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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*

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    #5522
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,920 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    What happens if 700k refuse to fill-in and return the forms?
    How do the Revenue know who to prosecute?


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    #5523
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    What happens if 700k refuse to fill-in and return the forms?
    How do the Revenue know who to prosecute?

    DV will tell them


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    #5524
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,920 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Bruthal wrote: »
    DV will tell them

    You reckon he's on the payroll ?


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    #5525
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You reckon he's on the payroll ?

    He certainly seems to have a penchant for revenue. Im not sure if it is the word, or the department he loves.


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    #5526
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    tayto lover wrote: »
    What happens if 700k refuse to fill-in and return the forms?
    How do the Revenue know who to prosecute?


    just thinking. one of the most convincing pro-tax arguments here was that wealthy people who dont pay any income tax, would be caught in the property tax net . if they dont pay tax how is the revenue going to bill them?

    Jesus Phil, this plan had more holes in it than than a hedgehogs mattress...


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    #5527
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    just thinking. one of the most convincing pro-tax arguments here was that wealthy people who dont pay any income tax, would be caught in the property tax net

    Yes, make 1,000 struggling people poorer, to get some tax of 1 rich person, which would be a comfort to the 1000 of course. That would seem an analogy close to that line of thinking.


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    #5528
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Bruthal wrote: »
    Yes, make 1,000 struggling people poorer, to get some tax of 1 rich person, which would be a comfort to the 1000 of course. That would seem an analogy close to that line of thinking.


    and then institute a method of collection that will allow them to escape the tax...


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    #5529
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    and then institute a method of collection that will allow them to escape the tax...

    Yes, without any doubt.


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    #5530
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,920 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    and then institute a method of collection that will allow them to escape the tax...

    A bit like the argument for not increasing the corporate tax i.e. the businesses will leave Ireland.
    Will they leave if they have to pay Water charges for their businesses too?
    OR will they be exempt for that reason too?

    Mind-boggling stuff ahead i'd say.


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    #5531
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    dvpower wrote: »
    The Gardai knocking a bit of sense into a few protesters is evidence of the success of the campaign now? Lol.

    So you are in agreement with this?


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    #5532
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    dvpower wrote: »
    Oh dear God!!!!

    YES, DV.


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    #5533
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    a small minority diagree on principle.

    This is fcuking priceless. You think that a small minority disagree on principle to an unjust law that takes money from people, for the purpose of paying the debts of other people?


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    #5534
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    darkhorse wrote: »
    dvpower wrote: »
    The Gardai knocking a bit of sense into a few protesters is evidence of the success of the campaign now?

    So you are in agreement with this?

    Its a balancing out of the garda bashing posts often seen.

    A "getting bashed by the gardi" post.


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    #5535
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,920 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    FFS a new opinion poll has FF two points ahead of FG on 27%.

    FG must be making a complete balls of the country to be behind that shower.
    Huge FAIL for Enda and his crew. Ship sinking fast and no lifeboats.


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    #5536
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    New opinion poll out and Fianna Fail are still rising, I bet a large part of it is due to Fianna Fail opposing a family home tax-if fine gael/labour push ahead with the family home tax/ all they re doing in the longer run of things is givign Fianna Fail a platform to run on the basis of vote Fianna Fail/abolosh family home taxes and I can see Fianna Fail getting over with the people on that basis and the only people to blame for it will be the posters on here who support implementing the family home tax.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/poll-confirms-ff-as-biggest-party-585049.html


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    #5537
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Am Chile wrote: »
    New opinion poll out and Fianna Fail are still rising, I bet a large part of it is due to Fianna Fail opposing a family home tax-if fine gael/labour push ahead with the family home tax/ all they re doing in the longer run of things is givign Fianna Fail a platform to run on the basis of vote Fianna Fail/abolosh family home taxes and I can see Fianna Fail getting over with the people on that basis and the only people to blame for it will be the posters on here who support implementing the family home tax.
    This must be a contender for the craziest post ever on boards.

    I think you overestimate our influence


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    #5538
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    dvpower wrote: »
    I think you overestimate our influence

    I have a feeling revenue will be getting good at over estimating soon


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    #5539
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    darkhorse wrote: »
    So you are in agreement with this?
    No harm in some robust law enforcement. I look forward to seeing some in the area of tax enforcement.


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    #5540
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,920 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    No harm in some robust law enforcement. I look forward to seeing some in the area of tax enforcement.

    What do the latest polls tell you DV?
    Does public opinion not mater?
    Imagine FF being higher than FG after all their crookery.


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    #5541
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    What do the latest polls tell you DV?
    That populism sells.
    Anyone reading this thread for any length of time can see that.


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    #5542
    stoneill
    Registered Users Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭stoneill


    What the latest poll tells us is that there is no real alternatives.
    Do you have FG or FF - that's the only choice we have in Irish politics.
    We gave the Green party a chance - they made an arse of it, we gave Labour a chance, they are making a bigger arsé
    of it.
    What now? Sinn Fein? Is Ireland really ready for that? Independent alliance?

    Also now that the property tax is law, no future government is going to repeal it, it's easy money.


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    #5543
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,920 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    That populism sells.
    Anyone reading this thread for any length of time can see that.

    Has to be a big shock though.
    Too much austerity too soon is killing them i'd say.


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    #5544
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Has to be a big shock though.
    Not at all. Its in line with the other poll that was published last week.

    The next election isn't for a few years anyway.


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    #5545
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,920 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    Not at all. Its in line with the other poll that was published last week.

    The next election isn't for a few years anyway.

    After the Prom deal I don't think they expected it but the people are very angry.
    They need a re-shuffle I think. Shatter and Reilly need to go. They are doing very poorly and alienating people.


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    #5546
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    dvpower wrote: »
    No harm in some robust law enforcement. I look forward to seeing some in the area of tax enforcement.

    Yes, a few inspections of garlic shops should turn the country around


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    #5547
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Bruthal wrote: »
    Yes, a few inspections of garlic shops should turn the country around
    I don't expect the Revenue to turn the country around - just catch a few more scumbags.


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    #5548
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    dvpower wrote: »
    I don't expect the Revenue to turn the country around - just catch a few more scumbags.

    People who didnt pay the property charge are scum bags now? Did you reprogram the tax evaders key today?


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    #5549
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Bruthal wrote: »
    People who didnt pay the property charge are scum bags now? Did you reprogram the tax evaders key today?
    They are all evaders; some evaders are scumbags.


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    #5550
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,920 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Many would say that people forcing an unfair and unjust tax on a family home are scumbags in fairness.
    It's a bit like the old protection rackets. Pay up or else.


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    #5551
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    dvpower wrote: »
    They are all evaders; some evaders are scumbags.

    Some compliant are scum bags too, so the relevance (between home tax non payers and scum bags) possibly only exists in the minds of idiots, although this is the first time I seen such a connection made.


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