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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*

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    #1922
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    lugha wrote: »

    But of course, if you have no alternative plan, it wouldn't matter if there was 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000. They may as well protest about the weather. :)
    bgrizzley wrote: »
    You keep repeating about alternative plans. has it ever happened in the history of the state that a government has listened to an alternative plan? i cant remember it happening once. So whats the point putting one forward?
    lugha wrote: »
    I am taking about the broader question of austerity and how it can be avoided. Didn’t you already concede that there wasn’t an alternative to austerity? Didn’t you say you could take everything that might be thrown at you, fine man that you are? :)

    bgrizzley wrote: »
    doesnt really answer my question, when have the governemnt ever listened to an alternative suggestion?

    And i still have no problem with austerity...wink.png

    lugha wrote: »
    Not sure what you mean exactly?



    You will. When it really begins.

    Lulz, ive lived through a lot tougher times than there will ever be here, but shure we were happy!!! :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:


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    #1923
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    So lets say we fully agree on all of this and decide that austerity is a bad thing (and it certainly has a negative effect)

    We need to find someone who will fund our deficit with no reform strings attached.


    Who? (It's a very, very , very simple question)

    You tell me, who funds other countries who are running deficits?
    Other countries do run deficits you know. Indeed are encouraged to run deficits in time of recession, a cyclical deficit.

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gfmag.com%2Ftools%2Fglobal-database%2Feconomic-data%2F10395-public-deficit-by-country.html&ei=7D6xULrmKoyFhQeuj4GICQ&usg=AFQjCNEEnQ7-m2J9OOb1FLVrRJ2S6mWsdQ&sig2=bQ9Pt_WrgMU1_8SOlB6Bfg


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    #1924
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    There's been plenty of other plans and ideas put up here in about 25,000 posts on this subject.
    You dismiss them all because you think you know it all.
    Maybe your the chief flagellator, or maybe your incapable of thinking of any other way.

    Don't worry Gerry. He/She couldn't even answer my question yesterday about the bus! All that bothers this 'proer' is how do we avoid paying the 13.5Billion.

    Just a thought, does Merkel speak english? Any chance Lugha is Merkel in disguise?:rolleyes:


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    #1925
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noticed.

    Someone on this thread, with seemingly intimate knowledge on all things govt related has taken a very sudden and instant absence from this thread (and site)

    Does he know something the rest of us don't, and got out while he still could :pac:


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    #1926
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Le_Dieux wrote: »

    Just a thought, does Merkel speak english? Any chance Lugha is Merkel in disguise?:rolleyes:
    I hope not, for all our sakes.


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    #1927
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noticed.

    Someone on this thread, with seemingly intimate knowledge on all things govt related has taken a very sudden and instant absence from this thread (and site)

    Does he know something the rest of us don't, and got out while he still could :pac:

    I think the men in white coats took his laptop away!:D I week and 1 day ago. He was asking too many questions, lugha's next.


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    #1928
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    lugha wrote: »

    You seem to be under the illusion that the 13 billion is a loan. And we could perhaps simply decide not to pay it back? Surely this is not what you think? :eek:

    Where did I say we don't pay it back? AGAIN assumptions!!! I said call the Frau's bluff, and threaten DEFAULT. It got the Greeks an extra 2 years.

    AGAIN I ask the question: You mouth on and on and on about OUR thoughts...WTF are Yours???


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    #1929
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    You tell me, who funds other countries who are running deficits?
    Other countries do run deficits you know. Indeed are encouraged to run deficits in time of recession.

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gfmag.com%2Ftools%2Fglobal-database%2Feconomic-data%2F10395-public-deficit-by-country.html&ei=7D6xULrmKoyFhQeuj4GICQ&usg=AFQjCNEEnQ7-m2J9OOb1FLVrRJ2S6mWsdQ&sig2=bQ9Pt_WrgMU1_8SOlB6Bfg
    Well that should make your task easier then. See if you can find a lender who is prepared to put a few quid our way with no strings attached. :)

    And maybe you could explain why the government would not borrow from such a lender seen as how the current conditions imposed on their borrowings will make them seriously unpopular?


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    #1930
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I think the men in white coats took his laptop away!:D I week and 1 day ago. He was asking too many questions, lugha's next.

    Something definitely has happened with him.
    'last word syndrome' surely would prevent him not wading back in here at this stage!


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    #1931
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Well that should make your task easier then. See if you can find a lender who is prepared to put a few quid our way with no strings attached. :)

    And maybe you could explain why the government would not borrow from such a lender seen as how the current conditions imposed on their borrowings will make them seriously unpopular?

    Ok, where do I fill in the forms? I'll apply tomorrow.:rolleyes:
    Or maybe I could leave it to the goons we elected to run the country.


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    #1932
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    All that bothers this 'proer' is how do we avoid paying the 13.5Billion.
    Wow! You really don't know that this 13 billion figure is, do you?


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    #1933
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Something definitely has happened with him.
    'last word syndrome' surely would prevent him not wading back in here at this stage!

    Perhaps we should ask his err..... relative on here. Maybe the ? key is broken on his laptop and he's waiting to get it fixed.


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    #1934
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    FYI Lugha...don't assume anything, or expect me to reply pronto. Am off to join maggie.....oops, go where she has gone, most certainly NOT join her:D

    Think about that question yesterday I asked - you remember, the BUS? What would You do? You expected me to answer a query from you after I said i was going up to Dublin, yet You haven't answered my question which is over 24 hours old.

    I'm not going to lose any sleep though over your lack of response, good night.'yawwwwwn'


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    #1935
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Wow! You really don't know that this 13 billion figure is, do you?

    I thought it was €20 billion?


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    #1936
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    lugha wrote: »
    Wow! You really don't know that this 13 billion figure is, do you?

    Er...is this english?


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    #1937
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Something definitely has happened with him.
    'last word syndrome' surely would prevent him not wading back in here at this stage!
    I thought you had gone to bed after your day of drinking! :pac:

    Still with the aul conspiracy theories I see! (Not sure who you are referring to though. I think all the regulars have been posting here in the last few days?)


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    #1938
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    I thought you had gone to bed after your day of drinking! :pac:

    Still with the aul conspiracy theories I see! (Not sure who you are referring to though. I think all the regulars have been posting here in the last few days?)

    He's not referring to you, lugha.
    Think about it......
    Speaking of drinking, that bottle of wine in over there is calling my name....Lovely.


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    #1939
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I thought it was €20 billion?
    No it is about 13. But it would be 20 if there were no austerity measures.

    But if you can find an imbecile lender who might give us 13 billion a year without reform perhaps you could pass their details on to me? I have a nice line in free range fresh air I could flog to them? :P

    (Seriously, would you take a business decision to lend to a neighbour who had seen a massive collapse in income but insisted (even with a compelling argument) that he was going to continue to spend at the same rate as before? If you would, you might be just the man to take some of this air of my hands! :pac:)


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    #1940
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    No it is about 13. But it would be 20 if there were no austerity measures.

    But if you can find an imbecile lender who might give us 13 billion a year without reform perhaps you could pass their details on to me? I have a nice line in free range fresh air I could flog to them? :P

    (Seriously, would you take a business decision to lend to a neighbour who had seen a massive collapse in income but insisted (even with a compelling argument) that he was going to continue to spend at the same rate as before? If you would, you might be just the man to take some of this air of my hands! :pac:)

    I don't know how merkel & co are putting up with us then when she sees the money our politicians get, not to mention our overpaid PS including a city librarian on over €120k, city and county managers on €160k - €180k, allowances, un-vouched expenses, ex-taoiseach on €150k pensions etc etc, that list goes on and on and on........ Oh yea, and the fact that the same PS are still getting pay rises 4 years into the worst recession this country has ever seen.


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    #1941
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    lugha wrote: »
    I thought you had gone to bed after your day of drinking! :pac:

    Still with the aul conspiracy theories I see! (Not sure who you are referring to though. I think all the regulars have been posting here in the last few days?)

    No, no drinking today Lugha, (unless coffee counted) I had the car with me.

    Supping on an Erdinger winter brew now though, first beer in a week......


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    #1942
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Supping on an Erdinger winter brew now though, first beer in a week......

    Nice, enjoy that one G.;)


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    #1943
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I don't know how merkel & co are putting up with us then when she sees the money our politicians get, not to mention our overpaid PS including a city librarian on over €120k, city and county managers on €160k - €180k, allowances, un-vouched expenses, ex-taoiseach on €150k pensions etc etc, that list goes on and on and on........ Oh yea, and the fact that the same PS are still getting pay rises 4 years into the worst recession this country has ever seen.
    Exactly.And that is what any potential lender will think too.

    (Who is getting a pay rise?)
    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Supping on an Erdinger winter brew now though, first beer in a week....
    Good, holy God!!! Me too! :) Though I am on the regular stuff.


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    #1944
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    lugha wrote: »

    Good, holy God!!! Me too! :) Though I am on the regular stuff.

    You sir, have excellent taste. (you should definitely try the winter brew though ;))

    Goddammit, can't slag that post! :pac:


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    #1945
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Exactly.And that is what any potential lender will think too.

    So, do you not think that scandalous carry on would be sorted out before they come cap in hand to people who own houses.
    It's the same thing really, they're coming looking money off us but won't cut out the waste.
    Why should we give it to them any more than a potential international lender?


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    #1946
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Ghandee wrote: »
    You sir, have excellent taste. (you should definitely try the winter brew though ;))

    Goddammit, can't slag that post! :pac:

    Feck ya's anyway. Have a goo for the auld Erdinger now and the off license is closed.
    Mind you, it is German, isn't it....


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    #1947
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,941 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ghandee wrote: »
    No, no drinking today Lugha, (unless coffee counted) I had the car with me.

    Supping on an Erdinger winter brew now though, first beer in a week......

    Feckin' German beer.


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    #1948
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Now now lads.

    As Basil Fawlty would say....

    We're all friends again.


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    #1949
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Jaysus lads, between wine and fancy beer do ye think there's no feckin recession on? this is what im on...

    http://hywelsbiglog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/image341.jpg


    looks like beer tastes like flat guinness...


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    #1950
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Now now lads.

    As Basil Fawlty would say....

    We're all friends again.

    Don't mention the war...... well, the one in the 40's


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    #1951
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    Jaysus lads, between wine and fancy beer do ye think there's no feckin recession on? this is what im on...

    http://hywelsbiglog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/image341.jpg


    looks like beer tastes like flat guinness...

    Yea, we're all sitting in having a beer because we can't afford to go to the pub!


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