upc analogue

McSween

just realised i have a connection to upc analogue, therefore will be watching the game kicking off on setanta. will this be gone on the 24th? the digital box isnt connected, it's awaiting collection in the other room since the end of september. therefore it is a wire coming in from the wall and has a splitter connected, and i plugged it in to the back of the telly then.

cgarvey

Nope, UPC analogue is unaffected by the ASO/DSO on the 24th. It probably won't last for a whole lot longer, but it'll still be there on the 24th (unless you get cut off in the mean time!). Be aware though, that if you're not paying UPC (something), you may be breaking the law.

McSween

thanks. i even asked the upc guy to take the digital box away a month ago but he said somebody else does collections. previous occupier had it installed and he was surprised that it still worked when i told him

by my watching it is illegal i understand that, but technically should i have the wires in an 'unused' looking fashion or should i be ringing them insisting they cut it off. i assume they will have to take down an aerial on the roof also. i have sky so prefer that anyway.

djimi

Surely if UPC are piping their signal into your house its not illegal to use it provided you are not using any equipment to circumvent their encryption etc? The analogue signal is an unencrypted signal that can be read by a TVs own tuner; as far as Im concerned its their problem if they dont turn off the signal coming into house and you are still able to get the analogue TV service.

cgarvey

djimi wrote: »

Surely if UPC are piping their signal into your house its not illegal to use it provided you are not using any equipment to circumvent their encryption etc?

My interpretation of the Broadcasting Act, 1990, Section 9, says it is. To view is considered intercepting, which is illegal. I.e. there's no provision for the necessity to have any equipment (specialist, or otherwise), and there's no mention of digital or analogue. However, I'm not a solicitor, so you may well be right.

I've edited my original post to say "may be" (which is what I originally intended, because I, obviously, don't know for sure; though it looks likely).

7upfree

cgarvey wrote: »

It probably won't last for a whole lot longer, but it'll still be there on the 24th

How do you know this???

icdg

The basics on this are that while it is perfectly possible for UPC to de-authorise your viewing card when you cancel, stopping you from viewing the digital service, to switch off the analogue service to your premises requires a service agent to actually travel to your street and cut the mains cable going into your house.

Now leaving aside the question of whether or not it is legal to view the analogue service if it is left in place, anyone who chooses to do so should be aware that UPC are within their rights to cut you off at ANY time and that you have no right or cause to complain if they do decide to do so. You are only guaranteed a service if you pay for it.

djimi

cgarvey wrote: »

My interpretation of the Broadcasting Act, 1990, Section 9, says it is. To view is considered intercepting, which is illegal. I.e. there's no provision for the necessity to have any equipment (specialist, or otherwise), and there's no mention of digital or analogue. However, I'm not a solicitor, so you may well be right.

I've edited my original post to say "may be" (which is what I originally intended, because I, obviously, don't know for sure; though it looks likely).

I would say that UPC would have a very hard time legally persuing someone for availing of a service that they pump freely into their house. In my eyes if UPC dont want you to avail of the "free" unencrypted TV service that they have provided to your house they should turn off the signal. If they do not turn off the signal then they cannot complain if someone watches it!

djimi

7upfree wrote: »

How do you know this???

Im fairly sure that UPC have said that there are no plans to turn off their analogue service any time soon.

icdg

djimi wrote: »

Im fairly sure that UPC have said that there are no plans to turn off their analogue service any time soon.

They don't, except in Cork, where there were particular local circumstances (analogue cable was encrypted) that allowed them to do DSO very quickly.

http://www.upc.ie/upccustomers/Analogue_Switch_Off_/

Eventually it will go. But it could be years away particularly in Dublin where many people use analogue for portables in kitchens/bedrooms etc. (There will probably be many Dublin households where the short-term replacement for analogue terrestrial will be analogue cable).

cgarvey

djimi wrote: »

I would say that UPC would have a very hard time legally persuing someone for availing of a service that they pump freely into their house.

Presumably they'd never bother trying. However, a defence of "but they gave it to me for free" isn't all that strong a defence to hold (especially when you knowingly paid for the service up to recently).

7upfree wrote: »

How do you know this???

Because they plaster it all over the analogue service nearly every hour. Or, if you mean how do I know it won't last too long, it's because it's too inefficient & expensive a service to maintain. It's inevitable; just a question of time. "Long" could still be a few years, mind!

djimi

cgarvey wrote: »

Presumably they'd never bother trying. However, a defence of "but they gave it to me for free" isn't all that strong a defence to hold (especially when you knowingly paid for the service up to recently).

I would have thought them giving it to you for free would be the best defense you could have!

When I moved into my place first having never been a UPC customer I chanced my arm by plugging the TV cable into the box in the wall and voila I got the 17 or whatever UPC analogue channels (I wasnt sure what Id get; thought maybe it was connected to an aerial on the roof for the terrestrial channels or whatever). There was nothing on the box to say that I was prohited from availing of this service that was being pumped unencryped into my house.

Of course you are absolutely right; there is no way they would ever bother persuing anyone for this. But if they did I cant see how they would get very far. Its effectively the same as them playing music outside your window and asking you to cover your ears and not listen...

7upfree

cgarvey wrote: »

Presumably they'd never bother trying. However, a defence of "but they gave it to me for free" isn't all that strong a defence to hold (especially when you knowingly paid for the service up to recently).


Because they plaster it all over the analogue service nearly every hour. Or, if you mean how do I know it won't last too long, it's because it's too inefficient & expensive a service to maintain. It's inevitable; just a question of time. "Long" could still be a few years, mind!

Still on here in Waterford.:)

ironictoaster

Didn't want to make another thread about this, but I am just wondering can I pick up Saorview and fta uk channels on UPC analogue if I purchase a receiver?

highdef

If you have UPC analogue, then you already have the aforementioned channels, straight from the TV. However, to answer your question.....no

McSween

my channels are gone since yesterday. tried retuning but nothing there. with the damned upc boxes i dont know how to connect to the new service, not that i will be using it (rte :rolleyes:)

djimi

I presume by new service you mean Saorview? If so then UPC has nothing to do with Saorview; they are two completely different platforms.

If you want the Saorview channels then you will need a Saorview box or a TV capable of recieving the Soarview signal. Although if you have UPC then I dont know why you feel the need to use Saorview in the first place?

McSween

djimi wrote: »

I presume by new service you mean Saorview? If so then UPC has nothing to do with Saorview; they are two completely different platforms.

If you want the Saorview channels then you will need a Saorview box or a TV capable of recieving the Soarview signal. Although if you have UPC then I dont know why you feel the need to use Saorview in the first place?

i have sky, upc was free. and they have left wall mounted white boxes in the house.

ironictoaster

djimi wrote: »

I presume by new service you mean Saorview? If so then UPC has nothing to do with Saorview; they are two completely different platforms.

If you want the Saorview channels then you will need a Saorview box or a TV capable of recieving the Soarview signal. Although if you have UPC then I dont know why you feel the need to use Saorview in the first place?

I was just wondering, the signal in my bedroom is quite poor and I wouldn't mind the RTE HD for sports.