Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*
Options
Comments
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
-
-
-
-
Maybe they share the same opinion as me and a couple of others here that protesting won't get anywhere and will just fall on deaf ears.
It’s not that it will fall on deaf ears, it is that opposing austerity have no alternatives. Whether you are plotting your way out of a national crisis or cleaning your floor with a nail brush there is ultimately little point is complaining about how bad your plan is if there is either no alternative, or a much worse alternative.
And there does not appear to be an alternative, or not one that we can bring to bear. It is blindingly obvious from the Troika’s dealings, with Greece in particular, that they were ready to pull the funding lifeline if they did not implement the reforms they demanded. It is simply delusional to think that they would be any different with us.
As to the march today, it was interesting to note that 3 out of the 4 protestors interviewed by RTE were protesting against (different) cuts and not the HHC (and the 4th one didn’t mention it either). So it really was an all-comers whinge fest.
And 10,000 people (or even 20,000 if you believe the propaganda of those involved) on a rain-free Saturday close to Xmas (when shoppers would likely be flooding Dublin) was hardly a spectacular. There were far more people at the rugby match about a mile away! I wonder if any of the media, international in particular, will draw that comparison?
But of course, if you have no alternative plan, it wouldn't matter if there was 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000. They may as well protest about the weather.
0 -
-
It’s not that it will fall on deaf ears, it is that opposing austerity have no alternatives. Whether you are plotting your way out of a national crisis or cleaning your floor with a nail brush there is ultimately little point is complaining about how bad your plan is if there is either no alternative, or a much worse alternative.
And there does not appear to be an alternative, or not one that we can bring to bear. It is blindingly obvious from the Troika’s dealings, with Greece in particular, that they were ready to pull the funding lifeline if they did not implement the reforms they demanded. It is simply delusional to think that they would be any different with us.
As to the march today, it was interesting to note that 3 out of the 4 protestors interviewed by RTE were protesting against (different) cuts and not the HHC (and the 4th one didn’t mention it either). So it really was an all-comers whinge fest.
And 10,000 people (or even 20,000 if you believe the propaganda of those involved) on a rain-free Saturday close to Xmas (when shoppers would likely be flooding Dublin) was hardly a spectacular. There were far more people at the rugby match about a mile away! I wonder if any of the media, international in particular, will draw that comparison?
But of course, if you have no alternative plan, it wouldn't matter if there was 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000. They may as well protest about the weather.
You keep repeating about alternative plans. has it ever happened in the history of the state that a government has listened to an alternative plan? i cant remember it happening once. So whats the point putting one forward?
Withhold your HHC and dont pay the Property tax, thats the only way they will listen to the people they work for.0 -
It’s not that it will fall on deaf ears, it is that opposing austerity have no alternatives. Whether you are plotting your way out of a national crisis or cleaning your floor with a nail brush there is ultimately little point is complaining about how bad your plan is if there is either no alternative, or a much worse alternative.
And there does not appear to be an alternative, or not one that we can bring to bear. It is blindingly obvious from the Troika’s dealings, with Greece in particular, that they were ready to pull the funding lifeline if they did not implement the reforms they demanded. It is simply delusional to think that they would be any different with us.
As to the march today, it was interesting to note that 3 out of the 4 protestors interviewed by RTE were protesting against (different) cuts and not the HHC (and the 4th one didn’t mention it either). So it really was an all-comers whinge fest.
And 10,000 people (or even 20,000 if you believe the propaganda of those involved) on a rain-free Saturday close to Xmas (when shoppers would likely be flooding Dublin) was hardly a spectacular. There were far more people at the rugby match about a mile away! I wonder if any of the media, international in particular, will draw that comparison?
But of course, if you have no alternative plan, it wouldn't matter if there was 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000. They may as well protest about the weather.
There's been plenty of other plans and ideas put up here in about 25,000 posts on this subject.
You dismiss them all because you think you know it all.
Maybe your the chief flagellator, or maybe your incapable of thinking of any other way.0 -
Go on Gerry, you have an ‘aul go at answering the question. The rest of the lads have come up with squat so far.
Our lenders give us they money they do on the condition that we implement austere measures. If we decide (even if we are right) to renege on these conditions, we need to find a new lender.
Who is that going to be?
No offence Lugha, but you are talking a load of absolute rubbish here. Have I not just said prior to this message that I am going up to Dublin? Then you got and say whats highlighted above.
I agree entirely with what Gerry says...and again say, WHY such emphasis on 13.5 billion? It seems to bother You, YOU give an answer if you can. For me, maybe it's time to call Merkel's bluff, and start bandying the word 'DEFAULT' around, and see how She reacts then?
You answer a question then: How can we get people back to work while taking €3.5 billion out of the economy? Yopu seem to think that the 'no brigade' are talking a load of bóllox, let's hear YOUR solutions.0 -
-
Advertisement
-
Not so. The did a number of times threaten not to implement the reforms but ultimately the did, for the same reason we do, because funding would have been withdrawn if they / we do not. They did get a deal on the debt as we are likely to get too. But that is a separate issue to borrowing money for the day to day running of the country.cosbloodymick wrote: »Greece has continually failed over the last two years to meet the reforms demanded of them and they have had their debt written down on 2 occasions.
I am taking about the broader question of austerity and how it can be avoided. Didn’t you already concede that there wasn’t an alternative to austerity? Didn’t you say you could take everything that might be thrown at you, fine man that you are?Withhold your HHC and dont pay the Property tax, thats the only way they will listen to the people they work for.
No there hasn’t. There have been alternatives to the HHC / property tax but no alternative to austere measures in general. (Though your suggestion that the EU or anyone, would happily give us billions every year so we can continue to live beyond our means was amusing. But I was hoping for a serious suggestion)There's been plenty of other plans and ideas put up here in about 25,000 posts on this subject.
You seem to be under the illusion that the 13 billion is a loan. And we could perhaps simply decide not to pay it back? Surely this is not what you think? :eek:WHY such emphasis on 13.5 billion? It seems to bother You, YOU give an answer if you can. For me, maybe it's time to call Merkel's bluff, and start bandying the word 'DEFAULT' around, and see how She reacts then?0 -
I am taking about the broader question of austerity and how it can be avoided. Didn’t you already concede that there wasn’t an alternative to austerity? Didn’t you say you could take everything that might be thrown at you, fine man that you are?
doesnt really answer my question, when have the governemnt ever listened to an alternative suggestion?
And i still have no problem with austerity...;)0 -
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement