Gareth Bale: Overhyped or The Real Deal?

Oregano_State · 27-02-2013 2:07pm

Gbear wrote: »

Real Madrid have better players than Barca

I was with you up to here.

KingdomYid · 27-02-2013 2:13pm

Potentially the Real Deal

He should not be compared to anybody, he is his own player and an extremely talented one at that. IMO he is only going to get better and at the moment it is an absolute privelige to watch him week in week out.

Gbear · 27-02-2013 2:18pm

Oregano_State wrote: »

I was with you up to here.

Only Xavi, Iniesta and Messi would definitely get into Real's team.

It's a bit of a toss up between Khedira (who's better all round) and Busquets (who's the best dedicated DCM in the world) and Coentrao and Alba but the rest of Madrid's players are better, by quite a margin in some cases.

Oregano_State · 27-02-2013 2:26pm

Gbear wrote: »

Only Xavi, Iniesta and Messi would definitely get into Real's team.

It's a bit of a toss up between Khedira (who's better all round) and Busquets (who's the best dedicated DCM in the world) and Coentrao and Alba but the rest of Madrid's players are better, by quite a margin in some cases.

I think Pedro is a lot better than he's given credit for. And I'd take Fabregas at his best over Ozil. Puyol is better than Ramos imo. Maybe Alves and Villa are not the players they once were, but I think putting out a blunt statement like that about Real being like-for-like better than Barca is nonsense talk, and I'm no Barcelona fan, believe me.

Barca play a system that suits them down to the ground and their players are the best in the world at doing that. The fact that they have played badly in two recent big games does not suddenly mean their players are any worse than they ever were.

Blatter · 27-02-2013 2:30pm

Potentially the Real Deal

I think Ozil at is best is a good bit better than Fabregas at his best, especially in the role that both are playing (link between midfield and attack). Fabregas is better as a deeper midfielder.

Puyol better than Ramos? Ramos is way ahead of him at the moment and has been for a while now, I think the majority of Barca fans would agree!

Irishcrx · 27-02-2013 4:22pm

Bale is a good player, not yet a great player he has a long way to go. I hate the media hype he is getting at the minute though , it's the usual crap of any sign of a British player being in 'Top' class they are all over it, every day , every paper , every article it's headwrecking.

I hope he does well but I hate that F****** goal celebration he does every time, and his hair cut. Nothing to do with his ability though.

MaroonAndGreen · 27-02-2013 4:27pm

Hes very very good..

Id say hes the best player in the Premier League.. but not near Messi or Ronaldo's level.. yet!

In a top team I could see him being pretty amazing though TBF

SteelyDanJalapeno · 27-02-2013 5:24pm

Potentially the Real Deal

I'm actually quite suprised at the amount Spurs originally paid for Bale, 14.7 million Euro, having just turned 17 is pretty big.

Money well spent now thou.

Super-Rush · 27-02-2013 5:26pm

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Hes very very good..

Id say hes the best player in the Premier League.. but not near Messi or Ronaldo's level.. yet!

In a top team I could see him being pretty amazing though TBF

How is he the best player in the PL?

Gbear · 27-02-2013 5:31pm

Super-Rush wrote: »

How is he the best player in the PL?

Because he's british and foreigners don't count.

eagle eye · 27-02-2013 5:35pm

Super-Rush wrote: »

How is he the best player in the PL?

He is deffo in the conversation for it along with RVP and Mata imo.

Liam O · 27-02-2013 5:45pm

eagle eye wrote: »

He is deffo in the conversation for it along with RVP and Mata imo.

He's certainly in the conversation for most in form player but if I was to make a list of players I'd take if I was starting a team I'd be looking at the likes of Aguero, Silva, Rooney, Suarez, even Walcott along with the two above before I would Bale.

eagle eye · 27-02-2013 5:49pm

Liam O wrote: »

He's certainly in the conversation for most in form player but if I was to make a list of players I'd take if I was starting a team I'd be looking at the likes of Aguero, Silva, Rooney, Suarez, even Walcott along with the two above before I would Bale.

I think you would be in the minority there but each to his own.

Super-Rush · 27-02-2013 5:51pm

Liam O wrote: »

He's certainly in the conversation for most in form player but if I was to make a list of players I'd take if I was starting a team I'd be looking at the likes of Aguero, Silva, Rooney, Suarez, even Walcott along with the two above before I would Bale.

Typo?

Pyjamarama · 27-02-2013 5:56pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I think you would be in the minority there but each to his own.

You'd have Bale over Suarez? Bale is superb but Suarez is the 2nd best player in the league after RVP.

Antisocialiser · 27-02-2013 5:57pm

Potentially the Real Deal

Liam O wrote: »

He's certainly in the conversation for most in form player but if I was to make a list of players I'd take if I was starting a team I'd be looking at the likes of Aguero, Silva, Rooney, Suarez, even Walcott along with the two above before I would Bale.

Yeah I'd have to agree with eagle eye. It's hard to gauge best players as they all generally play in different positions. I think RVP and Suarez are up there with him going on current form. I will admit to being a Spurs fan so take my view as biased.

Will I Amnt · 27-02-2013 6:07pm

Pyjamarama wrote: »

You'd have Bale over Suarez? Bale is superb but Suarez is the 2nd best player in the league after RVP.

No he's not although he is in much better form than most of the other contenders for that title.

CSF · 27-02-2013 6:14pm

Pyjamarama wrote: »

You'd have Bale over Suarez? Bale is superb but Suarez is the 2nd best player in the league after RVP.

I'd go along with this.
1) RVP
2) Suarez/Aguero (both a decent amount off RVP)
3) Bale/Mata (neither are too far off Suarez)

Kompany has to be in there somewhere too

Blatter · 27-02-2013 6:18pm

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CSF wrote: »

I'd go along with this.
1) RVP
2) Suarez/Aguero (both a decent amount off RVP)
3) Bale/Mata (neither are too far off Suarez)

Kompany has to be in there somewhere too

You're missing Rooney imo. Think he's the most productive player (in term of goals/assists) in the league behind RvP in the last 2 years. And during that time he's played virtually zero times as a number 9.

CSF · 27-02-2013 6:20pm

Blatter wrote: »

You're missing Rooney imo. Think he's the most productive player (in term of goals/assists) in the league behind RvP in the last 2 years.

He's another who would have to be there or there abouts yeah.

Will I Amnt · 27-02-2013 6:22pm

Blatter wrote: »

You're missing Rooney imo. Think he's the most productive player (in term of goals/assists) in the league behind RvP in the last 2 years. And during that time he's played virtually zero times as a number 9.

And Silva and Toure and more. If Bale's good few months isn't enough to justify him being talked up then either can a bad few months for someone else.

CSF · 27-02-2013 6:24pm

cambo2008 wrote: »

And Silva and Toure and more. If Bale's good few months isn't enough to justify him being talked up then either can a bad few months for someone else.

Yaya Toure being mentioned in the above company is insanity.

Will I Amnt · 27-02-2013 6:28pm

CSF wrote: »

Yaya Toure being mentioned in the above company is insanity.

Not imo. He's been poor of late but was destroying teams for the majority of the time up until then.

Blatter · 27-02-2013 6:30pm

Potentially the Real Deal

cambo2008 wrote: »

And Silva and Toure and more. If Bale's good few months isn't enough to justify him being talked up then either can a bad few months for someone else.

I'm not disagreeing on Bale at all, I def rate him as one of the best.

super_furry · 27-02-2013 6:31pm

The Real Deal Now

He's behind Van Persie and Suarez this season but he's not a "durty foreigner" so he's the best in the league, clearly.

Blatter · 27-02-2013 6:32pm

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G.K. wrote: »

Hard to compare Bale and Suarez. Two compeltely different players.

I don't think people are comparing them directly, it's more a ''Suarez is a better forward than Bale is a winger'' comparison and vice versa.

Will I Amnt · 27-02-2013 6:32pm

Blatter wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing on Bale at all, I def rate him as one of the best.

Not saying you were, just adding a few more names to the ones in the post you were replying to.

Liam O · 27-02-2013 6:57pm

Super-Rush wrote: »

Typo?

If Walcott was put in Bale's role in a team built around him like that then he would look as impressive imo. He already has a similar amount of goals and more assists this season. He has worse long shooting but is a better finisher than Bale, pace is about the same. Bale beats him on power and gamesmanship but not much else.

Backstreet Moyes · 27-02-2013 7:05pm

Liam O wrote: »

If Walcott was put in Bale's role in a team built around him like that then he would look as impressive imo. He already has a similar amount of goals and more assists this season. He has worse long shooting but is a better finisher than Bale, pace is about the same. Bale beats him on power and gamesmanship but not much else.

Walcott's stats are fairly impressive for somebody who people rarely talk about when mentioning the best players in the league.

CSF · 27-02-2013 7:17pm

cambo2008 wrote: »

Not imo. He's been poor of late but was destroying teams for the majority of the time up until then.

Cazorla, Walcott, Wilshere, Benteke, Mata, Ba, Cech, Hazard, Fellaini, Baines, Berbatov, Suarez, Aguero, Hart, Silva, Zabaleta, Kompany, Van Persie, Rooney, Rafael, De Gea, Begovic, Michu, Bale.

All players I'd have ahead of Yaya. There are some there that people will rate higher than others and invariably some below Toure (others may even have more players they rate higher), but I think when compared with the likes of Van Persie, Aguero, Suarez, Mata, Bale, Rooney and Kompany, I think there can be no question of the gap in quality between these players and Yaya Toure.

markesmith · 27-02-2013 8:32pm

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Liam O wrote: »

If Walcott was put in Bale's role in a team built around him like that then he would look as impressive imo.

I would take Bale over Walcott any time. More powerful, versatile, explosive, got a better shot, better set pieces, more consistency, better crosser of the ball, stronger on the ball, better composure in front of goal, a better all-round finisher...

Jax Teller · 27-02-2013 8:37pm

Reus & Gotze have got to be in around Bale's level haven't seen any mention of them .

Gbear · 27-02-2013 9:32pm

Jax Teller wrote: »

Reus & Gotze have got to be in around Bale's level haven't seen any mention of them .

I haven't seen much of Gotze but his stats are damned impressive for a 20 year old. Probably better than Bale but you'd have to get on to one of the germanophiles like Kess or Nuri to get a better idea.

Hank Scorpio · 04-05-2013 5:15pm

just scored a belter there, spurs were 0-0 with southampton 5 mins left, massive goal

20th league goal..

Will I Amnt · 04-05-2013 5:20pm

His ability to hit the target so consistently while moving at pace is really impressive.
Didn't have a great game today but still dragging Spurs towards a possible Champions League qualification.

SantryRed · 04-05-2013 5:20pm

Unbelievable. He has scored so many crucial goals for Spurs this year, they wouldn't be anywhere near 4th without him.

kryogen · 04-05-2013 5:21pm

cambo2008 wrote: »

His ability to hit the target so consistently while moving at pace is really impressive.
Didn't have a great game today but still dragging Spurs towards a possible Champions League qualification.

He was absolute muck today! Uninterested, gave the ball away, just couldnt get going.

But he came up with the goods in the end. Credit where its due

The_Kew_Tour · 04-05-2013 5:26pm

Great players score when on form or not.

He deserves credit where it's due.

Gareth Bale: Overhyped or The Real Deal?

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