playboy in front of children not because of the contents of playboy (because I'm the only one looking inside it) but because everyone knows what I'm reading.

Like her child and everyone else knows what she's reading. Nothing wrong with it she is allowed to do what she wants in public and in front of her child, just saying personally id have a bit more tact in public and in front of my children.

eviltwin

So what if the child know what Mammy is reading. I don't censor my bookshelves, do you?

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

It's not about a women reading it, or the contents of what she is reading it's about her reading it in front of her child who knows what her mother is reading, showing a bit of tact!!

I brought playboy into it because I wouldn't just sit in a public place reading playboy in front of children not because of the contents of playboy (because I'm the only one looking inside it) but because everyone knows what I'm reading.

Like her child and everyone else knows what she's reading. Nothing wrong with it she is allowed to do what she wants in public and in front of her child, just saying personally id have a bit more tact in public and in front of my children.

So you're taking offence on behalf of a 15 year-old girl, despite not having the first clue whether she considers it to be offensive, whether she has the slightest idea what it contains or whether even if she did know would she give a flying f**k? That about sum it up?

TwoShedsJackson

lorebringer wrote: »

Kindle - boom, read whatever filth you like in public and nobody knows...

OP needs to get stick out of ass and not be so concerned with other peoples business.

A woman was reading 50 Shades on her Kindle on the Luas beside me a couple of weeks ago. I know because I saw the words 'inner goddess' a couple of times out of the corner of my eye.

flutterflye

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

A woman was reading 50 Shades on her Kindle on the Luas beside me a couple of weeks ago. I know because I saw the words 'inner goddess' a couple of times out of the corner of my eye.

I have very good peripheral vision, but I wouldn't be able to read with peripheral vision!
You were clearly having a nosy peek!

smash

flutterflye wrote: »

I have very good peripheral vision, but I wouldn't be able to read with peripheral vision!
You were clearly having a nosy peek!

Men have epic peripheral vision! That's how we get away with checking out the rack on the chick to our left while we're talking to your face!

flutterflye

smash wrote: »

Men have epic peripheral vision! That's how we get away with checking out the rack on the chick to our left while we're talking to your face!

You do in your ar$e!
Men have CRAP peripheral vision.
That's why they THINK they're getting away with checking out women, but women always know - ALWAYS!

otto_26

28064212 wrote: »

This:

So which of the books I listed are suitable to read in front of this 15 year old?

As a parent you should have the tact to know which one your child would consider to be porn.

And the tact in the first place not to read it in front of your child.

But that's just my opinion everyone to their own.

28064212

otto_26 wrote: »

As a parent you should have the tact to know which one your child would consider to be porn.

And the tact in the first place not to read it in front of your child.

But that's just my opinion everyone to their own.

You already posted that. I'm pretty sure this mother has a better handle on what her child considers to be porn than the random stranger who happened to be near them for all of ten minutes