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Sub 3 Muffin Man

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Swim with Toys
    My own session again.
    200m swim
    10*50m pull buoy
    200m swim
    10*50m kick with fins
    4*400m off 7 in on 6:12/6:09/6:09/6:06
    2*200m power paddle
    400m easy mixed strokes
    3,800m total

    I awoke at 3:40am and couldn't get back to sleep. Instead I got most of my Christmas shopping done and dusted via Amazon. Since I was so early I had a coffee and a slice of toast. I normally don't have anything before a swim. I planned the session in the car en route and settled on a similar set to last week but doing the paddle after the 400s. I felt pretty could and found a good 'catch' during the pull buoy 50s. I started the 400s at a strong aerobic tempo and was surprised with the split on the first one. I really had a good 'feel' for the water. The next 3 reps all followed in similar fashion although I was working pretty hard by the end of the last one. They were a good deal faster than last week. 1.6km at CSS pace on my own is pretty satisfying. All the suffering in the fast lane seems to be getting my swim fitness back quickly! Good session.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    Yourslef and BTH have me green with envy with your swim times! :D

    Are you using the Swim Smooth 400 + 200 option to calculate your CSS?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    4*400m off 7 in on 6:12/6:09/6:09/6:06

    You'll be swimming the marathon under 3hours at this rate! Fantastic progress.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    You'll be swimming the marathon under 3hours at this rate! Fantastic progress.

    A sub 3 swim marathon (10km) is part of the plan!

    Nothing done since that swim. Pesky head cold.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    New Weekly Plans
    Swim Consistency
    Run Consistency - +15 mins on LR, +2*1km reps on midweek session
    Easy Turbo
    Flexibility

    Actual:
    3 swims - 10.3km
    2 runs - 26.58km :mad::mad::mad:

    Rubbish rubbish week. Just when I began to get a little momentum, virus, asthma, insomnia and general stress all formed a cocktail that plain sucked. Enough said. 50km to run in 9 weeks. 1 long run done :(:mad: I'm drawing a line under this year, the most inconsistent by far over the last few. Hopefully I can salvage some winter training out of it. Marathon training kicks off in the new year so the simple goal is get up to the required starting volume healthy. Simples. Oh and enjoy the mince pies because I'm cold cold turkey on the sugar on Jan 1 :(:cool:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Oh and enjoy the mince pies because I'm cold cold turkey on the sugar on Jan 1 :(:cool:

    With your massive sweet tooth, good luck with that. ;):D


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Medium Base Run
    2 laps of suburbia. It was cold on Monday so I began with a pep in my step to get the blood flowing. As I warmed I relaxed into the rhythm of the little clouds I blew out every fourth to fifth stride. I like winter running :) What I don't like is the muffin :o Laboured 16.64km

    Easy Swim
    No clock, just in, 3,000m as I pleased, out.

    Easy Runs
    2 short runs today keeping the effort way down. The lunchtime chatting pace 10km with a colleague flew by. I was good today, or rather too busy to visit the candy man. Shotgunjunior hit some benchmarks in the pool too. I've enrolled him in pending group lessons. His backstroke is better than mine, so fair to say he is ready. An easy 11.5km after work felt good. I'm ready to try a session. I also broke and went up to the attic and set the turbo up. Nothing done on it, just there in case...

    Dory Dory wrote: »
    With your massive sweet tooth, good luck with that. ;):D
    Ha ha cheers :) Whats this I hear about you needing a hot escort next October ;) ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory



    Ha ha cheers :) Whats this I hear about you needing a hot escort next October ;) ?

    Might be in the market for a little arm frosting....;):D


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Base Run with 8*1km PMP reps
    Missed this run last week so just picked up from where I left off. Out the door at 6am for a 5.5km warm up easy before the work. Overall pleased to get the run done. 19.19km before work. The first 3 reps flew by until my body properly woke up and realised there was blood flowing. The last 2 reps were a bit of work. Overall the 8 reps used the full range of the marathon heart rate zone. Obviously a million miles from fitting 42 consecutive kms into that same zone :eek: I have a ton of work to do...
    Actual Reps
    4:05 at 151 avg hr
    4:04 at 150 avg hr
    4:07 at 153 avg hr
    4:03 at 157 avg hr
    4:03 at 160 avg hr
    4:03 at 161 avg hr
    4:03 at 160 avg hr
    4:01 at 164 avg hr max hr 168


    Dory Dory wrote: »
    Might be in the market for a little arm frosting....;):D
    Hey Bebe ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Medium base run with 10*100m strides
    Tight opportunities this weekend between work and social life. Bolted out the door at lunchtime for some freedom in the rain. 5km to warm up to the local industrial estate. I wanted some relative peace to get them done. No traffic lights and other urban obstacles. P&D say to hit full speed by 70m and float the rest. I took 2 minutes easy in between. The strides were 16.4/17.1/16.5/16.0/16.1/17.5/16.1/17.9/15.1/16.1 seconds. I focused on form and aimed to push hard but controlled. I thought 16-17 seconds was a decent pace until I though about the recent book I read about runner breaking the 4 minute mile. Sub 15 seconds per 100m :eek: It didn't feel so sharp then! Back to work for 14.44km total. Good short speed session without a significant recovery cost.

    Medium base run
    I had a long run plan but 90 minutes was all I had. I thought about not bothering but 90 minutes was better than nothing. 19km again in the stupid rain. My hip flexors felt the strides from yesterday but not to any extent that a stretch could not help. The pace felt easy, I could have happily run for more.

    Overall 90.4km for the week which is good. 1 swim and a half hour of yoga. 8 hours of mostly quality really so no complaints. I've had a look over the race calendar and decided 2013 will be a mixed bag.

    Provisional line-up
    January
    - 5 mile country club run with a mate
    February
    - Donadea 50km
    - Adare 10k
    March
    - Keeper Challenge
    - Wicklow or Tralee Half Marathon
    - Headless Horseman
    April
    - WAR Glendalough
    - Joey Hannon Olympic
    May
    - Great Limerick Run - A Goal
    June
    - Rough Diamond
    - Eirman X off road Tri
    July
    - Triathlone Olympic
    - Warrior of the Sea or Beginish Island OW
    August - options
    - Beast of Ballyhouras
    - Gaelforce West - A Goal
    - Loch Gill OW - A Goal
    - Worlds End Sprint or Brian Boru Olympic
    September - options
    - Killarney Lake OW
    - Glendalough OW
    - Lost Sheep
    - i3 Lough Derg OW
    October
    - Killarney AR
    - DCM

    Obviously won't be doing the lot but that's the cherry pick list :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    Nice list there Mike. I think you'll enjoy WAR in April. The 2 mountain runs are class!

    What's your target regarding weekly distance for the run? 90km is a nice bit considering your long run was cut short.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    I might catch you at 1 or 2 of those races, in the process of finalising my own race schedule for next year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,082 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    See you at the 50k, what's the plan / target?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    @pgibbo - just getting up to the distance to start P&D 55-70, 80-113km range. The programme starts with an 86km week so I wanted to be able to do that comfortably. I'll probably go over for the first few weeks though getting in a couple of double longs for Donadea.
    @JB - I think it will be me trying to do the catch up next year!
    @Beepbeep67 - No target, just using it to get mileage up. Probably 4 hours at a steady pace. Not looking to empty the tank


    Medium Easy Run
    2 laps of suburbia, the usual Monday jaunt. Cold and wet. Not holding out much hope of a white Christmas :( Kept the pace under control. 16.5km at 4:48 pace, hr 145. Hip flexors actually still feeling the striders at the weekend. I'm missing lots of sessions and eating a lot of crap and it tells. I feel heavy and the energy is not on tap. Its not bothering me though. My sister gave me a bit of a talking to, despite my protests, for not taking a proper break after Barcelona when I was clearly wrecked. I got run down recently and she is just the caring type who says it straight. So, If I run I run, if the couch beckons so be it... until Jan 1! I also kept this run easy as I had a meaty session to follow today.

    Medium Long Base Run with 12*1km PMP reps
    It felt like a long run but anything under 2 hours on the P&D will be medium long so I may as well get used to the terminology. It was chilly and breezy to start. I took the iPod with me anticipating without doubt that the main set would bite at some point and a thumping beat would help. I enjoyed the playlist and often happily sang out loud on my 5.5km easy warm up, much to the surprise of some canines and their owners. The main set of work would take approx 73 minutes. Half way through the 5th rep Kate Bush shrieked into my ear. Clearly Caz was last using the iPod :rolleyes:
    Actual Reps
    4:03 at 153 avg hr
    4:04 at 162 avg hr
    4:02 at 164 avg hr
    4:02 at 166 avg hr
    4:02 at 167 avg hr
    4:05 at 165 avg hr
    4:01 at 166 avg hr
    4:02 at 164 avg hr
    3:59 at 166 avg hr
    4:01 at 170 avg hr
    3:59 at 170 avg hr
    3:55 at 171 avg hr max 174 hr


    Overall 24.7km in 1:50. I just took each rep at a time and relaxed on the 2 minute recoveries. I was a bit tired after work and the heart rate was higher than I'd expect. The effort was probably closer to half marathon. The wind picked up during the session which burned a few extra matches. I know I will able to do this kind of session or 12-16km PMP straight with less effort in about 3 months. However it felt like a tough enough session this evening :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭Abhainn


    Nice PMP reps there. Did you do those on the road or on the track. If the latter fair play. You'd be surprised how fast the body will get used to the pace. Is your target sub 2:50 ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    Nice list. Wicklow War is great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    BeepBeep67 wrote: »
    See you at the 50k, what's the plan / target?
    @Beepbeep67 - No target, just using it to get mileage up. Probably 4 hours at a steady pace. Not looking to empty the tank

    I'm planning a sub 4 too, keeping it nice and steady just sub 7:35/mile( or 4:45/km).
    I know a few others planning the same. We should get a group going if there is any interest? Having done this race the past 2 years I know the importance of running in a group (10 laps can get awful boring).


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,082 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I'm planning a sub 4 too, keeping it nice and steady just sub 7:35/mile( or 4:45/km).
    I know a few others planning the same. We should get a group going if there is any interest? Having done this race the past 2 years I know the importance of running in a group (10 laps can get awful boring).

    Sounds like a plan - I'm in the same boat, won't be tapering or recovering.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    @Abhainn - No set target yet. Sub3 is the plan but I aint pinning my mast to a 2:59. I guess the plan is to be in 2:55 shape at least and see how I go from there. Those reps were at 2:50 pace average alright but the heart rate was way too high to consider it possible yet
    @Meno & Beepbeep - Defo lads, sounds good. I will not be tapering either. I will be on a marathon plan and it falls 6 weeks into the plan. It will just be a longer long run than prescribed.

    Swim inc 400m TT
    With just one swim done in the last couple of weeks I figured anything under 6 would be a good starting point. I didn't originally have any intentions of swim TTs but Kurt's thread seemed like a good idea. Existing PB was 5:46 set to establish CSS last spring after a solid winter swim focus.
    300m easy
    6*50m with 25 hard 25 easy
    400m TT in on 5:42 new PB
    2,000m steady in 35 minutes

    3,000m total

    Having the day off meant I could get to the Arena in the middle of the day when quiet. I had a lane to myself so it would be a lonely TT against the clock. After the warm up I took a couple of minutes to psyche up and stretch . The 3 lanes to my left each contained an elite swimmer warming up with long languid strokes and at 1:21 pace average :eek: They barely disturbed the water and looked like 3 machines cruising up and down the lanes. I started the TT with the intention of keeping up with them for a 100m then settling. I actually hit 2:45 at 200m (PB) and was losing them. On their warm up :eek: I had also burned way too many matches and the last 75m in particular was grim. My stroke dissolved into a mess and I mauled the water over the last length. Result 5:42 :) I was surprised to PB but I was wasted afterwards. I took a couple of minutes to recover before an aerobic 2,000m straight. I had planned a run later but instead trapped myself in the Christmas Shopping Chaos


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    400m TT in on 5:42 new PB

    Cracking work for a man not getting in as much swimming as he wants to.

    LC or SC? You normally swim LC but you mention struggling for the last 75m, so just curious.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    BTH wrote: »
    Cracking work for a man not getting in as much swimming as he wants to.

    LC or SC? You normally swim LC but you mention struggling for the last 75m, so just curious.
    LC - I do all of my pool swims at the UL Arena. I remember doing a masters session in a 25m once a week until that pool closed a year ago. 2km set and great session although the times on the feet of proper swimmers was flattering. I think progress will be hard fought from here. Im half thinking of finally getting some lessons!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Im half thinking of finally getting some lessons!

    Hey baby. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Long Run
    30.38km in 2:23 unfuelled. I was heading straight for the proverbial wall for a finish. I ran down to the start of the GLR route and did the first 25km of it. I had zero thought put into the approach. In hindsight a larger breakfast to start if I'm doing the long run later in the day. I started to feel it at 2 hours and the last 4km were a bit of a struggle. I hadn't slept well again last night after some crappy news yesterday. I reckon my legs were also reeling a little from the session on Tuesday. I need to give long runs more consideration and take some water and a gel or two with me. My cadence was a lazy 168 and my heart rate spent most of the time over 150. Not happy with either of those metrics. Ideally I will be running another 20km on top of this at Donadea in 7 weeks and doing it comfortably ahem... :confused::cool:

    Dory Dory wrote: »
    Hey baby. ;)
    Hey yourself, how are you at 1 on 1 ? ;):)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory




    Hey yourself, how are you at 1 on 1 ? ;):)

    Pretty damn good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Hi shotgun! :D
    I have a little challenge for you if you're up to it. ;) As you know, you and I rival each other in our sweettooths (sweetteeth?) and our love for chocolate and ability to consume mass quantities of junk......and we both have our own personal goals in the coming year that we've got our respective eyes on....and I believe we both feel that part of the path to reaching those goals is to curb our weakness for and addiction to the heavenly sugar/stuff-our-faces-with-crap rush.....SOOOOO.....how about we enter into a little wager to see who can stay disciplined and off the dope the longest?

    If you're game, we'll need to come up with a few rules....like when this period of abstinence ends (my goal race is April 15th)....what is and is not allowed (basically, I want to eliminate all candy and junk BUT allow my evening ice cream and "special" baked goods)......if we'll be allowed to "sin" a certain number of times (3 and you're out?).....and what you'll have to do when you lose to me (send me a box of your favorite chocolates?).

    Think about it.....and if you're in then I say we start January 1st. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    @hoochiedoubledee - I accept! Yes we need rules. I have an idea for a wager but maybe too heavy. My goal marathon is a couple of weeks after yours so let's say rule #1 is you only get to sin that day if you hit your goal time. Otherwise you must wait for me to bring it home for us both to celebrate on May 5. Rule #2 7 deadly sins. Total 6 treats between Jan 1 and achieving your goal. Sin a 7th time and you lose. Essentially you have a treat once every 3 weeks. As for the wager, is a box of chocolates motivating enough?


    Swim Session
    It felt good to actually burn a few calories. Once again for the 5th year running I missed the St Stephen's day 10 miler. Some day... I hit the pool this morning for 3k with the masters and a further 1.5k with DaveR1. Despite the absence of training and pure gluttony lately, I felt pretty good. Main set was 4*(200/150/100/50) all done at approx 1:30 pace. I think the added weight gave me more buoyancy!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    @hoochiedoubledee - I accept! Yes we need rules. I have an idea for a wager but maybe too heavy. My goal marathon is a couple of weeks after yours so let's say rule #1 is you only get to sin that day if you hit your goal time. Otherwise you must wait for me to bring it home for us both to celebrate on May 5. Rule #2 7 deadly sins. Total 6 treats between Jan 1 and achieving your goal. Sin a 7th time and you lose. Essentially you have a treat once every 3 weeks. As for the wager, is a box of chocolates motivating enough?

    Woo hoo!! Your rules are totally fine, but I need a few more specifics - like, will I still be able to eat my nightly ice cream? Or are we getting rid of all "treats"? :eek: Not drinking alcohol is no problem for me, but what are your thoughts there? And as far as what kind of motivating carrot to dangle in front of our greedy little bodies....hey, go as big as you want. In for a penny, in for a pound. ;) Oh, and this will certainly take care of Lent for us!! Right? This will count for Lent won't it??


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    The Sugar Junkie Battle 2013
    Dory Dory aka hoochiedoubleD vs shotgunmcos aka Muffin Man

    The purpose of the battle is to create a motivation stimulating enough to keep these two sugar loving, sweet craving, hot people away from the vice until PBs are set firmly down in respective 2013 goal Marathons. See rule #1 for more detail...

    The 7 Deadly Sins are the only only vices allowed between Jan 01 and goal marathons. April 15 and May 5 respectively. That is it, just 7 treats total allowed in that period! Have one every day for a week or one every 3 weeks. See rule #2.1 for more detail...

    The Wager is a sweeter victory than the sweet sins we usually cherish.
    If Muffin Man cracks and sins an 8th time before the marathon OR does not hit marathon target, he must send hoochiedoubleD a good old fashioned letter. The letter must contain the following...
    1 - An eloquent ode to the victor :)
    2 - An interesting tale from my old rowing days
    3 - One of my hard earned rowing medals and the story of how it was won

    If hoochiedoubleD cracks and sins for an 8th time before the marathon on 5th May OR does not hit marathon target, she must do likewise in a similar fashion with a tale and memento from her old swimming days.... :)
    See Rules #2.2 & #3...

    The Rules:
    Rule #0: Absolutely, no icecream or dunking hobnobs every night! Unless its to use up all 7 deadly sins (see Rule #2.2..). This wager also takes care of lent.
    Rule #1: DD can sin freely (see Rule #2.2) on her marathon day, only IF target is achieved. Otherwise must wait until May 5 and hope shotgunmcos brings it home (see Rule #4) for some epic sinning both sides of the Atlantic :D
    Rule #2.1: General sinning. 7 deadly sins allowed. So, for DD Jan 1 to April 15 only 7 treats allowed (Jan1 to May 5 for shotgunmcos) total. All treats to be logged in detail and individually must not exceed 500Kcals. IF you exceed 500Kcals you automatically lose all the other 6 sins BUT can use their calorific worth to the tune of 3,500Kcals for the rest of that one binge :eek: So if you have one event planned that will undoubtedly lead to a binge, you can burn all 7 sins at once! Apart from that individually only and up to a maximum of 500Kcals (see rule#5...)
    Rule #2.2: If DD hits target on April 15, then sin Kcal limit is off and 7 deadly sin rule does not apply. DD can feast like the champ she will be! However, the 7 sins are back in play the next day until May 5.
    Rule #3: If DD does not hit target on April 15, she only has to forfeit IF shotgunmcos does not sin an 8th time and/or doesn't exceed 500Kcals on a second sin and/or hits target on May 5.
    Rule #4 If both hoochiedoubleD and Muffin Man succeed, then nether must forfeit. If either crack before May 5, then the must only forfeit if the other succeeds. If both crack before May 5, then the wager is off or a truce is agreed upon.
    Rule#6: All sinning must be detailed in the respective logs under an honour of truth. Regular visitors to the log, including the opponent are free to ask questions about the sin to check that it was not over 500Kcals and if so under 3,500Kcals :eek: Sins must also be logged in the Confession Box thread.
    Dory Dory wrote: »
    Woo hoo!! Your rules are totally fine, but I need a few more specifics - like, will I still be able to eat my nightly ice cream? Or are we getting rid of all "treats"? :eek: Not drinking alcohol is no problem for me, but what are your thoughts there? And as far as what kind of motivating carrot to dangle in front of our greedy little bodies....hey, go as big as you want. In for a penny, in for a pound. ;) Oh, and this will certainly take care of Lent for us!! Right? This will count for Lent won't it??


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    That's nasty. 500kcals is less than a standard unit in my eyes!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    :eek::eek::eek:
    The first thing that comes to mind is how am I going to find enough calories to replace all the crap I won't be eating!!!! Gosh, by the time Boston rolls around, get me some tan in a can and I'll look like I'm from Kenya!!! So, no ice cream??? But, but, but....I eat ice cream every night before I go to bed. Ah jeez....okay....I'm in. I'm all in.

    But your marathon goal time requirement twist is interesting...and a bit unexpected. I think it is reasonable to allow reasonable modification to this goal time up to a set point in our training - do you agree? We should not be allowed to have the goal time slower than our current PB, but I think if it's obvious "x" number weeks out from the race that in spite of committed training and hard effort that the goal we have set is unattainable, then we should be allowed to reset that goal. What are your thoughts? And, if we both succeed in this contest, then should we do a tie breaker instead of no one losing? A tie breaker such as the person who uses up the least number of sins is the winner?? Let me know your thoughts....until then, bring on the fudge, chocolate cake, ice cream, peanut butter pie, M&Ms, Hershey Kisses.....


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