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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*
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I’m not saying they are alike. I mention one aspect only where there is a similarity.comparing to the smoking ban isnt like with like.
The similarly is in relation to the response of a small number, then and now, who argue / argued that the government made a monumental misjudgement of the people they represent and are introducing / introduced measures that were anathema to the people that will / would never be accepted.
That proved to be completely false in the case of the smoking ban. It may well be the same with property tax.
Given that the property tax will, for many, be in the ball park of 5% of their mortgage payment, a far bigger threat to your home (and it is a small one) will arise from the failure to pay your mortgage.You are backed into a corner with an implied threat on your home.
And we know that failure to pay your mortgage might lead to your home being repossessed. You are speculating on the basis of an article from the US on what might happen if you do not pay your property tax.
I was about to agree with this until I saw how it ended! “… wouldn’t be a republic now”? I though you were going to say “ … wouldn’t be in as big a mess now!”yes the field comes into it here, but try and remember that if half of the country didnt have the passion for their homes that you see in the protest about this tax, we wouldnt even be a Republic now...
And you are assuming that those that have not paid the HHC have this emotive attitude to their homes. I would suggest that a substantial number of people who bough homes during the boom would have made a different choice if they had their time over again.
And what’s to stop a future government from introducing a measure that will allow you home to be possessed to discharge any tax liability, or indeed any liability?Are you foolish enough to trust an Irish government in the future not to follow that practice in the States?
I’ll answer that myself! Possibly the constitution. (Or possibly not, the CAB setup for example, didn’t require a referendum, though perhaps they can’t go after a PPI?)
But the biggest impediment to a government in a democracy going off reservation so to speak, is democracy. If there really is a fundamental no-no amongst the electorate and the government either misread this or press on regardless, they will pay dues at the next general election. And of course the next government can reverse whatever was done.
I would say that the Irish electorate would not be too receptive to people being thrown out of their homes for not being able to pay property tax. And I don’t think this, or any other government would opt for this, other than in very exceptional circumstances.
Is property tax itself a fundamental no-no with the electorate? I don’t think so. But time will tell.0 -
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I’m not saying they are alike. I mention one aspect only where there is a similarity.
The similarly is in relation to the response of a small number, then and now, who argue / argued that the government made a monumental misjudgement of the people they represent and are introducing / introduced measures that were anathema to the people that will / would never be accepted.
That proved to be completely false in the case of the smoking ban. It may well be the same with property tax.
Small number? The government are the only ones left banging the drum for this tax (i suspect not even all their members are on board at this stage).
Even FF have turned and it was their idea(perhaps not for the best of motives) and the Troika have said they were open to other methods of raising the money.
Given that the property tax will, for many, be in the ball park of 5% of their mortgage payment, a far bigger threat to your home (and it is a small one) will arise from the failure to pay your mortgage.
And we know that failure to pay your mortgage might lead to your home being repossessed. You are speculating on the basis of an article from the US on what might happen if you do not pay your property tax.
your spot on, my mortgage is a bigger threat to my home, I dont need the government putting any more worries on me by them threatening it too.
I'm speculating because the FG say everyone else has this tax so should we, whats to stop them using those countries rules for collecting the tax also?I was about to agree with this until I saw how it ended! “… wouldn’t be a republic now”? I though you were going to say “ … wouldn’t be in as big a mess now!”
And you are assuming that those that have not paid the HHC have this emotive attitude to their homes. I would suggest that a substantial number of people who bough homes during the boom would have made a different choice if they had their time over again.
you agree with the poster who brought up the field, but when i agree with both of you, you disagree. you are an enigma LughaAnd what’s to stop a future government from introducing a measure that will allow you home to be possessed to discharge any tax liability, or indeed any liability?
I’ll answer that myself! Possibly the constitution. (Or possibly not, the CAB setup for example, didn’t require a referendum, though perhaps they can’t go after a PPI?)
But the biggest impediment to a government in a democracy going off reservation so to speak, is democracy. If there really is a fundamental no-no amongst the electorate and the government either misread this or press on regardless, they will pay dues at the next general election. And of course the next government can reverse whatever was done.
I would say that the Irish electorate would not be too receptive to people being thrown out of their homes for not being able to pay property tax. And I don’t think this, or any other government would opt for this, other than in very exceptional circumstances.
Is property tax itself a fundamental no-no with the electorate? I don’t think so. But time will tell.
Agreed except for the last paragraph.
Ease my mind on this tax Lugha.
DV couldnt truthfully guarantee me that a future Irish government wouldnt sell my house to collect this specific tax if i was unable to pay. Can you?
http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/real_estate/tax-liens/index.htm0 -
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Serious divisions?
Yeah, my a*s
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/coalition-tensions-grow-over-budget-tax-plans-3281814.html[/QUOTE]
Interesting on a couple of fronts. I was told by a poster here a week ago that the USC is a tax, a minister in the paper to-day said its not.
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No enigma. I agree that “the Field” mentality is a factor (though some do not). I disagree that this is an admirable or worthy mentality to have. If we did not have this mentality there may have been fewer of us willing to pay for massively over-priced houses and apartments, taking on crippling debts to do so.you agree with the poster who brought up the field, but when i agree with both of you, you disagree.DV couldnt truthfully guarantee me that a future Irish government wouldnt sell my house to collect this tax if i was unable to pay. Can you?
No I cannot guarantee that your house could never be sold to pay a property tax. But neither could I (or you, or anyone else) guarantee that your house could never be sold to discharge any other liability. Very unlikely in both cases I wold say.
It is simultaneously one of the anxieties and wonders of life that there are almost no guarantees or other certainties!
Indeed, there are only two. Death and …..… the other one escapes me. 0 -
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