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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*

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    #3662
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Spot on. That's what I've been saying all along. You can have family home you don't own.


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    #3663
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    There would be a few closer to govt parties with blood on their hands, but we'll nor mention that eh.
    I honestly have no idea who you are referring to. Or why.


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    #3664
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    I honestly have no idea who you are referring to. Or why.

    Ah come on, now have a think about it....


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    #3665
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Ah come on, now have a think about it....
    You're getting very cryptic. Why don't you just spit it out.


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    #3666
    spikethedog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 209 ✭✭spikethedog


    At the time when Gilmore was a member of Official Sinn Fein.

    21 June 1973 David Walker (16) Protestant
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Found shot in entry off O'Neill Street, Falls, Belfast.

    25 September 1973 Seamus Larkin (34) Catholic Status: ex-Official Irish Republican Army (xOIRA), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Found shot in laneway, Flagstaff, near Killeen, County Armagh. Internal OIRA dispute.

    11 January 1974 Cecilia Byrne (53) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Civilian employed by British Army (BA). Killed by bomb attached to car which exploded shortly after leaving Ebrington British Army (BA) base, Waterside, Derry.

    11 January 1974 John Dunne (46) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Civilian employed by British Army (BA). Killed by bomb attached to car which exploded shortly after leaving Ebrington British Army (BA) base, Waterside, Derry.

    13 January 1974 Christopher Daly (43) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Found shot in entry, off Balholm Drive, Ardoyne, Belfast.

    02 June 1974 Paul Tinnelly (34) Catholic
    Status: ex-Official Irish Republican Army (xOIRA), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Shot at his home, The Square, Rostrevor, County Down. Internal OIRA dispute.

    06 September 1974 William Elliott (48) Protestant Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Shot during armed robbery at Ulster Bank, The Diamond, Rathcoole, Newtownabbey, County Antrim.


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    #3667
    spikethedog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 209 ✭✭spikethedog


    Eamon Gilmore as President of the Student Union, joined the UCG Republican Club, which was affiliated to Official Sinn Féin, subsequently "Sinn Féin the Workers’ Party" and later renamed the Workers' Party. In recent years he was accused of being evasive on the subject and trying to play down that he had joined the Official Republican Movement, stating that "the party was in the process of becoming the Workers' Party at that time, I can't recall exactly the dates." Using both names, the Workers' Party's links with the proclaimed terrorist organisation the Official Irish Republican Army throughout the 1970s is well established.


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    #3668
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    spikethedog wrote: »
    At the time when Gilmore was a member of Official Sinn Fein.

    21 June 1973 David Walker (16) Protestant
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Found shot in entry off O'Neill Street, Falls, Belfast.

    25 September 1973 Seamus Larkin (34) Catholic Status: ex-Official Irish Republican Army (xOIRA), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Found shot in laneway, Flagstaff, near Killeen, County Armagh. Internal OIRA dispute.

    11 January 1974 Cecilia Byrne (53) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Civilian employed by British Army (BA). Killed by bomb attached to car which exploded shortly after leaving Ebrington British Army (BA) base, Waterside, Derry.

    11 January 1974 John Dunne (46) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Civilian employed by British Army (BA). Killed by bomb attached to car which exploded shortly after leaving Ebrington British Army (BA) base, Waterside, Derry.

    13 January 1974 Christopher Daly (43) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Found shot in entry, off Balholm Drive, Ardoyne, Belfast.

    02 June 1974 Paul Tinnelly (34) Catholic
    Status: ex-Official Irish Republican Army (xOIRA), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Shot at his home, The Square, Rostrevor, County Down. Internal OIRA dispute.

    06 September 1974 William Elliott (48) Protestant Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) Shot during armed robbery at Ulster Bank, The Diamond, Rathcoole, Newtownabbey, County Antrim.

    All of which has nothing to do with the Household Charge or Property Tax.


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    #3669
    spikethedog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 209 ✭✭spikethedog


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    All of which has nothing to do with the Household Charge or Property Tax.

    Very true. Just in reply to a previous posters point.


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    #3670
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    All of which has nothing to do with the Household Charge or Property Tax.

    Tell your spokesperson DV that so, he brought the 'blood dripping' comment into it.

    Besides, ironically enough. It wasn't even happy Gilmore I was referring to.


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    #3671
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Tell your spokesperson DV that so, he brought the 'blood dripping' comment into it.

    Besides, ironically enough. It wasn't even happy Gilmore I was referring to.

    So who was it that you were referring to?


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    #3672
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    donalg1 wrote: »
    So who was it that you were referring to?

    As DNC rightly pointed out, its irrelevant who I was referring to, but the fact remains that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    If any of the coalition parties want to sling mud, they'd do well to look within their own parties first.


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    #3673
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Ghandee wrote: »
    As DNC rightly pointed out, its irrelevant who I was referring to, but the fact remains that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    If any of the coalition parties want to sling mud, they'd do well to look within their own parties first.

    Yes its off topic but surely if you are going to make an accusation like that you should at least back it up with something, otherwise we could all just start making stuff up.

    It would be much easier for you to just name the person you were referring to or retract the comment altogether.


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    #3674
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Yes its off topic but surely if you are going to make an accusation like that you should at least back it up with something, otherwise we could all just start making stuff up.

    It would be much easier for you to just name the person you were referring to or retract the comment altogether    .

    Donal, you come across as an intelligent enough individual.

    Use google, it'll put you out of your misery. If you want dirt on any political party, its there to be found.


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    #3675
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Donal, you come across as an intelligent enough individual.

    Use google, it'll put you out of your misery. If you want dirt on any political party, its there to be found.

    I just googled "who was Ghandee referring to in his post earlier today?" but it didnt give me an answer, so seeing as I have a direct line to the source maybe you could just tell me.

    Googled here


    .


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    #3676
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    donalg1 wrote: »
    I just googled "who was Ghandee referring to in his post earlier today?" but it didnt give me an answer, so seeing as I have a direct line to the source maybe you could just tell me.

    Curiosity killed the cat Donal.


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    #3677
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    There's a lot of whataboutery on this thread.

    Ghandee wrote: »
    Use google, it'll put you out of your misery. If you want dirt on any political party, its there to be found.

    You can find all sorts of stuff on the internet, not all of it true.


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    #3678
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    dvpower wrote: »

    You have to hand it to the Shinners, blood dripping from their hands.

    You obviously have strong proof of this, to say it on an internet forum.


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    #3679
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Sligoronan wrote: »
    Coming in here at the end but left the states last year and lived in a small town in NJ there and property tax on our home was $9980 for the year. We were allowed to pay it every 3 months.
    Don't forget that started one day at a few hundred as well. Can't understand why we are so quite as a people to let this be shoved down our throat.


    welcome to Boards Ronan! can you tell the lads what happens if you cant afford to pay that $9980?


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    #3680
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    darkhorse wrote: »
    “An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.”
    Martin Luther King jr

    any chance that this debicle could unearth another martin luther king.


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    #3681
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,927 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Actually I think "Family Home Tax" is less accurate than Property Tax. You can have a family home that isn't liable for it.

    I think the pro side don't like the term "Family Home Tax" because it looks bad.

    I and many others consider it a "Family Home Tax" because the vast majority of the people who will end up paying it will pay it on their family home.

    Either way Property or Family Home it is just not right.


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    #3682
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    darkhorse wrote: »
    You obviously have strong proof of this, to say it on an internet forum.
    I do. The current leading members of the party include convicted terrorists.
    bgrizzley wrote: »
    welcome to Boards Ronan! can you tell the lads what happens if you cant afford to pay that $9980?
    Or if you just refuse to pay it.


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    #3683
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    dvpower wrote: »
    Or if you just refuse to pay it.

    true that
    dvpower wrote: »
    I do. The current leading members of the party include convicted terrorists.

    im not a fan of SF but you must admit that the Kenny throwing it at them every chance he gets just to deflect from answering simple questions makes him look very stupid. its childish to say the least.

    anyway isnt FGs own history steeped in the blood of their brothers and fellow Irishmen?


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    #3684
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    anyway isnt FGs own history steeped in the blood of their brothers and fellow Irishmen?
    It is. I wouldn't hold someone responsible for the actions of someone they never even met, just because they joined the same political party a few generations later.
    SF are a different kettle of fish, as it has members in leadership roles who have personally been convicted of terrorist offences.


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    #3685
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if you own it or not, the fact remains that it can still be used as a family home.

    Until the landlord has a better offer, or may want it for his/her own family/relatives, or the renter may just not be in a position to pay for it anymore, due to unforseen financial constraints, oh, I dunno, maybe like the renter losing his/her job. I've seen it happen, unfortunately. So, yes, it really does matter, unless its a LA dwelling, then I would have no hesitation in referring to it as a family home, but with a private rented accommodation, there's alway a certain unsurety, in my experience.


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    #3686
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    It is. I wouldn't hold someone responsible for the actions of someone they never even met, just because they joined the same political party a few generations later.
    SF are a different kettle of fish, as it has members in leadership roles who have personally been convicted of terrorist offences.

    I'm looking at labour here......

    Enda has no problem doing business with them......

    Even pays a wage to them.


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    #3687
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I'm looking at labour here......

    Enda has no problem doing business with them......

    Even pays a wage to them.
    Its more and more cryptic you're getting Ghandee :confused:


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    #3688
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    But surely in looking at Labour's historical connection with the old Sinn Féin in its various splits, and looking at Fine Gael's history of judicial murder in the early years of the State, and Fianna Fáil's floggings and executions in the slightly later early years, we're doing exactly what Enda Kenny does when he takes out a bloodied flag and waves it any time someone asks an inconvenient question?

    It's a method of argument I've always thought of as quintessentially male: if you find yourself on weak ground, quickly switch the argument to one where your ground is stronger.


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    #3689
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    You can rent property.

    You are correct there. In fact, according to the governments own decisions on exemptions, you may rent a hundred properties, and you're exempt payment, but on the other hand, own one family home, and you're liable.


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    #3690
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    dvpower wrote: »
    I do.

    Can you show it to me?


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    #3691
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    darkhorse wrote: »
    Can you show it to me?

    Evidence of Sinn Fein and terrorism links is just a google away.


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