Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] Poll Reset

Am Chile · 24-12-2012 1:34am

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Sorry to hear about your situation unfortunately it's not uncommon or restricted to Public Sector workers. I've seen people who work in the hotel and retail sectors here get some awful abuse. There are just people out there who treat their fellow human beings as commodities and with little respect. I think I readd that there had been a substantial number of taxi drivers who have taken their own lives in recent years.

It is very sad to read of anyone take their own lives, hopefully this latest tragedy will finally get this country to do something about bullying and mental health.

Since the story broke, some people on Internet threads have commented about a form of bullying put Shane under stress--being blunt and straight to the point shane made unfavourable remarks about carers post budget when a lot of people were angry about the budget--what the fcuk did he expect ? not to receive any Criticism or blowback whatsoever about his remarks ? when someone is the line of work of being a public rep and a politician, when they Implement policies a lot of people don,t agree with, when they look down their noses at people, when they treat people with complete utter contempt, Criticism is gonna come their way whether they like it or lump it, they are not Immune from Criticism.

Bullseye1 · 24-12-2012 1:45am

Critisim can be levelled with some level of respect even if its directed towards individuals who have not shown similar levels of respect. Makin death treats and shouting at the top of ones voice is both stupid and ineffective. It also threatens legitimate protest.

dvpower · 24-12-2012 2:01am

cosbloodymick wrote: »

I am a frontline public servant. Two of my colleagues died of suicide this year and I have no doubt that the abuse that public srvants have received in the media was a factor in their deaths. I know it affects me greatly.

This is a very welcome post.
I understand that people are pissed off with the Government and they want to vent a bit. But there is far too much bile on this site and elsewhere on social media

Only a while ago, someone posted a photograph of a woman, obviously a civil servant in Philip Hogan's department having a drink with him after work, and she was abused on this site being as a tart, amongst other things.
This bile was completely accepted by others here.

Very unfortunate.

tayto lover · 24-12-2012 2:03am

dvpower wrote: »

This is a very welcome post.
I understand that people are pissed off with the Government and they want to vent a bit. But there is far too much bile on this site and elsewhere on social media

Only a while ago, someone posted a photograph of a woman, obviously a civil servant in Philip Hogan's department having a drink with him after work, and she was abused on this site being as a tart, amongst other things.
This bile was completely accepted by others here.

Very unfortunate.

Was that the same one he had his arms around in Doha?

dvpower · 24-12-2012 2:19am

tayto lover wrote: »

Was that the same one he had his arms around in Doha?

That's the one (he didn't have his arms around her, but feel free to perpetuate the lie).

She is a public servant in his department as far as I'm aware.
She was slandered most disgracefully. Apparently proximity is now considered to be a crime

mikom · 24-12-2012 2:22am

dvpower wrote: »

That's the one (he didn't have his arms around her, but feel free to perpetuate the lie).

She is a public servant in his department as far as I'm aware.
She was slandered most disgracefully. Apparently proximity is now considered to be a crime

Proximity of hand to arse?..... http://www.joe.ie/uploads/story/31231/Hogan%20pic.jpg

dvpower wrote: »

he didn't have his arms around her, but feel free to perpetuate the lie

Really?

dvpower · 24-12-2012 2:43am

mikom wrote: »

Proximity of hand to arse?..... http://www.joe.ie/uploads/story/31231/Hogan%20pic.jpg

Really?

Mikom, have you thought for even one moment how that person might feel about your crass innuendo?

dvpower · 24-12-2012 2:45am

tayto lover wrote: »

There seems to be a lack of morals around these days, especially in politics.
The last election proved that.

How? 'cos your lot lost?

mikom · 24-12-2012 4:18am

dvpower wrote: »

Mikom, have you thought for even one moment how that person might feel about your crass innuendo?

Have you eyes in your head?

Le_Dieux · 24-12-2012 8:19am

Meantime, seems the IMF even see the light. Wonder how Kenny will BS His way out of this one to look after His buddies?:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/imf-warns-coalition-on-high-pay-in-civil-service-3334495.html#disqus_thread

Bullseye1 · 24-12-2012 10:12am

Hogan really does take the piss with all of these little trips away paid by the tax payer. What is an Environmental Minster doing in Doha? Maybe he would be better off working to pay off the money he owes on his apartment in Portugal.

goose_gladwell · 24-12-2012 10:18am

Am Chile wrote: »

Since the story broke, some people on Internet threads have commented about a form of bullying put Shane under stress--being blunt and straight to the point shane made unfavourable remarks about carers post budget when a lot of people were angry about the budget--what the fcuk did he expect ? not to receive any Criticism or blowback whatsoever about his remarks ? when someone is the line of work of being a public rep and a politician, when they Implement policies a lot of people don,t agree with, when they look down their noses at people, when they treat people with complete utter contempt, Criticism is gonna come their way whether they like it or lump it, they are not Immune from Criticism.

were at a stage now where a sizeable percentage of the public see its as their inaliable right to use politicans as punchbags

tayto lover · 24-12-2012 10:18am

dvpower wrote: »

How? 'cos your lot lost?

No I stupidly voted for this lot, FF 2. First and last time. They promised to bring honesty and integrity into politics :rolleyes:

tayto lover · 24-12-2012 10:19am

mikom wrote: »

Have you eyes in your head?

Yes but it's hard to tell if he's lying into her or she's lying into him.
We're back to the lying thing again.

Bullseye1 · 24-12-2012 10:28am

In fairness it does look they are posing for a camera elsewhere. The photograph on the paper is poor looks like it was taken without their knowledge.

I'm not really concerned what Hogan gets up to his personal life unless its at the countries expense. Sending a large delegation to Doha for some UN (another gravy train) convention when sending one person would have sufficed shows this government is still living in the clouds yet are telling us how much trouble we are in.

Le_Dieux · 24-12-2012 10:32am

goose_gladwell wrote: »

were at a stage now where a sizeable percentage of the public see its as their inaliable right to use politicans as punchbags

Well, it's these 'punchbags' that are destroying this country - not just the shower in power now I am referring to. They are getting so well paid, with added perks for their 'efforts'.

I'm not for being hounded by the media, but one should think carefully why one goes into politics, or any public life.

goose_gladwell · 24-12-2012 10:36am

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Well, it's these 'punchbags' that are destroying this country - not just the shower in power now I am referring to. They are getting so well paid, with added perks for their 'efforts'.

I'm not for being hounded by the media, but one should think carefully why one goes into politics, or any public life.

destroying the country in what way

bgrizzley · 24-12-2012 10:43am

they got E100 of ye, maybe treble that next time out(if you're lucky). now they are using that database to eye up your childrens allowance. what will be next? the world is their oyster with this new database. a self registered list of compliant people who are open to all kinds of taxes.
glad im not on it.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/housecharge-database-to-help-tax-child-benefit-3335438.html

Le_Dieux · 24-12-2012 10:46am

goose_gladwell wrote: »

destroying the country in what way

Let me see:

Taking €3.1Billion out of the economy, and how the money is being removed from the economy, while they ( the govt) go and rub our faces in the mire by still paying themselves excessively. There are too many wrongs here. One leads by EXAMPLE, this lot are doing anything but! Can we all go off to Doha and have a woman snuggle up to us, when we have no business being there in the first place?

Le_Dieux · 24-12-2012 10:48am

bgrizzley wrote: »

they got E100 of ye, maybe treble that next time out(if you're lucky). now they are using that database to eye up your childrens allowance. what will be next? the world is their oyster with this new database. a self registered list of compliant people who are open to all kinds of taxes.
glad im not on it.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/housecharge-database-to-help-tax-child-benefit-3335438.html[/QUOTE]

And certain people criticised me for bandying the word 'dictatorship' around?

Remember noonan's comment only yesterday...if You can afford to pay Sky €1g..........................

I'm not on it either, nor will I be!

tayto lover · 24-12-2012 10:51am

goose_gladwell wrote: »

destroying the country in what way

Well just look at who's happy with their performance so far --

1. Bondholders.(getting paid when they shouldn't be)
2. Bankers.(pensions and pay-off protected)
3. Speculators (re-employed in NAMA)
4. Politicians (having their perks etc ring-fenced)

Now who caused all the trouble again?

Le_Dieux · 24-12-2012 11:02am

tayto lover wrote: »

Well just look at who's happy with their performance so far --

1. Bondholders.(getting paid when they shouldn't be)
2. Bankers.(pensions and pay-off protected)
3. Speculators (re-employed in NAMA)
4. Politicians (having their perks etc ring-fenced)

Now who caused all the trouble again?

The only thing we must NOT forget TL is the lot who got us here in the first place. That ahearn is still walking around without even a hint of a tribunal investigating his 'conduct' under his Taosaich tenure is a sad indictment on this country.

dvpower · 24-12-2012 11:45am

mikom wrote: »

Have you eyes in your head?

The photo doesn't show his hand on her arse at all, so its a pretty scummy innuendo to make about someone who isn't able to defend herself.

How does targeting this particular woman advance the anti HHC cause exactly, or do you just put it down to collateral damage?

dvpower · 24-12-2012 11:53am

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Hogan really does take the piss with all of these little trips away paid by the tax payer. What is an Environmental Minster doing in Doha? Maybe he would be better off working to pay off the money he owes on his apartment in Portugal.

Now, let me see. What business would an environment minister have attending a UN climate change conference.....

Bullseye1 · 24-12-2012 11:56am

dvpower wrote: »

Now, let me see. What business would an environment minister have attending a UN climate change conference.....

See my post above before responding.

darkhorse · 24-12-2012 1:09pm

dvpower wrote: »

That's the one (he didn't have his arms around her, but feel free to perpetuate the lie).[/QUOTE]

dvpower wrote: »

Mikom, have you thought for even one moment how that person might feel about your crass innuendo?

Great comeback from you once again.

Le_Dieux · 24-12-2012 1:17pm

darkhorse wrote: »

dvpower wrote: »

That's the one (he didn't have his arms around her, but feel free to perpetuate the lie).[/QUOTE]

Great comeback from you once again.

DH, I would go further.

I have no idea if hogan is married or not, nor is it any of my business. BUT, He IS a PS, he IS paid by the state -IE US, He is cannoodling up to some woman, and he did allow it to go public ( otherwise surely we would have heard of a writ by now).

For me, it just proves how far removed from normal life these 'so-called' representatives are.

tayto lover · 24-12-2012 2:14pm

dvpower wrote: »

Now, let me see. What business would an environment minister have attending a UN climate change conference.....

Could they not just appoint an "Environment Troika" to come here and tell us where we're going wrong what to do about it. Seems to be the in-thing

Save a lot of money and prevent the travelling perks.
Don't they even get the budget before we see it?

dvpower · 24-12-2012 2:41pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Could they not just appoint an "Environment Troika" to come here and tell us where we're going wrong what to do about it. Seems to be the in-thing

Save a lot of money and prevent the travelling perks.
Don't they even get the budget before we see it?

You are a genius Tayto. We can simply have all future international conferences hosted in Ireland.
Our problems are over. :pac:

Bruthal · 24-12-2012 3:16pm

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

It would be 82 percent of households. These days to get signal you either.

1) Have a paid subscription, or
2) Have saorview, which is just RTE + TV.

I have the latter. I bet the vast majority of people with difficulties on the household charge have the former.

I have the latter, am I ok if I dont pay now?

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