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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*

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    #3632
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What about this one. What do you think of Stephen Donnelly campaigning to keep small schools in Wicklow open. Do you think that would be a good use of public resources. Would you support government ministers doing the same in their constituencies?

    http://www.greystonesguide.ie/donnelly-calls-for-greater-protection-for-wicklows-small-rural-schools/

    See, I can take the thread off in an irrelevant direction just like you do all the time.

    What is it about the 'pro brigade'? Bar a few the pro'ers in general are very arrogant when raising their POV. Yes, I can also be obnoxious:o but I all for listening to both sides of the argument. Vlad comes across as reasonable. But there are some others who just want to troll all the time. I totally ignore one such poster.

    Can we not please raise our POV's without becoming arrogant?


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    #3633
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,927 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    darkhorse wrote: »
    pitkan wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/town-councillor-charged-with-deceit-over-conference-expenses-3331994.html
    [/QUOTE]

    I have to say, it lifted me a bit when I heard said councillor was granted free legal aid. That was my biggest worry.

    He was a Fianna Fail councillor but left or was dropped 5 months ago. You couldn't have a councillor dragging Fianna Fail through the mire now, could you? :rolleyes:
    Back to the future for FF.
    It just confirms that they are all the same FF = FG =Labour.


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    #3634
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,927 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    Exactly. He can well afford to pay the charge, yet he refuses to do so. So he'll get very little sympathy around here. Remind you of anyone G-Man??? ;-)

    Fidelma ?


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    #3635
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    dvpower wrote: »

    Mind you, I don't recall his election campaign being particularly focussed on the unemployed and DSW recipients.

    Tell me then, who sticks out in your mind as having pledged to protect social welfare recipients.


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    #3636
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    darkhorse wrote: »
    Tell me then, who sticks out in your mind as having pledged to protect social welfare recipients.

    Like the true lapdog he is, Gilmore followed in Ednas footsteps in the Dail.

    Legitimately challenged by Mary Lou, happy Gilmore stuttered and stammered then came up with the usual anti-SF slur.

    This countries future, it's in the hands of amateurs and clowns.

    Two parties determined to see themselves wiped from the political map imo.


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    #3637
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Like the true lapdog he is, Gilmore followed in Ednas footsteps today.

    Legitimately challenged by Mary Lou, happy Gilmore stuttered and stammered then came up with the usual anti-SF slur.

    This countries future, it's in the hands of amateurs and clowns.

    Two parties determined to see themselves wiped from the political map imo.

    Think that's good Ghandee?

    Anyone listen to Pat Kenny this morning? Some researcher went out to Zambia to assess how the Irish aid was being put to use - when they don't syphon off €4M.

    Turns out that Zambia doesn't need Irish aid, but they just kept taking what was being thrown at them blindly. The overseas minister was gobsmacked - first He had heard of it.

    Accountability? Irish governmentS don't know the meaning of the word. The way I read it: 'As long as I'M allright jack, screw the person in the street'.:mad:


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    #3638
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    Think that's good Ghandee?

    Anyone listen to Pat Kenny this morning? Some researcher went out to Zambia to assess how the Irish aid was being put to use - when they don't syphon off €4M.

    Turns out that Zambia doesn't need Irish aid, but they just kept taking what was being thrown at them blindly. The overseas minister was gobsmacked - first He had heard of it.

    Accountability? Irish governmentS don't know the meaning of the word. The way I read it: 'As long as I'M allright jack, screw the person in the street'.:mad:

    Unfknblievable.......

    Jesus...............

    €4m to folk who don't need it, respite carers left in the lurch.......

    Gombeen Govt.


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    #3639
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Like the true lapdog he is, Gilmore followed in Ednas footsteps in the Dail.

    Legitimately challenged by Mary Lou, happy Gilmore stuttered and stammered then came up with the usual anti-SF slur.

    This countries future, it's in the hands of amateurs and clowns.

    Ain't dail privilege great. You can spend the whole working day slandering people, without any retribution.


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    #3640
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Does anyone here, apart from me. worry that because of this government's decision on the property tax in particular, that there is the potential of criminalising possibly hundred's of thousand's of people, that through no fault of their own may not be able to afford to pay it, people that probably would pay if they were in a position to do so financially, people that otherwise may never have been in any sort of trouble with the law.
    Obviously, it is not going to have any effect on the relatives of the TDs that voted it in, or they would'nt have put it through, as I am sure they must have thought long and hard about it, before they voted.
    I'd also like to hear the views of the people here that advocate the payment, ie. how does this aspect of the non-payment in these circumstances that I've mentioned sit with you people. The other thing I want to say, is, that we know that there is over 300,000 people out of work since the recession, well why then can we not get any more than 20,000 on a peaceful protest, cause if only a quarter of the people thats out of work was to protest outside LH, they would be heard. I just cant figure it out. Maybe people are so bewildered with the governance that they see, rises in PS/CS, bankers etc, that they just gave up. I do know that something has gotta give.


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    #3641
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    darkhorse wrote: »
    Does anyone here, apart from me. worry that because of this government's decision on the property tax in particular, that there is the potential of criminalising possibly hundred's of thousand's of people, that through no fault of their own may not be able to afford to pay it, people that probably would pay if they were in a position to do so financially, people that otherwise may never have been in any sort of trouble with the law.
    Obviously, it is not going to have any effect on the relatives of the TDs that voted it in, or they would'nt have put it through, as I am sure they must have thought long and hard about it, before they voted.
    I'd also like to hear the views of the people here that advocate the payment, ie. how does this aspect of the non-payment in these circumstances that I've mentioned sit with you people. The other thing I want to say, is, that we know that there is over 300,000 people out of work since the recession, well why then can we not get any more than 20,000 on a peaceful protest, cause if only a quarter of the people thats out of work was to protest outside LH, they would be heard. I just cant figure it out. Maybe people are so bewildered with the governance that they see, rises in PS/CS, bankers etc, that they just gave up. I do know that something has gotta give.

    they are probably forced to look after numero uno like they are being forced to, **** you jack im alright is being drilled into them.


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    #3642
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Unfknblievable.......

    Jesus...............

    €4m to folk who don't need it, respite carers left in the lurch.......

    Gombeen Govt.

    Ini all fairness to this government Ghandee, the guy made reference to the last lot too. He also said that yes the person in the street is poor, but the coffers in the government there is awash with money.

    Sound familiar?:pac:


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    #3643
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    darkhorse wrote: »
    Ain't dail privilege great. You can spend the whole working day slandering people, without any retribution.
    Your talking about Mary Lou, right?
    She used Dali privilege yesterday to make an allegation of corruption against James Reilly. He challenged her repeatedly to repeat the allegation outside the dail, but she wouldn't dare.

    You have to hand it to the Shinners, blood dripping from their hands. They have some neck.


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    #3644
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Slick50 wrote: »

    Not if satisfaction ratings are replicated at an election

    Satisfaction levels don't tell us anything about voting intentions. That's why they have specific polling questions for that.

    I might be dissatisfied with a party, but even more dissatisfied with a potential alternative. Or I might even be satisfied by the performance of an opposition party, in opposition, but I wouldn't want to see them get power.


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    #3645
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    The names for this tax - "Household Charge"; "Property Tax" are classic Orwellian newspeak. Especially "Property Tax", which makes it sound like a tax on wealthy developers.
    This is a Family Home Tax, and should be so called.
    I haven't paid it, but probably will; it's better to pay it and fight it legally than risk being knocked off your bike and killed and leaving a legal rat's nest for your heirs.


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    #3646
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    This is a Family Home Tax, and should be so called.

    It also applies to Landlords, so its much wider than just the 'Family Home'


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    #3647
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    dvpower wrote: »
    It also applies to Landlords, so its much wider than just the 'Family Home'

    Isn't the landlord version the Second Home Tax?

    (Knowing Irish landlords, it'll be subsumed into the rent anyway...)


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    #3648
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    Isn't the landlord version the Second Home Tax?

    (Knowing Irish landlords, it'll be subsumed into the rent anyway...)
    Landlords pay both.


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    #3649
    Sligoronan
    Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Sligoronan


    Coming in here at the end but left the states last year and lived in a small town in NJ there and property tax on our home was $9980 for the year. We were allowed to pay it every 3 months.
    Don't forget that started one day at a few hundred as well. Can't understand why we are so quite as a people to let this be shoved down our throat.


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    #3650
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Actually I think "Family Home Tax" is less accurate than Property Tax. You can have a family home that isn't liable for it.


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    #3651
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Actually I think "Family Home Tax" is less accurate than Property Tax. You can have a family home that isn't liable for it.

    Please run through that one for me, how does that work?


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    #3652
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    The names for this tax - "Household Charge"; "Property Tax" are classic Orwellian newspeak. Especially "Property Tax", which makes it sound like a tax on wealthy developers.
    This is a Family Home Tax,/Croke park agreement tax, and should be so called.
    I haven't paid it, but probably will; it's better to pay it and fight it legally than risk being knocked off your bike and killed and leaving a legal rat's nest for your heirs.

    Don't forget that one too.


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    #3653
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Please run through that one for me, how does that work?

    You can rent property.


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    #3654
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    You can rent property.

    Well then that's a spurious argument, and you know it.


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    #3655
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    How so?


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    #3656
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    How so?

    Two things wrong with it actually.
    You said.
    You can have a family home that isn't liable for it.
    the highlighted 'you' being wrong, as you won't own that home, you're merely renting it.

    Besides that, that 'rented family home' will more than likely be liable for a property tax, that the renter will be paying via his monthly rent, or the landlord will be paying himself (unlikely).


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    #3657
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    Your talking about Mary Lou, right?
    She used Dali privilege yesterday to make an allegation of corruption against James Reilly. He challenged her repeatedly to repeat the allegation outside the dail, but she wouldn't dare.

    James, whiter than white Reilly?

    No sir, no corruption here :rolleyes:

    He was caught with the trousers down DV man up and accept it.

    He should really do the decent thing now and step aside.

    dvpower wrote: »
    You have to hand it to the Shinners, blood dripping from their hands. They have some neck.

    There would be a few closer to govt parties with blood on their hands, but we'll nor mention that eh.


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    #3658
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    It doesn't matter if you own it or not, the fact remains that it can still be used as a family home.

    The inverse also applies. Properties that aren't family homes are liable for the tax too.


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    #3659
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Actually I think "Family Home Tax" is less accurate than Property Tax. You can have a family home that isn't liable for it.
    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if you own it or not, the fact remains that it can still be used as a family home.

    That will still be liable for a tax placed over it, even LA houses are liable for the tax, with the LA paying the charge, so like I said. Spurious argument.


    Well now, this is getting confusing....
    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    The inverse also applies. Properties that aren't family homes are liable for the tax too.

    :confused::confused:

    Which is it?


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    #3660
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    You are not liable. The property owner is.


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    #3661
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    You are not liable. The property owner is.


    OK so....
    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Actually I think "Family Home Tax" is less accurate than Property Tax. You can't own a family home that isn't liable for it.

    FYP


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