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Great, we've got a puker on our hands...which means extra work for the lifeguards and a pain in the arse for everyone because the pool will have to be closed and super-chlorinated. We hated your type when I worked at the pool.
Not in the pool proper, on the deck in my bag or something. i'm not that manky.0 -
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Wondering what is the point in working fulling on anaerobic training on the off season. Surely it would be best to focus on technique and aerobic training.The number one fact that limits perform in distance swimming is stroke technique.
Its a good comment, and I'd agree that stroke technique is important - is it the number one fact that limits performance in distance swimming ? sorry, too much of a generalisation for my blood, but I'd guess that swim fitness would play a big part in it.
But hey, lets tease things out for fun - for example, me .... I've always had a fairly rubbish stroke (not my words) as things go, I breath every stroke, to one side, I don't kick enough and my left arm is too straight when I get tired during the pull phase. At the level I swim at (not exactly oly/international standard) do I think my technique limits my speed ? probably. Is swim fitness a bigger factor these days ? definitely. I'm lucky in that I train with age group swimmers where .. maybe .. 10% of 3 sessions is stroke work but I regularly get corrections related to my stroke. Do I or any other swimmer in the pool do 3 hours of stroke a week do technique work. Nope. But hey, every coach and swimmer has a differing opinion - and it's D'internet after all.
Again, just for fun ....
Being specific .... two swimmers in a pool Friday - one has a reasonably good stroke - can do 1 fast 100 free in 1.22 but can't do a 200 free in under 3.30. Limiting factor? technique ? maybe ... a stroke can always be improved ... but I'd be thinking build up swim fitness with appropriate sets so that they can split 1.40/1.40 for their 200 instead of dying a death.
Another swimmer in the pool, hips under the water, almost non existent kick, shortens stroke at every opportunity. Definitely time to be well spent doing some stroke work, drills etc. After two or 3 hours of that they know what they should be doing, they work on it outside Fridays, and they're much better equipped to deal with aerobic sets to help them improve their fitness.
It's about each **specific** swimmer, getting something out of it. But the challenge when coaching a group is to coach it as a group but inform the individuals within that group of the things they could be doing better outside the session to improve.
The two things we've every intention of addressing over the initial 10 weeks are peoples swim technique and swim fitness. How much will be required for each swimmer ? no idea ... if 20% of the people on Friday have major stroke problems will 100% of the people be doing stroke drills for the first 3 weeks. Very, very unlikely. That said the 20% will get the space and time and sets to work on their technique without impacting on the other swimmers.
It's 10 weeks, a total of 10 hours - a couple of long bike rides - but that's the plan and challenge and we'll work with the swimmers that come along on Friday.
I'd go further and say that there's little point swimmer with a bad stroke.... No point sprinting on a bad stroke.
Also, purely for fun - I'd never consider sets of 100's or even 50's to be anaerobic. Maybe 12.5m efforts ... but imho an anaerobic effort lasts seconds rather than minutes - and we currently don't have anyone doing 100's that fast just yet.
Many thanks for the input though. Good luck with the swimming and coaching - and hopefully I'll see you for RoundTheHead again next summer 0 -
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interested wrote: »Its a good comment, and I'd agree that stroke technique is important - is it the number one fact that limits performance in distance swimming ? sorry, too much of a generalisation for my blood, but I'd guess that swim fitness would play a big part in it.
But hey, lets tease things out for fun - for example, me .... I've always had a fairly rubbish stroke (not my words) as things go, I breath every stroke, to one side, I don't kick enough and my left arm is too straight when I get tired during the pull phase. At the level I swim at (not exactly oly/international standard) do I think my technique limits my speed ? probably. Is swim fitness a bigger factor these days ? definitely. I'm lucky in that I train with age group swimmers where .. maybe .. 10% of 3 sessions is stroke work but I regularly get corrections related to my stroke. Do I or any other swimmer in the pool do 3 hours of stroke a week do technique work. Nope. But hey, every coach and swimmer has a differing opinion - and it's D'internet after all.
Again, just for fun ....
Being specific .... two swimmers in a pool Friday - one has a reasonably good stroke - can do 1 fast 100 free in 1.22 but can't do a 200 free in under 3.30. Limiting factor? technique ? maybe ... a stroke can always be improved ... but I'd be thinking build up swim fitness with appropriate sets so that they can split 1.40/1.40 for their 200 instead of dying a death.
Another swimmer in the pool, hips under the water, almost non existent kick, shortens stroke at every opportunity. Definitely time to be well spent doing some stroke work, drills etc. After two or 3 hours of that they know what they should be doing, they work on it outside Fridays, and they're much better equipped to deal with aerobic sets to help them improve their fitness.
It's about each **specific** swimmer, getting something out of it. But the challenge when coaching a group is to coach it as a group but inform the individuals within that group of the things they could be doing better outside the session to improve.
The two things we've every intention of addressing over the initial 10 weeks are peoples swim technique and swim fitness. How much will be required for each swimmer ? no idea ... if 20% of the people on Friday have major stroke problems will 100% of the people be doing stroke drills for the first 3 weeks. Very, very unlikely. That said the 20% will get the space and time and sets to work on their technique without impacting on the other swimmers.
It's 10 weeks, a total of 10 hours - a couple of long bike rides - but that's the plan and challenge and we'll work with the swimmers that come along on Friday.
I'd go further and say that there's little point swimmer with a bad stroke.
Also, purely for fun - I'd never consider sets of 100's or even 50's to be anaerobic. Maybe 12.5m efforts ... but imho an anaerobic effort lasts seconds rather than minutes - and we currently don't have anyone doing 100's that fast just yet.
Many thanks for the input though. Good luck with the swimming and coaching - and hopefully I'll see you for RoundTheHead again next summer
Did not mean to come across the way I did!
I was quoting Maglischo - Swimming Fastest were he gives the following factors for limiting performance in distance swims;
Stroke Technique
Ability to delay acidosis
Rate of anaerobic metabolism.
I full understand in a group you will have all abilities. Some require more work, overall bad technique, others need slight adjustments. Obviously the swimmers with poor technique would benefit with more drills, less with an advance swimmer. We often build drills into sets, kinda kill 2 birds with the one stone.
Going back to my comment regarding sprinting with bad technique, I've seen time and time again, you work on technique and at low effort their stroke improves. When they swim fast, that technique goes out the window, stroke rate increases and they fatigue fast, when if they just focused on the stroke and pulled more water. That's the reason I try to get their technique drilled into their heads.
Hope it goes well for you.0 -
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interested wrote: »Believe me, would love to alter the night but cannot get the pool time in a city centre pool on those nights.
Well if you want to go to a pool more convenient for me on a Monday or Wednesday I would not complain
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Hey Folks
For anyone interested, this coming Friday 10th the plan is to kick off another block of swim sessions for 11 weeks up to March 28th (excl Fri March 7). The cost of this block is €77.
Session runs from 7pm til 8 and is at the Belvedere pool (Denmark street, Dublin).
Ill be there from 6.30pm .... TI membership a must folks.
I just checked the TI calendar and the Portlaois pool tri is on Sat 5th of March ... 12 weeks away .. :eek:
Over 11 weeks, 11 hours ... some initial weeks will be spent tackling peoples strokes - one or two key things that will continue to limit progression if not addressed and regularly adhered to during training and racing ('low hanging fruit') and then the remainder of the the sessions will be focused on increasing aerobic endurance in the pool and proper pacing associated with your target distance.
All questions welcome (related to this before the obligatory 'whats your favourite flavour crisps) HNY. 0 -
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Anyone here do the 10 weeks before christmas wish to comment on them?
Maybe one positive one negative element?
Other than it being a Friday night when I good be having after work beers I've nothing negative to say about the sessions. I drive in from Blanch direction and it takes me about 20mins to get there so I can't even criticise location. Although if I had to criticise one thing it would be that he's mixed up March and April in relation to the Portlaois race...
On a positive note I think I get the most feedback in the group with my swimming regularly held up as an example (of what not to do
). Interested is good coach, he explains things well and he runs the sessions really well making sure everyone is pushing themselves. I will be back Friday. 0 -
couerdelion wrote: »Other than it being a Friday night when I good be having after work beers I've nothing negative to say about the sessions. I drive in from Blanch direction and it takes me about 20mins to get there so I can't even criticise location. Although if I had to criticise one thing it would be that he's mixed up March and April in relation to the Portlaois race...
On a positive note I think I get the most feedback in the group with my swimming regularly held up as an example (of what not to do ). Interested is good coach, he explains things well and he runs the sessions really well making sure everyone is pushing themselves. I will be back Friday.
He's fond of picking out one or two people for some abuse alright!!0 -
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interested wrote: »Hey Folk
a fyi - we're bringing this forward a week ... Oct 4th .. so a week from this evening. All welcome. Still at the same price - we'll probably run for 11 weeks but will see as we go since that pool closed early for Christmas last year.
Hey Folks, resurrecting this old thread - the plan is to run this again over the course of the winter
Details are within the thread but in summary:
When: Fri nights, 10 weeks til Christmas and 10 weeks in new year, 7-8pm Belvedere College pool, Denmark Street, Dublin 1 (I think)
For who:- Anyone with a current TI membership card welcome
- Based on last year, a split between beginners, intermediates and advanced will be catered for across the 5 lanes.
- Initial weeks will be about stroke work for some or all that might need it, followed by building some volume over the course of the 10 weeks.
Any questions ? feel free to ping me a pm here.
Thanks
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RacoonQueen wrote: »You're not selling it to me with this... :P
Then you tell us what (or rather "who") it would take to sell it to you?:) 0 -
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