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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*

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    #5192
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Slick50 wrote: »
    On behalf of Ghandee, and myself.... DON'T REGISTER, DON'T PAY.
    The figures show increasing numbers ignoring that invocation.


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    #5193
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,921 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    The figures show increasing numbers ignoring that invocation.

    I'd say you're delighted. It must be nearly time for you to recommend that they double the price so.


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    #5194
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    bgrizzley wrote: »
    Not so Happy Gilmore...

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/new-polls-show-slump-in-support-for-labour-582648.html[/QUOTE]

    Delighted to see this. Personally, I'll never back Gilmore again, not after the way he treated Róisín Shortall, and the way he tried to oust Keaveney out of the chairmanship of the LP.

    linyy is like the country broke.


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    #5195
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    where did i abuse her? wheres the innuendo(says a lot about your mind)? you're doing the scraping bud;)



    edit
    and you could at least answer my question, why would a government official go off the record to compliment someone?

    the legal eagels have been busey, busey, the mail on sunday have been in recipt of many writs as regard pics that have not been published as yet.


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    #5196
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    FG takes care of wealthy landlords

    and takes it out on the disabled the dying and their carers, so much for our caring transparent goverment.


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    #5197
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    dvpower wrote: »
    I've no idea. Maybe she was sick of the online abuse she got, like people calling her a 'tart' on this site, or, what was your take? A 'bit of fluff

    it beggers belif that a highly some may say over paid gaverment official makes decisions based on a thread on boards.ie, especially on an after hours thread, now if some one said a thread on the politics fourm, i would remove the cap with thumb and forefinger of my right hand, then scratch my head with the rest of them.


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    #5198
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Fianna Fail have not gone away you know.
    The Mk 2 version is alive and well.

    pity you did not finish off with the words, and even worse.


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    #5199
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    dvpower wrote: »
    An on topic post - how dare you :pac:

    I suspect its people taking stock after the new year, most likely figuring that the anti tax campaign had now no prospect of success after more details of the LPT were announced in the budget. Most people are basically honest.

    stall the back actor a while old bean, let the dust, or should i say smoke and mirrors settle, then in the middle of febuary see how the stats look, quite easy for one to regester a few gaffs, then apply for a tax rebate.


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    #5200
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    looking back on this thread, it looks like one will have to produce a copy of their payment recipt to be allowed to post here.


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    #5201
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    flutered wrote: »

    linyy is like the country broke.


    working fine for me Flutered. try a cut/paste from the box.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/new-polls-show-slump-in-support-for-labour-582648.html


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    #5202
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    flutered wrote: »
    looking back on this thread, it looks like one will have to produce a copy of their payment recipt to be allowed to post here.

    Yea its the new way of proving your an honest person, by paying any tax ever introduced without question.


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    #5203
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    working fine for me Flutered. try a cut/paste from the box.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/new-polls-show-slump-in-support-for-labour-582648.html

    its a no can do for me, tanks for your help, i have it read before.


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    #5204
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    flutered wrote: »
    stall the back actor a while old bean, let the dust, or should i say smoke and mirrors settle, then in the middle of febuary see how the stats look, quite easy for one to regester a few gaffs, then apply for a tax rebate.
    HHC isn't deductible.


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    #5205
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    flutered wrote: »
    the legal eagels have been busey, busey, the mail on sunday have been in recipt of many writs as regard pics that have not been published as yet.
    That's good to hear.


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    #5206
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,218 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Slick50 wrote: »
    A lot of off topic sh*te there... and then you come out with this.

    ??? Hypocrisy!
    Claiming one minute, there is no real protest. The next, there is no point in protesting. More hypocrisy.!

    Welcome back. Maybe you'd like to respond to some questions directed at you before you disappeared.

    On behalf of Ghandee, and myself.... DON'T REGISTER, DON'T PAY.

    The comment that you seem to think displays hypocrisy was clearly sarcasm.

    I haven't been dodging questions as far as I'm aware, I answered one directed to me about citizens having the right to bring government ministers to court, if there were others I missed them but please feel free to ask again and I will respond. Getting a bit bored of this thread to be honest so I haven't been checking it everyday.


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    #5207
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    dvpower wrote: »
    HHC isn't deductible.

    perhaps i am wrong, but i am ov the opinion that i have read about lanlords getting a tax break as a result of the hhc.


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    #5208
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    flutered wrote: »
    perhaps i am wrong, but i am ov the opinion that i have read about lanlords getting a tax break as a result of the hhc.

    That was that piece in the Indo? All that said is that it *MAY* be tax deductible for landlords at some point in the future. No such tax credit or relief has been implemented, so for now, at least, that is nothing but speculation and the typical drivel that the Indo put to paper.


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    #5209
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    flutered wrote: »
    perhaps i am wrong, but i am ov the opinion that i have read about lanlords getting a tax break as a result of the hhc.
    That was the LPT I think.


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    #5210
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    MadYaker wrote: »
    The comment that you seem to think displays hypocrisy was clearly sarcasm.

    I haven't been dodging questions as far as I'm aware, I answered one directed to me about citizens having the right to bring government ministers to court, if there were others I missed them but please feel free to ask again and I will respond. Getting a bit bored of this thread to be honest so I haven't been checking it everyday.

    I guess its easier to be pro home tax, when you are not an owner.


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    #5211
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,218 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Maybe, but I will be an owner eventually, and anyway id say my landlord will be passing this tax onto me through increased rent so does it really make a difference?


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    #5212
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    Why are people arguing with people who create theft.

    Just say NO. that's all you have to say. You are not put on this planet to give the tax man money. The tax man is going to get a rude awakening soon and it would be great if the rest of us, awoken too, and got real here.


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    #5213
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Maybe, but I will be an owner eventually
    But you are not at this time. Life`s experiences can change your views. If that is not the case, then you know everything you are going to know, already.

    and anyway id say my landlord will be passing this tax onto me through increased rent so does it really make a difference?
    You are not liable for this tax. Enough said.


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    #5214
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    Why are people arguing with people who create theft.
    But some of them are conscientious objectors too.


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    #5215
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    MadYaker wrote: »
    The comment that you seem to think displays hypocrisy was clearly sarcasm.
    Yes, clearly, which is why it was hypocrisy.
    MadYaker wrote: »
    I haven't been dodging questions as far as I'm aware, I answered one directed to me about citizens having the right to bring government ministers to court, if there were others I missed them but please feel free to ask again and I will respond. Getting a bit bored of this thread to be honest so I haven't been checking it everyday.
    You missed this one...
    Slick50 wrote: »
    You have posted a link to demonstrate what happens in the case of non payment, ie: revenue will deduct it direct from your income... reducing your net pay.

    Whilst arguing that it is more counter productive to increase income tax, because of the psychological effect of reducing your net pay.

    And you can see no correlation here?, no contradiction?, whether the origional thesis is your own or not.


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    #5216
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,218 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Yes I suppose there is a contradiction of sorts. I didn't contradict myself though. My suggested reason why the government are bringing in new taxes rather than increasing income taxes was merely a suggestion, I don't know if that's really the reason behind the governments actions in relation to taxes. Also its probably worth noting that the number of people who end up having the tax taken from their pay will most likely be very small.

    I am not directly liable for the tax since I am not a home owner, that's my landlord. He's a nice guy, but I don't think he is so nice that he will pay the property tax on the house I am renting without passing the tax on to me, so I will still be paying it through increased rent.


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    #5217
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Slick50 wrote: »
    Yes, clearly, which is why it was hypocrisy.


    You missed this one...

    There's a fundamental difference between Tax on Income (which is a disincentive to effort and employment) and a Property Tax collected through the Income Tax system.

    The real issue is the impact on the marginal rate of the Taxpayer. Liability to Property Tax does not act as a disincentive to work (as the liability arises regardless of whether incremental income is earned or not).


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    #5218
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    MadYaker wrote: »
    . Also its probably worth noting that the number of people who end up having the tax taken from their pay will most likely be very small..
    With C.700k still not registered, it could still be quite a substantial figure. Plus, if the reduced take home pay has such a negative impact, the government shouldn't be offering to have it deductable from your pay pack.
    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    There's a fundamental difference between Tax on Income (which is a disincentive to effort and employment) and a Property Tax collected through the Income Tax system.
    Yes, you can disproportionately shaft the lower earners, rather than yourself and your ilk.
    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    The real issue is the impact on the marginal rate of the Taxpayer. Liability to Property Tax does not act as a disincentive to work (as the liability arises regardless of whether incremental income is earned or not).
    Which makes it inherently unfair.


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    #5219
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    Property Tax does not act as a disincentive to work (as the liability arises regardless of whether incremental enough income is earned or not).

    .


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    #5220
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Slick50 wrote: »
    Yes, you can disproportionately shaft the lower earners, rather than yourself and your ilk.

    An(other) unsubstantiated view.
    Slick50 wrote: »
    Which makes it inherently unfair.

    We'll have to disagree on that. I remain firmly of the viewpoint that effort and work should be rewarded and encouraged.


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    #5221
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »

    We'll have to disagree on that. I remain firmly of the viewpoint that effort and work should be rewarded and encouraged.

    Where is the connection between that, and a low earner struggling to get by, and now having to pay extra tax on no extra income?


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