Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*

gerryo777

bgrizzley wrote: »

remember how fast they rolled back with the "Senior citizen Medical Card debacle"

this is what Kenny had to say to the old people at that protest...


Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny, addressing the mass protest meeting organised by Age Action in Dublin this morning, said that Fianna Fail in Government had made the 'biggest blunder in Irish political history' with the over 70s medical card cutback.

Wonder does he remember that, lol

If he doesn't, someone should remind him!

dvpower

tayto lover wrote: »

I thought anyone on SW was exempt this tax?
Even if not I can't see this method of collection going ahead as it would put 88% of Senior citizens into serious poverty according to that article. The "grey vote" is very important.

No decisions on exemptions have been published. There was some talk of deferrals for people on SW, but this news runs counter to that.

Ghandee wrote: »

I'm just hoping he follows up by explaining that no one absolutely no one can deduct Monday from your pay (social/otherwise) without a court order authorising then to do so

Can dv/dx/Lugha please break it down (in simpelton terms) how an employer/ss/ an.other will deduct anything, from any ones income without said court order?

Legislators can legislate for anything they want, once constitutional.

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

I assume there is some lesson to be learnt from your bus parable that is relevant to what we might do as a country? Wouldn't be just better to park the bus and tell me what your actual idea is?

Or perhaps you really just want to have a chat about a bus?

Maybe they should address their business strategy before the bus company goes to the wall!

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

No decisions on exemptions have been published. There was some talk of deferrals for people on SW, but this news runs counter to that.



Legislators can legislate for anything they want, once constitutional.

So they'll hold a referendum on it?

lugha

bgrizzley wrote: »

remember how fast they rolled back with the "Senior citizen Medical Card debacle"

Certainly, they won't relish taking on the grey brigade for the very same reason they won't relish taking on the public sector.

But is is hardly a reason for them not to, is it?

dxhound2005

gerryo777 wrote: »

You seem to be very hung up on people throwing out bits of leftover food and what they'll spend on loved ones over christmas.

Are you The Grinch by any chance?

I am the helpful Grinch saving people from swallowing the Dont Register Dont Pay con and wasting their money. I am like the council in England reminding people not to spend their rent money on other things at Christmas.

http://www.thisistamworth.co.uk/Tamworth-council-tenants-reminded-don-8217-t/story-17391841-detail/story.html

dvpower

Ghandee wrote: »

So they'll hold a referendum on it?

Its not unconstitutional to deduct payments from SW or salaries - it happens all the time.

lugha

gerryo777 wrote: »

Maybe they should address their business strategy before the bus company goes to the wall!

And if they have to borrow money to pay their employees generous wages that were set in better times, but nobody would lend to them (and they wouldn't) ?

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

Its not unconstitutional to deduct payments from SW or salaries - it happens all the time.

That's bull and you know it.

As an example, maintenance payments/fine payments cannot be taken from source without a court order, or permission from the account holder.

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

Certainly, they won't relish taking on the grey brigade for the very same reason they won't relish taking on the public sector.

But is is hardly a reason for them not to, is it?

They're going to 'take on' the PS?
Don't make me laugh, with labour keeping FG in power?
Funniest thing I've heard all week!
How many of those 1,200 odd allowances did howlin manage to take off the PS?
LMAO!!!

dvpower

Ghandee wrote: »

That's bull and you know it.

As an example, maintenance payments/fine payments cannot be taken from source without a court order, or permission from the account holder.

... thus demonstrating that it isn't unconstitutional to take payments at source. All that's needed is legislation.

bgrizzley

lugha wrote: »

Certainly, they won't relish taking on the grey brigade for the very same reason they won't relish taking on the public sector.

But is is hardly a reason for them not to, is it?

lol, i really hope they do Lugha.

lugha

Ghandee wrote: »

That's bull and you know it.

As an example, maintenance payments/fine payments cannot be taken from source without a court order, or permission from the account holder.

Income tax can. I fail to see what would be so different about a property tax?

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

And if they have to borrow money to pay their employees generous wages that were set in better times, but nobody would lend to them (and they wouldn't) ?

Then they tell their employees (the protected PS) that they have an inability to pay as was included in their last wage agreement (the CPA).
Back of the net, I think you'll find!

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I am the helpful Grinch saving people from swallowing the Dont Register Dont Pay con and wasting their money. I am like the council in England reminding people not to spend their rent money on other things at Christmas.

http://www.thisistamworth.co.uk/Tamworth-council-tenants-reminded-don-8217-t/story-17391841-detail/story.html

Another leech. .someone else with job for life and whom relies on you paying your hhc in order for him to receive his yearly increments/pension (paid for by tax payers money)

Pay no heed.

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

Income tax can. I fail to see what would be so different about a property tax?

Why don't they lump it in with/increase income tax then?

lugha

gerryo777 wrote: »

They're going to 'take on' the PS?
Don't make me laugh, with labour keeping FG in power?
Funniest thing I've heard all week!
How many of those 1,200 odd allowances did howlin manage to take off the PS?
LMAO!!!

My point is that the difficult of the challenge for the government has no relation to the merit of those opposing any change.

Which it a difficulty I have with the whole concept of protest. Success has more to do with having might rather than right on your side. PS being a case in point.

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

My point is that the difficult of the challenge for the government has no relation to the merit of those opposing any change.

Which it a difficulty I have with the whole concept of protest. Success has more to do with having might rather than right on your side. PS being a case in point.

Pensioners will have might on their side.

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

... thus demonstrating that it isn't unconstitutional to take payments at source. All that's needed is legislation.

lugha wrote: »

Income tax can. I fail to see what would be so different about a property tax?

You lads are some chancers.

To deduct from source the following procedures are needed.

Identified from the non existence database
Summons to court for non payment
Court order, to pay hhc and fines
Further court order after non payment if fine
Court order to deduct from source.

Hardly likely lads.

gerryo777

Ghandee wrote: »

You lads are some chancers.

To deduct from source the following procedures are needed.

Identified from the non existence database
Summons to court for non payment
Court order, to pay hhc and fines
Further court order after non payment if fine
Court order to deduct from source.

Hardly likely lads.

And that multiplied by at least 600,000 G.

lugha

gerryo777 wrote: »

Then they tell their employees (the protected PS) that they have an inability to pay as was included in their last wage agreement (the CPA).
Back of the net, I think you'll find!

Ah but now. Those fine folk marching yesterday were marching against austerity. I.e. no additional taxes and no cuts, including to PS wages.
If you favour some selective cuts then that is an austere measure. And you will have to bid farewell to any pals you met yesterday.

But let me be the first to welcome you to reality! :pac:

lugha

gerryo777 wrote: »

Pensioners will have might on their side.

Indeed they do. But they don't have right.

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

Ah but now. Those fine folk marching yesterday were marching against austerity. I.e. no additional taxes and no cuts, including to PS wages.
If you favour some selective cuts then that is an austere measure. And you will have to bid farewell to any pals you met yesterday.

But let me be the first to welcome you to reality! :pac:

I'm all for austerity in the PS. Bring it on.

dvpower

Ghandee wrote: »

You lads are some chancers.

To deduct from source the following procedures are needed.

Identified from the non existence database
Summons to court for non payment
Court order, to pay hhc and fines
Further court order after non payment if fine
Court order to deduct from source.

Hardly likely lads.

If the government decide that they want to deduct property tax from source, they can simply introduce any legislation that may be required to allow it.
I'm not getting what you don't understand about this.

lugha

Ghandee wrote: »

You lads are some chancers.

To deduct from source the following procedures are needed.

Identified from the non existence database
Summons to court for non payment
Court order, to pay hhc and fines
Further court order after non payment if fine
Court order to deduct from source.

Hardly likely lads.

They took the USC of me and I don't remember the court order to do so?

Maybe I'm drinking too much fancy German beer? :pac:

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

They took the USC of me and I don't remember the court order to do so?

Maybe I'm drinking too much fancy German beer? :pac:

They took a USC off everyone for working, not for owning a house.
Divide and conquer.

dvpower

lugha wrote: »

Ah but now. Those fine folk marching yesterday were marching against austerity. I.e. no additional taxes and no cuts, including to PS wages.

Some of the people who were at that trade union organised protest yesterday are often on this forum complaining about the trade union protected CPA.

That's the problem with these ill defined catch all protests - there is no clear message from them, so they can easily be ignored.

darkhorse

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Yes indeed, what is needed is people to spend more of the €87 billion held in personal deposits in the banks. Along with another €12 billion in State Savings. Although the Socialist Party in their proposal for a wealth tax said the overall total was €120 billion.

http://www.centralbank.ie/press-area/press-releases%5CPages%5CTrendsinPersonalCreditandDepositsQ12012.aspx

The total deposits held in resident credit institutions by Irish private households was €86.9 billion at end-March 2012, following a quarterly increase of 1.0 per cent and an annual decline of 0.7 per cent.

Wow, I'd love to know what kind of DIRT the government are making on that amount of savings.

gerryo777

Maybe they should bring in a 'colour of skin' tax or a 'sexuality' tax.
That way they could pitch more and more people against each other.
Or maybe the old 'window tax'.
Daylight robbery, eh?

dr.bollocko

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