HEC: Llanelli Scarlets V Leinster, Parc y Scarlets Sat 20th Oct 13:35 Sky Sports 1

dropkickrugby

full back williams in with the elbow on nacewa there on the kick through.

Really dislike that guy, never stops whinging, and pretty dirty.

molloyjh

Fantastic steal from Heaslip there and clever little kick from Sexton.

dropkickrugby

GerM wrote: »

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET A PLAYER GET BACK TO HIS FEET!

You can't go off your feet on top of him. At no point did Nacewa leave his feet. Awful call.

remember this is the ref that did Munster/racing. Im surprised there hasnt been even more worse calls so far

Sexton is playing an absolute master class. He is tormenting the Scarlett's.

thomond2006

This will be a bonus point win for Leinster.

Scioch

Refs are really gonna have to start penalising players for throwing and kicking the ball away. Its being done way too often these days without repercussion.

Scioch

GerM wrote: »

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET A PLAYER GET BACK TO HIS FEET!

You can't go off your feet on top of him. At no point did Nacewa leave his feet. Awful call.

Didnt realise that.

Fishooks12

This 19yo TH looks completely out of his depth, and the ref is letting him away with murder

Tomtom364

dropkickrugby wrote: »

full back williams in with the elbow on nacewa there on the kick through.

Really dislike that guy, never stops whinging, and pretty dirty.

That It think was in retaliation for Nacewa's choke hold on the scrum half which was a high tackle even if it wasnt a penalty for not letting him get up. Still not acceptable, but more understandable.


The ref here is terrible.

ssaye

Madigan kearney like take in the air

randomname2005

GerM wrote: »

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET A PLAYER GET BACK TO HIS FEET!

You can't go off your feet on top of him. At no point did Nacewa leave his feet. Awful call.

I think it might have been called for high

GerM

Heaslip is like bloody action man out there. He's everywhere.

Fishooks12

This is a pathetically inept reffing display, no consistency

Taco Corp

randomname2005 wrote: »

I think it might have been called for high

pretty sure the ref said "you have to let him up"

thomond2006

GerM wrote: »

Heaslip is like bloody action man out there. He's everywhere.

GerM

randomname2005 wrote: »

I think it might have been called for high

Nah, referee went over and actually said to Nacewa "Let him get back to his feet". :P

randomname2005

GerM wrote: »

Nah, referee went over and actually said to Nacewa "Let him get back to his feet". :P

Stream wasn't clear enough to hear that. Apologies. And to captain H too

Tomtom364

GerM wrote: »

Nah, referee went over and actually said to Nacewa "Let him get back to his feet". :P

I think you do have to let them get up, but they also have to make an effort to get up immediatly, cant lie there waiting for you to infringe

ray jay

thomond2006 wrote: »

This will be a bonus point win for Leinster.

I don't know about that, Leinster are still lacking that bit of sharpness required to capitalise on their chances.

ssaye

Heaslip wins terrible lineout break to halfway. Away fans vocal

GerM

Tomtom364 wrote: »

I think you do have to let them get up, but they also have to make an effort to get up immediatly, cant lie there waiting for you to infringe

14.2 PLAYERS ON THEIR FEET
(a) Falling over the player on the ground with the ball. A player must not intentionally fall on or over a player with the ball who is lying on the ground.
Sanction: Penalty kick

Tomtom364

George North is having a howler of a game.

GerM

Needless from Madigan. Had time to glance at the runners.

Surely Leinster should have had advantage there?

Fishooks12

Number 3 clearly sealing off at that ruck, plain as day and no penalty

wicklowwonder

Still sloppy play from Leinster. George North having a howler!! Thinks he is a much better player that he is.

ssaye

Need more scores

Fishooks12

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Still sloppy play from Leinster. George North having a howler!! Thinks he is a much better player that he is.

In what sense?

Scioch

Fishooks12 wrote: »

In what sense?

Thinking he can power past Ross and Healy maybe. He's strong but not that fcukin strong. :pac:

Fishooks12

Ah BOD. Everytime I forget just how good you are you do something like that

ironingbored

18-0 and it will be all over.

Next score vital.

ssaye

Bod turnover well done

thomond2006

Class turnover from BOD.

Fishooks12

Scioch wrote: »

Thinking he can power past Ross and Healy maybe. He's strong but not that fcukin strong. :pac:

That's the type of game he plays. Don't think North is cocky at all really.

Now Williams at 15 on the other hand....

yimrsg

Great defence and work in the breakdown. The whole team has been super.

GerM

Ref waited long enough to give it! Bit of a mad performance from him.

Jenno, McLaughlin, Heaslip and Ross have been very good.

wicklowwonder

Fishooks12 wrote: »

In what sense?

Trying take on the whole Leinster defence on his own.

Fishooks12

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Trying take on the whole Leinster defence on his own.

don't see how that makes him "not as good as he thinks he is"

He's probably the most effective ball carrying wing on the planet, that's his job

Tomtom364

GerM wrote: »

14.2 PLAYERS ON THEIR FEET
(a) Falling over the player on the ground with the ball. A player must not intentionally fall on or over a player with the ball who is lying on the ground.
Sanction: Penalty kick

In which case, how exactly do you tackle a player on the ground?

15.3 BROUGHT TO THE GROUND DEFINED

(a) If the ball carrier has one knee or both knees on the ground, that player has been ‘brought to ground’.and when that player is tackled you must then release them immediatly,

(b) If the ball carrier is sitting on the ground, or on top of another player on the ground the ball carrier has been ‘brought to ground’.

In order to satisfy that definition, the ball carrier must have both knee off the ground in order to be legally tackled.
Aka, you must let them get up onto their feet.

Taco Corp

Tomtom364 wrote: »

In which case, how exactly do you tackle a player on the ground?

15.3 BROUGHT TO THE GROUND DEFINED

(a) If the ball carrier has one knee or both knees on the ground, that player has been ‘brought to ground’.and when that player is tackled you must then release them immediatly,

(b) If the ball carrier is sitting on the ground, or on top of another player on the ground the ball carrier has been ‘brought to ground’.

In order to satisfy that definition, the ball carrier must have both knee off the ground in order to be legally tackled.
Aka, you must let them get up onto their feet.

You don't. Player on his feet has all rights to the ball though so player on the ground has to release it.

19543261

GerM wrote: »

Ref waited long enough to give it! Bit of a mad performance from him.

Jenno, McLaughlin, Heaslip and Ross have been very good.

Nacewa as electric as ever. Seems like nothing he does is halfhearted

wicklowwonder

Fishooks12 wrote: »

don't see how that makes him "not as good as he thinks he is"

He's probably the most effective ball carrying wing on the planet, that's his job

If he had of off loaded was the potential to have men over. Also there was no way he would ever think an outhalf would kick a ball on top of him for the try.

Tomtom364

Captain_Hindsight wrote: »

You don't. Player on his feet has all rights to the ball though so player on the ground has to release it.

Incorrect.

(a) A player with the ball must immediately do one of three things:
• Get up with the ball
• Pass the ball
• Release the ball.


The player on the floor has options, he dosnt HAVE to realease untill an opposition player attempts to play the ball.
obviously in this case the ball carrier chooses to try get up.
So the opposition player will go to tackle him, but in order to satisfy the rules defining tackles, the ball carrier must be taken down to his knees which means he is required to be on his feet at the beginning of the tackle.

You said it yourself, player on his feet has the right to play the ball, not the player, so he must allow the player to get up if the player has begun to attempt to get up

EDIT: might i suggest taking this to the laws thread instead of the match thread?

ssaye

Next score vital big 40-60 min to put it beyond doubt hopefully

wicklowwonder

We had two knock ons in their 22 when we looked like we were about to go through their line. It is frustrating, we just need those balls to stick. If we get another try in the first five mins we will hopefully click and get the bonus!

GerM

Tomtom364 wrote: »

In which case, how exactly do you tackle a player on the ground?

15.3 BROUGHT TO THE GROUND DEFINED

(a) If the ball carrier has one knee or both knees on the ground, that player has been ‘brought to ground’.and when that player is tackled you must then release them immediatly,

(b) If the ball carrier is sitting on the ground, or on top of another player on the ground the ball carrier has been ‘brought to ground’.

In order to satisfy that definition, the ball carrier must have both knee off the ground in order to be legally tackled.
Aka, you must let them get up onto their feet.

I'll disagree. You don't tackle a player on the ground as they're on the ground so it's not necessary. You can grab a hold of them though, drag them to their feet or into touch etc. I'm sure we've all seen a player dragged into touch on countless occasions.

ssaye

Peno scar short

beertons

Great drop kick

ssaye

Jonny drop 45 m quality

A-Train

What a drop!