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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] *Poll Reset*
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Ah, don't be so hard on him.
Anyone can make a mistake, ain't that right dx?dxhound2005 wrote: »If I pointed out your inability to spell monkeys correctly I would get into trouble. So I will just ask are you of such superior intelligence yourself that you feel free to issue this sort of abuse? Would you like to be called and idiot?
Think before you type auld hand.
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How can we defer austerity and debt at the same time - doesn't deferring further debt mean also deferring further borrowing (which means more, not less, austerity)?
Or are you suggesting that our lenders should just let us off the repayments and continue to give, not lend, us further money?
As a little test, you might ask your grandson to simply hand over his pocket money to you from now on with no promise to pay him back. I think I know what little Gunter's response will be.So if problems can be eased by simply "putting forward proposals" then why do we have many people (and the number will grow) struggling with mortgages? After all, according to your logic, all they need do is do to their lender and put some proposal to them, perhaps pointing out (truthfully) that they are struggling desperately to keep up payments? Hey, maybe you have solved our mortgage crisis?
Alas of course, you can put all the proposals (even good ones) you want to your bank manager, he is going to do what is in the bank’s best interest (which occasionally will also be in your best interests, but that would be coincidental). Now if you actually had some leverage, something to bargain with, the game might change. You could go nuclear I suppose and rob the bank??
And it is the very same with the government’s dealing with the Troika. I simply do not see anything substantial we can use to bargain with. Then can hurt us a lot more than we can hurt them. I suppose we too could go nuclear and invite perhaps the North Koreans or Chinese to set up a massive military base in Wexford …….
There are always people who struggle financially, that was so even during the boom. But I think you are badly mistaken if you think we have reached the lowest point, it hasn’t really started proper yet. It will get much, much worse before it gets better.
Finallly!!!! The penny drops!
Oh wait, it doesn’t!
Whoever we vote into power only has very little influence on the path we take through the crisis. Everybody points out that the current government is taking almost exactly the same approach as the last one but fail to see the reason why they do. Which is because there is no real alternative.
It would be nice if we could take an a la carte approach to the problem and say for example, we would like you to keep lending us money so our economy doesn’t collapse completely but we don’t particularly like to have to reform our finances. And we definitely don’t want to have to take on banking debt and pay all those horrid bondholders.
Once again, I would point out that the Greeks, for all their protests (far more vociferous that ours) ultimately had to accept the reforms demanded of them. Had they not, it was obvious that the Troika were prepared to cut the funds that are keeping them afloat and let them fend for themselves. The deals they are getting are in relation to their debt. If they wanted more money lent to them, they had to put their house in order. Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
If anyone thought that this, or any other government, had some painless way out of the current crisis, then yes, they certainly were delusional. But I think most people know the score.
The government parties, and the smaller one’s in particular, always take a hit in the local elections, even when times are good. This seems to be a universal phenomena seen in many democracies.
And yes, there are politicians in every party who don’t have the cahunas for making, or standing over, the tough decisions. Nothing new there either.
Alas, yis are both right. How presumptuous of me to expect that either one of our leaders would, as you would put it, have the cahunas, to actually represent us on the world stage. There is no point in them rocking the boat, though, especially when they are so near to securing their pension rights for the remainder of their lives.
By the way, vd, I did put that prosposal that you mentioned to little gunther, and his response was, "Gramps, you know that I would hand over my pocket money to you every week if you were stuck, no problem, just dont make any promises if you think that there is a chance that you can't keep them", I said to him that noone would make promises to people and not keep them, forgetting all about kenny and gilmore. What are they teaching them in school these days.0 -
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