Faroe Islands v Republic of Ireland - 16/10/2012 - 19:00 - RTE2

Joekers

0-4 Brady with 2 and Keane and Walters with 1 each

DyldeBrill

It actually frustrates me that Long isn't getting a starting place above Walters. I don't rate Walters whatsoever and he hasn't proved anything to me yet!

Saying that I think its gonna be a 3-1 win Ireland, but I'm gonna stick a shneaky bet down on a draw...sure ya just never know !

LuckyLloyd

DyldeBrill wrote: »

It actually frustrates me that Long isn't getting a starting place above Walters. I don't rate Walters whatsoever and he hasn't proved anything to me yet!

Saying that I think its gonna be a 3-1 win Ireland, but I'm gonna stick a shneaky bet down on a draw...sure ya just never know !

Did very well in impossible circumstances on Friday I thought. He's a man mountain, wonderful first target to have. With us higher up the pitch and with Keano sniffing off him he could be very valuable indeed.

DyldeBrill

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Did very well in impossible circumstances on Friday I thought. He's a man mountain, wonderful first target to have. With us higher up the pitch and with Keano sniffing off him he could be very valuable indeed.

He did do wel, I will give him that but still Keano is past his best! Its time we replace him and bring in Long.I see serious potential in Long and he's proved himself with West Brom. Maybe Walters and Long up front, that would sound more appealing to me that the two we have starting tonight!

Excited to see Brady again and hope he does well

Rekop dog

Watched their match against Sweden the other day, up untill the point of their goal they were good then realised they were a goal up against Sweden and completely froze. Not many easy away games anymore on the International scene but our consistancy in these sort of ties is what finishing 2nd in previous campaign were built on. I expect a win leaving us in a decent position in our group.

Lumbo

I'm glad Walters made the team, he showed the spirit and fight needed on Friday. If a few more had shown it the humiliation might have been less.

I'd wanted Long to start but I wasn't impressed with him running around like an angry 10 year old, even kicking the ball at the crowd at one stage, it must be frustrating for him but there was no need for the petulant attitude he showed.

MD1990

Walters definetly deserves to start after his Germany performance

Rekop dog

Also this is the perfect game to blood some of the younger lads unlike Friday were he was forced to start a couple of them, hopefully they weren't too downbeat on the result!

GavRedKing

I'd love to see Long and Walters, both are very good in the air and both would unsettle and put pressure on any back 4.

In saying that Keane is our top scorer and always seems to come up with the goods when needed.

Long to replace Keane after 55-60 minutes if the job is hopefully done.

DyldeBrill

Irish fans have the same mentality saying " ah he played well and should have scored"

We lost 6-1, we were brutal.If we want to win games then play goal scorers! No point in saying the same oul shíte. Walters has scored 1 goal for us so far, he's due one!

Trhiggy83

Sadly Traps time is up, the media are circling and only waiting for the next bad result to finish him off.

He has not helped himself with his teams selection but i dont think the euros helped his cause. We played against the two finalists in our group which just shows what we were up against.

The problem now is he is trying to change the formation etc but it all seems too late. Anything less than a win tonight and trap will be pushed.

Not too sure who i would like to see in there as the problem at the moment is the quality of players we have.

eagle eye

Father Damo wrote: »

Good point actually, they are a cut above SM, Andorra, Liechteinstein, Luxembourg. Without checking I think they are the only one of those to have a semi pro league. I still say anything less than three for a mid to top ranking team is a worrying return mind (France were pretty sub par in the WC 2010 campaign on the whole, for example, so a mere 1-0 is very indicative of the issues they were having with Domenech and his management at the time)

Italy who were finalists in the Euros beat them 1-0 there in the Euro qualifiers last September. Sweden only beat them by a goal in this campaign.

Hammer Archer

Sure these only have 8 full time players and 3 fish in the team.

But in all seriousness, I can really see us dropping points tonight. The Faroes are higher seeds than Kazakhstan and they'll be fancying their chances after both team's performances on Friday. I know we've generally done well against the 'minnows' of the group since Trap's been in charge, but we've been extremely lucky on occasions (Kazakhstan and Georgia in WCQ 2010). I think that luck could run out tonight. All depends of whether we can get a goal early on.

Rekop dog

Brian Kerr shooting his mouth on SSN, there's a reason you're still unemployed mate. You'd swear he was the one of multiple league and European titles across Europe the way he was going on.

noodler

Rekop dog wrote: »

Brian Kerr shooting his mouth on SSN, there's a reason you're still unemployed mate. You'd swear he was the one of multiple league and European titles across Europe the way he was going on.

Harsh.

(He actually has a few underage European trophies!)

LuckyLloyd

Trhiggy83 wrote: »

Sadly Traps time is up, the media are circling and only waiting for the next bad result to finish him off.

He has not helped himself with his teams selection but i dont think the euros helped his cause. We played against the two finalists in our group which just shows what we were up against.

The problem now is he is trying to change the formation etc but it all seems too late. Anything less than a win tonight and trap will be pushed.

Not too sure who i would like to see in there as the problem at the moment is the quality of players we have.

The media don't get to finish anything or anyone off. **** them, fools.

The Independent labelled Trapp as "shameless" for not resigning today. How is that in anyway an appropriate adjective?

MUSEIST

I am going for a 0-2 Ireland win. We are bad but the Faroe islands are dismal.


On the trap question. A simple question that needs to be asked when accessing a managers performance at any level of the game is as follow.....'is the manager getting the best out of the players avaliable to him?'. In traps case I think the answer is no, the players looks unhappy with him, he is not picking our best players, he is damaging the future of the team by ignoring some younger players, we are far too one dimensional with our long ball game and again this is harmful.

Trampas

Keogh out with concussion. That goal really went to his head

kitakyushu

Trampas wrote: »

Keogh out with concussion. That goal really went to his head

If it wasn't for his late consolation goal against the Germans the result might have been embarrassing.

Father Damo

Anyone recommend a reliable live stream link for this? Cheers.

GavRedKing

Father Damo wrote: »

Anyone recommend a reliable live stream link for this? Cheers.

Are ya really going to stay up and watch this game? :eek:

Father Damo

GavRedKing wrote: »

Are ya really going to stay up and watch this game? :eek:

Get up early. Sleep is the cousin of death and all that :pac: I know one lad out here who took two days off work unpaid so he could watch the Andorra qualifiers last year :P And people mock that "best fans in the world" tag.

Michael Collins

While it looks the Fairies might have a suprise up their sleeves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USI61Qls3sg

...They've only got eight full time players and three fish in the team.

GavRedKing

Father Damo wrote: »

Get up early. Sleep is the cousin of death and all that :pac: I know one lad out here who took two days off work unpaid so he could watch the Andorra qualifiers last year :P And people mock that "best fans in the world" tag.

If you come back after the game and complain about getting up early/lack of sleep I'm banning ya. :P

noodler

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The media don't get to finish anything or anyone off. **** them, fools.

The Independent labelled Trapp as "shameless" for not resigning today. How is that in anyway an appropriate adjective?

Saw that.

Starting an article with "Shameless Giovanni Trappatoni...." was bit disgraceful by Daniel McDonnell.

Same Journo published a "Trap gone within a week" story on Monday (although maybe the editor more likely ot have chosen the headline).

professore

DyldeBrill wrote: »

Irish fans have the same mentality saying " ah he played well and should have scored"

We lost 6-1, we were brutal.If we want to win games then play goal scorers! No point in saying the same oul shíte. Walters has scored 1 goal for us so far, he's due one!

Walters doesn't exactly have 100 caps in which to score goals. He was brilliant against the Germans, but had no support.

If we had players coming through or played a 4-4-2 he would have created lots of chances.

Gringo180

Just my own opinion on Trap is that his time is up with this Irish team. The players have lost all confidence in the man and it shows on the pitch, we were like schoolboys the other night v Germany, couldnt for the life of us string a few passes together, always looking for the killer pass and giving the ball away needlessly in the process. Why cant we just keep hold of the ball and probe around the oppositions box and wait for the openings to come then play the killer ball when its on??

It really does baffle me that there are still some people out there saying give him more time, the man has to of been the most lucky manager I have ever seen. I dont ever remember bar probably Paris that we looked the better side than our opponents in any of our competitive games under him.

homerjay2005

Trampas wrote: »

Keogh out with concussion. That goal really went to his head

Paul Mcshane again i guess? first Keane, now this.

must be the hair is gettin in his way.

professore

Rekop dog wrote: »

Brian Kerr shooting his mouth on SSN, there's a reason you're still unemployed mate. You'd swear he was the one of multiple league and European titles across Europe the way he was going on.

Also he has had quite a few good results with the Faroes.

SlickRic

good grief we need to win this game.

not just for the sake of a long shot at qualifying, but we must not collapse in this campaign for the sake of our ranking. if our ranking slips, it could be a long time before we see anything close to a major championship finals.

professore

Gringo180 wrote: »

Just my own opinion on Trap is that his time is up with this Irish team. The players have lost all confidence in the man and it shows on the pitch, we were like schoolboys the other night v Germany, couldnt for the life of us string a few passes together, always looking for the killer pass and giving the ball away needlessly in the process. Why cant we just keep hold of the ball and probe around the oppositions box and wait for the openings to come then play the killer ball when its on??

It really does baffle me that there are still some people out there saying give him more time, the man has to of been the most lucky manager I have ever seen. I dont ever remember bar probably Paris that we looked the better side than our opponents in any of our competitive games under him.

There was an Italy friendly too where Ireland looked good.

kitakyushu

SlickRic wrote: »

good grief we need to win this game.

not just for the sake of a long shot at qualifying, but we must not collapse in this campaign for the sake of our ranking. if our ranking slips, it could be a long time before we see anything close to a major championship finals.

Whilst I'm fully behind the idea of wanting to win every game I also hold the unpopular opinion that seeding is relatively unimportant and in the case of Ireland the stats bear it out. Ireland have qualified for five tournaments to date. Four times out of the five as third seed or lower. By comparison we've frequently been second seeds (and even first seeds twice!) and flopped time after time.

My opinion is you're better off getting your house in order and offering up a decent team rather than just hoping the seedings will save you next time. If that means taking a short term hit in the rankings/seedings in order to achieve it then so be it.

Paddycrumlinman

Lads, I have been out of touch with Irish Football for a while now since I moved to Florida 10 years ago. When I left, the Irish team where playing in the 2002 World Cup. On the day I traveled, Ireland were playing Spain. I did not get the result until I got to South Carolina and sat at the bar. I asked an English guy what was the score and he proudly told me Spain won on penalties. As much as I was disappointed I was very proud of the team and the boys. We had a team back then.

I watched the Euros during the summer, and the Irish team were embarrassing. I said it to friends and family back home that The current Irish squad would struggle in the Championship. I watched the game against the German’s and holy ****, it was like boys v’s men. I hate to say it, but Ireland do not have the players to compete at this stage. When I look at the team, again I’m thinking this team would struggle in the English Championship to get results.

For me it does not matter who is in charge, the Irish International Soccer team is a joke, it really is, no decent players, the setup amateurish. As a proud Irish man, it pains me to say the above, but unfortunately its very true. As a nation, we are finished on the International stage I feel.

Tonight’s game with be interesting to say the least, but the good days of Irish Football has come and gone unfortunately.

noodler

kitakyushu wrote: »

Whilst I'm fully behind the idea of wanting to win every game I also hold the unpopular opinion that seeding is relatively unimportant and in the case of Ireland the stats bear it out. Ireland have qualified for five tournaments to date. Four times out of the five as third seed or lower. By comparison we've frequently been second seeds (and even first seeds twice!) and flopped time after time.

My opinion is you're better off getting your house in order and offering up a decent team rather than just hoping the seedings will save you next time. If that means taking a short term hit in the rankings/seedings in order to achieve it then so be it.

Surely, any basic statistical analysis of World Cup and Euro qualifiers over the last 20 years will show that the higher seeds nearly always qualify.

The two are rarely mutually exclusive.



The 20 or so tournaments we didn't qualify for in the last half decade were likely when we were seeded lower as well.

Laois_Man

Ahh here....I've had it with this!

There's every possibility that we can create the spine of a decent team supplemented by a few ordinary players who play above themselves in an Ireland jersey, inspired by a manager who instills pride, confidence and organization in them, as we have always done in the past. Our most memorable World Cup games ever, the 2 games agasint Italy in 1990 and 1994 had average players like Morris, Cascarino, Babb, Phelan in the team and little or nothing on the bench! We can get back to that level again - or something approaching it! But it will take time!

Aston Villa have some hot IRISH prospects - Graham Burke, Samier Carruthers & Jack Grealish. Jordan Graham is another hot prospect at Villa who can play for Ireland but will probably play for England

Also the likes of Shane Duffy, Aidan White, Marc Wilson, Robbie Brady, Conor Clifford, Conor Henderson, James McCarthy, James McLean.
There's 11 top prospects right there. It doesn't cover every position and not every single one of them will make it. But others will emerge also and the likes of Clifford and Henderson need to get out of clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal

Young and younish players also like McGeady, Gibson, Doyle, Coleman, Long, Pearce, Pinkelton, O'Brien, Clark and maybe a return of Stephen Ireland will enhance what we have coming through also.

We have every chance of building a decent team over the next 4 years - not a world class team like the early 90's....but a very decent team capable of upsetting anyone on their day. But Trap is not the man to build it!

professore

Paddycrumlinman wrote: »

Lads, I have been out of touch with Irish Football for a while now since I moved to Florida 10 years ago. When I left, the Irish team where playing in the 2002 World Cup. On the day I traveled, Ireland were playing Spain. I did not get the result until I got to South Carolina and sat at the bar. I asked an English guy what was the score and he proudly told me Spain won on penalties. As much as I was disappointed I was very proud of the team and the boys. We had a team back then.

I watched the Euros during the summer, and the Irish team were embarrassing. I said it to friends and family back home that The current Irish squad would struggle in the Championship. I watched the game against the German’s and holy ****, it was like boys v’s men. I hate to say it, but Ireland do not have the players to compete at this stage. When I look at the team, again I’m thinking this team would struggle in the English Championship to get results.

For me it does not matter who is in charge, the Irish International Soccer team is a joke, it really is, no decent players, the setup amateurish. As a proud Irish man, it pains me to say the above, but unfortunately its very true. As a nation, we are finished on the International stage I feel.

Tonight’s game with be interesting to say the least, but the good days of Irish Football has come and gone unfortunately.

There were no world beaters in that 2002 side either - just some journeymen professionals - apart from Given and Roy Keane - and young untested young players such as Duff etc. No stars there.

We most likely have at least as much talent now available as then - some of the younger players show a lot of promise, if they could get game time.

We'll probably never have the quality we had in Jack Charlton's days, but we definitely can have a much better team than we have now.

1 Given
2 Finnan
3 Harte
4 Cunningham
5 Staunton (c)
6 Roy Keane
7 McAteer
8 Holland
9 Duff
10 Robbie Keane
11 Kilbane
12 Kinsella
13 Connolly
14 Breen
15 Dunne
16 Kiely
17 Quinn
18 G. Kelly
19 Morrison
20 O'Brien
21 Reid
22 Carsley
23 A. Kelly
Coach: McCarthy

Paddycrumlinman

professore wrote: »

There were no world beaters in that 2002 side either - just some journeymen professionals - apart from Given and Roy Keane - and young untested young players such as Duff etc. No stars there.

We most likely have at least as much talent now available as then - some of the younger players show a lot of promise, if they could get game time.

We'll probably never have the quality we had in Jack Charlton's days, but we definitely can have a much better team than we have now.

1 Given
2 Finnan
3 Harte
4 Cunningham
5 Staunton (c)
6 Roy Keane
7 McAteer
8 Holland
9 Duff
10 Robbie Keane
11 Kilbane
12 Kinsella
13 Connolly
14 Breen
15 Dunne
16 Kiely
17 Quinn
18 G. Kelly
19 Morrison
20 O'Brien
21 Reid
22 Carsley
23 A. Kelly
Coach: McCarthy

For me that squad above is so much better than the players available today. That squad at least could complete in World Cups and be proud of it. Can't say the same with the squad we have at the moment.

buyer95

professore wrote: »

There were no world beaters in that 2002 side either - just some journeymen professionals - apart from Given and Roy Keane - and young untested young players such as Duff etc. No stars there.

We most likely have at least as much talent now available as then - some of the younger players show a lot of promise, if they could get game time.

We'll probably never have the quality we had in Jack Charlton's days, but we definitely can have a much better team than we have now.

1 Given
2 Finnan
3 Harte
4 Cunningham
5 Staunton (c)
6 Roy Keane
7 McAteer
8 Holland
9 Duff
10 Robbie Keane
11 Kilbane
12 Kinsella
13 Connolly
14 Breen
15 Dunne
16 Kiely
17 Quinn
18 G. Kelly
19 Morrison
20 O'Brien
21 Reid
22 Carsley
23 A. Kelly
Coach: McCarthy

Finnan has a champions league medal, an extremely solid left back. Robbie Keane was tearing it up that time as well

Gringo180

Paddycrumlinman wrote: »

For me that squad above is so much better than the players available today. That squad at least could complete in World Cups and be proud of it. Can't say the same with the squad we have at the moment.

Maybe because there not been managed correctly at the moment

Take New Zealand for example, a bunch of very average players who competed fairly well in the last World Cup, drawing there 3 games with the likes of Italy, Slovakia and Paraguay in there group. It just goes to show what you can achieve with a good coach in international football. We are more than capable of competing with the best in the world, but not under Trappatoni!

clubberlang12

buyer95 wrote: »

Finnan has a champions league medal, an extremely solid left back. Robbie Keane was tearing it up that time as well

"Jimmy" Traore has one too. Enough said.

kincsem

I've backed Ireland -1. I expect we have more firepower in attack.

fryup

Rekop dog wrote: »

Brian Kerr shooting his mouth on SSN, there's a reason you're still unemployed mate.

its a pity he's still not with the Faroe's...would have been great seeing him up against his old employers

eagle eye

kincsem wrote: »

I've backed Ireland -1. I expect we have more firepower in attack.

Crazy bet, we have one of the poorest squads we have ever had or at least in the past 35 years since I started watching football.

As I said on the previous page, Italy only won there 1-0, Sweden only won 2-1. A win over there is a good result but winning by more than a goal is not very easy.

Rekop dog

Nah it's a solid bet now after big drift! Just on the match betting myself!

kincsem

Crazy bet? But you don't know the odds at which the bet was struck.

niallo27

How about an Ireland, Germany and holland treble tonight at 5/2. Decent bet.

happydayz182

eagle eye wrote: »

Crazy bet, we have one of the poorest squads we have ever had or at least in the past 35 years since I started watching football.

As I said on the previous page, Italy only won there 1-0, Sweden only won 2-1. A win over there is a good result but winning by more than a goal is not very easy.

its not a crazy bet . this is faroes island second match in a week and they gave it everything against sweden. Theyl be wrecked.Ireland will be switched on and ready do it for themselves after fridays embarassment knowing the manager is gone pretty much eithier way according to reports.

backed -1 and minus -2 (3/1) tonight

clubberlang12

The last time the Faroes conceded more than 2 goals in a home fixture was Sept '10 against Serbia(3-0). Before that you have to go back to Oct'07 when France trounced them 6-0. Regardless of them having had a tough game on Friday, most of our players were ran raged for 90 mins too, to assume we will put a bagful of goals past these is wishful thinking. The stats don't back it up.

Regardless, all i want is a win here. I don't care for the score. 3 points and get our campaign back on track.

Super-Rush

clubberlang12 wrote: »

"Jimmy" Traore has one too. Enough said.

Are you for fcuking real?

tigger123

From Off the Ball, Newstalk ...

"Trapattoni will NOT hold a planned press conference in Dublin tomorrow and will instead fly home directly to Milan. Writing is on the wall. Join us tonight ... "

Hmmmmm.....