Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

wheres me jumpa

Rossi.

lordgoat

Pogba and Rav.

PhlegmyMoses

Rooney10 wrote: »

I could have picked this whole thing up arse-ways, but as I understand it:

Lost: £197.5m in the 2010/11 season.
Lost: £97.9m in the 2011/2 (their cost remains ridiculously high but was offset by revenue growth)

They'd have to cut that by another third (roughly) to only lose £35 million per year for 3 years to be complaint. (105/3)

They've a long long way to go. Hopefully they can't "work" the system by having some super "sponsorship" contract (that is really backed by Sheikh Mansour) to artificially boost club revenue.

Source:
http://www.mcfc.com/News/Club-news/2012/December/MCFC-Annual-Report-2011-12

Is it backdated? Seems like a weird thing to do.

Nailz

Gerard Piqué, if only he had to have stayed a year or two longer he would've nailed a first team place in for himself what with the ageing Ferdinand and a Vidic who is picking up frequent injuries. But now of course he's doing pretty well for himself, obviously, with Barça, I'm sure he has no regrets in fairness.

Winston Payne

Him and Fabregas were the same, they were always going to go back.

Professional Griefer

At work tonight I was reading last months fourfourtwo, Rio was being interviewed in it. Wasn't great, but there were a few things in it, one being that United fans showed up at his front door with their faces hidden telling him to sign a new contract.

My favourite part, forget the first part of the question but the end was
"..do you still like a practical joke? Ever done one on Fergie?"

Rio - "....Fergie? No. Ronaldo used to, he'd hide his shoes and stuff, but Ronnie was like his pet so he'd get away with things like that"

Sirsok

Bojan Djordjic I thought was gonna be a quality player but alas it was not to be the case....was great in football manager one year though

Fall_Guy

Thatsfootball wrote: »

Something a bit different, what youth players did ye think were sure to become big stars for Utd, but never did?
Like Macheda when as a 17 y/o looked very promising.

Possebon, Rossi, Eikrem, Pogba, Morrisson are the ones that stand out after the last couple of years. For four of them there were different factors that meant it didn't happen for them (at least at united) but I'm still puzzled as to why Eikrem didn't hang around one more year (or why united didn't want to hold on to him) to see if he would get a sniff of the first team. Very good footballer.

Your Airbag

News round up


Fergie to pick two different UTD teams for the next two matches

"It will be different teams," said Ferguson. "The team on Sunday will not be the same as the team that plays on Wednesday.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8482900/Manchester-United-boss-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-to-pick-two-different-teams


Rather disappointingly Everton star Marouane Fellaini has remarkably told Chelsea to come and make a bid for him, if they want him.

"If Chelsea want to sign me, then they need to come forward with a bid for me," he is quoted by the Sun.
"I have heard about Chelsea's interest but I've honestly not spoken to them.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/8482929/Belgian-international-Marouane-Fellaini-tells-Chelsea-to-make-an-offer


Fergies also had a bit of a moan about how the television fixture schedule is harming Premier League sides' chances of success in Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21391842

That's all for now. News and weather will follow with the next bulletin being at 6.

dahat

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Sorry. People not backing best price is a pet peeve of mine. Drives me mad to see people putting loads of thought into bets and the just taking whatever crap price is offered by their usual bookie, when the alternative takes little effort. I understand for most its just a bit of craic

I'd like to have the finances to get involved in value a bit more but fun bets are where i am just now..
Plenty of money to be made on football bets as opposed to racing etc...

dahat

Team selection for tomorrow anyone?I wonder will he start RVP on the bench.Fully expect Rafael to be benched owing to Fellani

jambofc

wheres me jumpa

Interview with Fabio on Football Focus shortly.

Mitch Connor

Thatsfootball wrote: »

Something a bit different, what youth players did ye think were sure to become big stars for Utd, but never did?
Like Macheda when as a 17 y/o looked very promising.

Morrison, pogba, David jones. Thought those three would be stars. Thought jones would be our captain one day.

Thought eikrem had a shot too.

Thought tunnicliffe and petrucci would become stars, both still at the club but think it is too late for either to make the step up required.

Mitch Connor

Your Airbag wrote: »

News round
Fergie to pick two different UTD teams for the next two matches



http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8482900/Manchester-United-boss-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-to-pick-two-different-teams


Rather disappointingly Everton star Marouane Fellaini has remarkably told Chelsea to come and make a bid for him, if they want him.



http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/8482929/Belgian-international-Marouane-Fellaini-tells-Chelsea-to-make-an-offer


Fergies also had a bit of a moan about how the television fixture schedule is harming Premier League sides' chances of success in Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21391842

That's all for now. News and weather will follow with the next bulletin being at 6.

Of course it will be different teams. Two very different games. PL at home and a massive euro away game. There will be changes but it won't be whole sale changes. Have to remember the next game is reading in the cup on Monday, so plenty of time and opportunity to rest the players aft the Madrid game on Wednesday.

wheres me jumpa

wheres me jumpa wrote: »

Interview with Fabio on Football Focus shortly.

Whoops! Getting my Twitter feeds mixed up here!

Interview is actually in the Independent!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/exclusive-interview-fabio-da-silva-on-leaving-manchester-united-and-brother-rafael-behind-8488065.html

Fergie and Alonso appearing on Football Focus in preview of the Madrid game.

wheres me jumpa

Defiant words from Fergie!

"if you went five years without a trophy, would you feel the pressure?".... "that wouldnt happen."

Mistakes from last season "wont happen again"

Steel Dog

By the sounds of that BBC interview with Fergie its not winning another Champions league/ League title/ Age or anything like that will decide when he calls it a day at Old Trafford. It sounds like as long as he has his health he will remain on.

Nice interview, really shows the mans passion and love for the club.

homerjay2005

worrying Fergie is consider two different teams tomorrow, surely at least 5 or 6 lads can play in both games and then not play against Reading, meaning only 2 games in two weeks.


we need everybody playing tomorrow, have a feeling that he is slightly telling porkies

Kagawa probably wont play tomorrow and RVP perhaps and we have 8 options at the back, so no real worries there.

would expect the following tomorrow -

DDG

Rafael Smalling Vidic Evra
Nani Carrick Anderon Giggs
Rooney Hernandez

DM_7

I wouldn't put much faith in SAFs talk about playing two different teams.

He probably wants Moyes to think it will be a 'weaker' 11 against them and then Mourinho trying to guess who he will on the Wednesday.

I was expecting two different teams now I'm less inclined to think it will happen:)

Blatter

De Gea
Evra
Ferdinand
Evans
Smalling
Vidic
Jones (if fit)
Rafael
Carrick
Anderson
Cleverley
Giggs
Nani
Valencia
Young
Kagawa
Welbeck
Rooney
RvP
Hernandez


There are 20 players there (19 definitely fit), and all of them are good enough to be beating Everton at home. Why wouldn't SAF use the squad and do everything in his power to have his starting 11 for the Madrid game (our hardest and most important game of the season) in peak condition?

I predict around 7/8 changes.

Mitch Connor

Of course it will be two different teams. Different teams does not mean two different 11s.

Reckon rafael will sit out tomorrow with smallng coming in for height. Rio or vidic will be rested due to fitness concerns. Sure there could be other tactical changes.

When was the last time fergie put out the same team two games running? Certainly doesn't happen often.

Copper_pipe

Pogba says he has no regrets over leaving united, and says scholes coming out of retirement was the final straw.

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/8483179/Scholes-return-saw-Pogba-quit

PhlegmyMoses

Fergie will see the Everton game as winnable with a supposedly weaker squad. He'll also be less upset over losing or drawing the Everton game considering our lead at the top than he would be losing to Madrid. Changing a good number of players will be a calculated risk.

kryogen

He will want to beat Everton and will put out a team capable pf doing that, with RVP on the bench in case of emergency, We have a squad more then capable of beating them

DM_7

I meant it in the sense of two completely different line ups. Initially I was thinking 7/8 changes. Now more like 3/4.

I would expect the stronger side on Wednesday. I'm not fussed either way as SAF will do what he needs to do.

Giggsy11

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Pogba says he has no regrets over leaving united, and says scholes coming out of retirement was the final straw.

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/8483179/Scholes-return-saw-Pogba-quit

"He obviously thought I didn't deserve the contract I asked for, and didn't put me in the team even though he had no midfield players. It was his choice.

Good to see him saying things that others wouldn't have.

Blatter

Link for interview with SAF.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21390317

Jax Teller

After that interview with Football Focus . I'm convinced he'll play a strong team and make sure the game is won before making any changes.

Nemanja91

Henriquez on the bench yet again.

kryogen

I dont mind the approach Martinez has taken with him so far, just hope his minutes dont get too limited now Kone is back.

homerjay2005

jaysus Bale certainly has raised the bar over the last few weeks, he was amazing again today.

can Spurs hold on to him? cant see us ever going for him anyway after buying Zaha, the only way we could afford him was with that money plus whatever we would get for Nani leaving, but its not going to happen eitherway.

Jimmy Iovine

homerjay2005 wrote: »

jaysus Bale certainly has raised the bar over the last few weeks, he was amazing again today.

can Spurs hold on to him? cant see us ever going for him anyway after buying Zaha, the only way we could afford him was with that money plus whatever we would get for Nani leaving, but its not going to happen eitherway.

We were never going to be able to afford him, not with Daniel Levy in charge of the deals there. He's going to milk every penny out of Bale if and when he leaves.

I reckon only Barca, PSG or Madrid could afford him.

Liam O

Really should start the same team in the same positions in both games imo, the odds of significant injuries are minuscule and the team will need some time to get used to each other if only 90 minutes. There has been a huge lack of understanding in the players recently and he can take off the big players if it's all going to plan too.

CR 7

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

We were never going to be able to afford him, not with Daniel Levy in charge of the deals there. He's going to milk every penny out of Bale if and when he leaves.

I reckon only Barca, PSG or Madrid could afford him.

He'd be a good replacement for Ronaldo.:D

PhlegmyMoses

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

We were never going to be able to afford him, not with Daniel Levy in charge of the deals there. He's going to milk every penny out of Bale if and when he leaves.

I reckon only Barca, PSG or Madrid could afford him.

I reckon £35m would buy him. He won't leave this summer and the following summer he'll have just over two years left on his contract so he's not as heavily contracted up as Modric was. I expect us to be involved if he does want to leave.

PhlegmyMoses

Liam O wrote: »

Really should start the same team in the same positions in both games imo, the odds of significant injuries are minuscule and the team will need some time to get used to each other if only 90 minutes. There has been a huge lack of understanding in the players recently and he can take off the big players if it's all going to plan too.

I agree with this. Barca rarely changed their team over the last couple of years and played back to back games without a huge amount of injury or fatigue.

KombuchaMshroom

Ferguson with watery eyes towards the end of the interview as he talks about retirement, his age, health etc.

Cypher_sounds

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I agree with this. Barca rarely changed their team over the last couple of years and played back to back games without a huge amount of injury or fatigue.

Personally i think its easier for a barca player to play back to back games because the physical demands of la liga football is less than the premier league and less likely to be injured by a bad tackle.

PhlegmyMoses

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Personally i think its easier for a barca player to play back to back games because the physical demands of la liga football is less than the premier league and less likely to be injured by a bad tackle.

Barca run far more on average than United. It would also be a risk you would have to make a call on - whether or not a player would get injured. It's not a huge risk imo.

Jimmy Iovine

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Personally i think its easier for a barca player to play back to back games because the physical demands of la liga football is less than the premier league and less likely to be injured by a bad tackle.

I'd say it has more to do with the amount of possession that they have. They've an average of something like 70% possession. That's outrageous. I know they work hard when they don't have the ball, but they don't expend half as much energy as most teams who play against them I reckon.

bucketybuck

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

I'd say it has more to do with the amount of possession that they have.

And the drugs of course.

Liam O

Petrucci has apparently just scored a "screamer" for Peterborough.

ShaunC

CR 7 wrote: »

He'd be a good replacement for Ronaldo.:D

With Ronaldo on his way home to Utd.:D

ShaunC

CR 7 wrote: »

He'd be a good replacement for Ronaldo.:D

With Ronaldo on his way home to Utd.:D
Then we could sell Nani to spurs;):D

hufpc8w3adnk65

ShaunC wrote: »

With Ronaldo on his way home to Utd.:D

We can dream

Vic Vinegar

C'mon The Saints!

The_Kew_Tour

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

C'mon The Saints!

Blow the whistle ref

Timmyctc

A real Puncheon the nads for City there ... ... Ill get my coat

Mitch Connor

So if Fergie does do the irritatingly unthinkable and stupid, and make god damned whole sale changes between Everton and Real, what you reckon the teams will be?

I'm saying:

Everton

---

Lindegaard
Smalling---Ferdinand--Evans---Buttner
Valencia

---

Anderson---Carrick---Nani

---

Welbeck--Hernandez

Real Madrid

---

De Gea
Rafael

---

Ferdinand

---

Vidic

---

Evra
Valencia-Cleverley-Carrick-Kagawa-Rooney

---

Van Persie

Can't think of how to replace Valencia and Carrick - I personally don't think we'll be seeing Jones or Young in the short, for either Everton/Madrid game anyway.

Also don't think we'll get a result with that team vs Everton.