Barcelona v Celtic (UEFA Champions League) K.O. 19.45

Pompey Magnus

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Didn't think you were stupid enough to be blinded by the same irrational hatred that others on here are, thought you were a little bit more intelligent than them.

Barca, one of the best club sides of all time, took 94 minutes of huffing and puffing to score the decisive winning goal. To me it was an excellent controlled and defensive performance from a very young Celtic team, a team that has huge young players in it such as Wanyama and Forster.

We might be a 'bad side in Europe' when compared with the best in Barca but Celtic have shown this season that we are a young and promising European side regardless of what the haters say.

Those haters had predicted two beatings and one absolute whipping for Celtic at this stage of the competition (well to be fair they probably didn't expect to see Celtic get through the qualifiers even).

Their ignorance of the quality of the squad Lennon has built up on a tiny budget is being shown up time and again, no Celtic fan is saying player for player the Celtic squad are almost the equals of Barca but this squad is not out of place in the competition and is far better than many have given it credit for.

Jelle1880

Why is criticism of Celtic, or saying that you don't think they were 'brilliant' seen as irrational hatred ?

I think Xavi makes some valid points, Celtic fans will of course disagree but that doesn't mean he's blinded by some hatred or whatever.

blahfckingblah

despite what anyone here says im immensly proud of my teams performance and glad we put it up to barca...we proved a lot of people wrong

bobbysands81

Neil1984 wrote: »

Ironically your username actually enhances his assumptions

Ironically it doesn't.

Educate yourself before passing comment on something you seem to know very little about.

Jelle1880

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Why is criticism of Celtic, or saying that you don't think they were 'brilliant' seen as irrational hatred ?

I think Xavi makes some valid points, Celtic fans will of course disagree but that doesn't mean he's blinded by some hatred or whatever.

It is summed up well by Graham Hunter being called a "bitter Rangers fan".

Apparently Celtic are either brilliant or you're bitter.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Ironically it doesn't.

Educate yourself before passing comment on something you seem to know very little about.

Brilliant!

bobbysands81

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Why is criticism of Celtic, or saying that you don't think they were 'brilliant' seen as irrational hatred ?

I think Xavi makes some valid points, Celtic fans will of course disagree but that doesn't mean he's blinded by some hatred or whatever.

I presume that's directed at me mo chara because I used the term 'irrational hatred'.

You make a false assumption in your opening sentence, Xavi never claimed that Celtic weren't brilliant, he claimed that Celtic 'are a bad side in European terms'. I would call that an irrational statement.

karma_

Xavi6 wrote: »

Looks like we agree that bringing up City was a lazy comparison seeing as the two clubs are poles apart in terms of money and expectations. We saw a last minute defeat in Madrid as unacceptable, you see a last minute defeat in Barca as a something to be proud of.

Best to just discuss tonight's result and not try come up with irrelevant deflections, eh?

You're starting to sound like a united fan.

Jelle1880

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I presume that's directed at me mo chara because I used the term 'irrational hatred'.

You make a false assumption in your opening sentence, Xavi never claimed that Celtic weren't brilliant, he claimed that Celtic 'are a bad side in European terms'. I would call that an irrational statement.

I used your mentioning of irrational hatred yes, but I was talking about Celtic fans here in general.

Several other posts in here that disagree with this 'brilliant performance' tag have been pounced upon by some Celtic fans.

Madam

Why do people have this need to respond to the 'haters'(no ,not you Jelle:))?

No matter what they say Celtic did well enough last night, really think it should have ended in a draw(where did that 4 minutes extra time come from? grrrrr!). Ah well onwards and upwards(hopefully), perhaps a win or draw at Celtic Park maybe's?

See that - I did'nt say ' A brilliant performance' from Celtic!

bobbysands81

Neil1984 wrote: »

Brilliant!

That's me told eh?

karma_

Madam wrote: »

Why do people have this need to respond to the 'haters'(no ,not you Jelle:))?

No matter what they say Celtic did well enough last night, really think it should have ended in a draw(where did that 4 minutes extra time come from? grrrrr!). Ah well onwards and upwards(hopefully), perhaps a win or draw at Celtic Park maybe's?

I don't understand the criticism either, it's downright stupid. There's no shame at all in losing by one goal away to Barca, better teams than Celtic have gone there and done worse.

bobbysands81

bobbysands81 wrote: »

That's me told eh?

I gave it about as much "education" and "telling off" as you gave me lad. :rolleyes:

Rhetoric and posturing isn't education. Nor is saying "you should educate yourself" and following up with silence. If anything it suggests that you think you're more intelligent than you are. But keep going, your failure to see the irony is truly hilarious.

maximoose

Well my dreams of a Celtic slaughtering didn't come true but oh well

Interesting match all the same, don't think Celtic were magnificent but more that Barca were very wasteful. Should have been 2-0 up by the time Celtic scored and should have been level (and then ahead) in no time but made it difficult for themselves. Forster made a couple of good saves, but Messi should have buried that tap in hard and low and same with the header [/captain hindsight]

So annoying how it took them the whole 45 minutes of the second half to realise that tapping it from wing to wing at the edge of the box wasn't getting them anywhere and to swing a cross in.

Morzadec

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Efe Ambrose, a Nigerian international, only just signed and looks a class act.

However, you might have been also getting him mixed up with Victor Wanyama, a 20 year old powerhouse Kenyan international who is going to go all the way to the top. He is phenomenal.

Yeah it might have been him, they were both very good I think.

DARK-KNIGHT

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You've embarrassed the life out of yourself mate. I didn't think so many ignorant assumptions could fit into one post.

Not even gonna bother tbh

Eirebear

I'd just like to add that my hatred of Celtic isn't irrational.

DyldeBrill

What annoyed me was the favouritism show towards Messi on many occasions in the match! Yes Celtic did get a few soft frees but Messi got them in dangerous areas! Sick of all these soft European blowing up for anything because the are afraid of high profile players reaction.

Great effort by Celtic, not a supporter of them, but was great to see them do so well!

Madam

Eirebear wrote: »

I'd just like to add that my hatred of Celtic isn't irrational.

Why you would hate a football team is beyond me - 'some' of the fans yes but the team itself no.

Eirebear

Just as a side note - Celtic did highlight one thing last night, which is becoming more and more apparant as the seasons go by.
Barcelona do not have a "Plan B".

Granted, they generally don't need it because their "Plan A" is so utterly good - but if a team can work hard and stop those balls through the middle the will (to use Bobby's phrase) Huff and Puff for 90 minutes.

Eirebear

Madam wrote: »

Why you would hate a football team is beyond me - 'some' of the fans yes but the team itself no.

I don't hate Celtic fans, I take each and every person as they come - regardless of what their allegiances may be in any walk of life.

General Relativity

PauloMN wrote: »

Maybe not for a Sevconian. It was amazing for Celtic fans. One day your team might be in Europe too. Division 2

Fixed.

LuckyLloyd

Brilliant effort last night. The second half was compelling stuff. Hopefully they can make another fist of it in two weeks time but, either way, they have left themsleves an unexpected chance of getting out of the group. Fair play.

[-0-]

You just have to feel gutted for Celtic. A very good effort and something to be extremely proud of.

bobbysands81

Neil1984 wrote: »

I gave it about as much "education" and "telling off" as you gave me lad. :rolleyes:

Rhetoric and posturing isn't education. Nor is saying "you should educate yourself" and following up with silence. If anything it suggests that you think you're more intelligent than you are. But keep going, your failure to see the irony is truly hilarious.

You're the one passing churlish comment without understanding the meaning of the word 'irony'.

Now let's debate if you want to debate or keep talking in circles if you feel you're not up to it.

bobbysands81

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Not even gonna bother tbh

Why not?

You made ridiculous comments and now, when challenged on your bigotry, you want to 'walk away'?

Jelle1880

bigotry lol

kitakyushu

Eirebear wrote: »

Just as a side note - Celtic did highlight one thing last night, which is becoming more and more apparant as the seasons go by.
Barcelona do not have a "Plan B".

Granted, they generally don't need it because their "Plan A" is so utterly good - but if a team can work hard and stop those balls through the middle the will (to use Bobby's phrase) Huff and Puff for 90 minutes.

My own take on that is that Barca have accepted that shortcoming on the ground that their players are developed/bought in to fit so precisely into the way they play and that any Plan B they could come up with would just be less effective than what they're already doing.

I'm not a great believer in the Plan B philosophy though anyway. I think John Giles once put it well when he said "if you thought that was going to work then why weren't you doing it from kick-off?".

Out of interest tho, I wonder how often Barca score a necessary late goal from never changing their tactics compared to teams who did change up? Don't know where you'd get those stats but it'd be interesting reading.

bobbysands81

The gift that keeps on giving:

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You're the one passing churlish comment without understanding the meaning of the word 'irony'.

Now let's debate if you want to debate or keep talking in circles if you feel you're not up to it.

Irony: when a user with the name of an IRA member as his username has a go at a user for insinuating that Celtic have a large sectarian following.

The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs.

So again, a guy using the name of a member of a sectarian group, who is also a massive Celtic fan, lecturing a fella for saying that Celtic is synonymous with sectarianism is ironic.

There's really nothing else to debate. If you can't see it (though I don't believe you to be that thick, I think you're just being intentionally obtuse) then there's nothing left to say really.

blahfckingblah

Eirebear wrote: »

"Anti Football" Simple as that.

Celtic, almost, did a magnificent job defensively - but let's not get carried away here.
A few belts up the flanks and a freekick do not make for "matching" Barcelona.

..because you were always going to say something positive about celtic

blahfckingblah

Xavi6 wrote: »

Well no it's not like that at all because City fans didn't celebrate that result, different mindset obviously. Maybe back in the days when we were at Gorgeous Georgios' level but not anymore so it's a flawed comparison.

Feel free to call me out if you win the next one

all that happened you lot in the mean time was money was thrown at you.. its a beautiful game and its a shame that it can be baught.. i prefer to be a fan of a team that has a good youth system than throwing money at titles

Eirebear

blahfckingblah wrote: »

..because you were always going to say something positive about celtic

Ummm wasn't I quickly onto the sellik thread after the spartak game to congratulate you?
What I posted above is fact. It was almost a magnificent performance, but un the end it wasn't enough.

Now away and lie down.

DARK-KNIGHT

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Why not?

You made ridiculous comments and now, when challenged on your bigotry, you want to 'walk away'?

How can u expect anyone to take your points about Celtic with a name like bobby sands 81??

What age are you? I take it 81 is year hunger strike took place but what do you really know about bobby sands?

Off to google with you now!!!

And you referring to yourself as "mo chara" in an earlier post says it all a long post and you throw that in to do what exactly?? Speak in one language.. If you feel the need to speak in Irish then do but really?? You putting mo chara in there was pointless and silly go on you know you want to say it "tiochfaidh ar lá"?? FFS PATHETIC

blahfckingblah

Eirebear wrote: »

Ummm wasn't I quickly onto the sellik thread after the spartak game to congratulate you?
What I posted above is fact. It was almost a magnificent performance, but un the end it wasn't enough.

Now away and lie down.

its Celtic... but i understand i don't know half of the teams 3 divisions away.
enjoy clyde..

Eirebear

blahfckingblah wrote: »

its Celtic... but i understand i don't know half of the teams 3 divisions away.
enjoy clyde..

Wonderful comeback.

Xavi6

blahfckingblah wrote: »

all that happened you lot in the mean time was money was thrown at you.. its a beautiful game and its a shame that it can be baught.. i prefer to be a fan of a team that has a good youth system than throwing money at titles

Ah yes, players like Samaras, Commons, Hooper, Wanyama and the rest all came through the youth system right?

Step off that high horse because every club at the top level buys their titles in soe shape or form.

Beautiful game when viewed with one eye.

blahfckingblah

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ah yes, players like Samaras, Commons, Hooper, Wanyama and the rest all came through the youth system right?

Step off that high horse because every club at the top level buys their titles in soe shape or form.

Beautiful game when viewed with one eye.

we didnt pay through the nose for them either.. or we shoudnt. the english game is centred solely on money and its vile

Oat23

Xavi6 wrote: »

Step off that high horse because every club at the top level buys their titles in soe shape or form.

Most teams buy players using money they have earned, not had handed to them. There's a difference.

ColeTrain

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

How can u expect anyone to take your points about Celtic with a name like bobby sands 81??

What age are you? I take it 81 is year hunger strike took place but what do you really know about bobby sands?

Off to google with you now!!!

And you referring to yourself as "mo chara" in an earlier post says it all a long post and you throw that in to do what exactly?? Speak in one language.. If you feel the need to speak in Irish then do but really?? You putting mo chara in there was pointless and silly go on you know you want to say it "tiochfaidh ar lá"?? FFS PATHETIC

You've made a show of yourself in this thread.

DARK-KNIGHT

ColeTrain wrote: »

You've made a show of yourself in this thread.

Elaborate??

Madam

Is there not a charter on Boards that says 'attack the post not the poster'? If there is your getting very close to attacking the poster Dark-Knight.

Turtyturd

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Elaborate??

Just say your mates posted it like you did in the Liverpool thread.:pac:

Madam

Madam wrote: »

Is there not a charter on Boards that says 'attack the post not the poster'? If there is your getting very close to attacking the poster Dark-Knight.

Oops - Sorry I see back seat moding isn't allowed either! Ignore me then:o

The_Kew_Tour

Just curious.

To the people here who have branded Celtic Style "anti football" or anything in that nature tell me the tactics that you expected Celtic to play last night?

LiamoSail

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Just curious.

To the people here who have branded Celtic Style "anti football" or anything in that nature tell me the tactics that you expected Celtic to play last night?

This exactly. It annoyed me last week hearing english commentators complaining about the San Marino playing so defensively at wembly. I'm not comparing the gulf between them to Celtic/barca, but the principal still stands. Why would they go and attack if it's going to result in all likelihood in an embarrassing defeat? They'd be daft to do it

While we all like attacking football, those who play defensively to a rigid game plan in an attempt to get something out of sides, who on paper at least, should easily bet them should be commended IMO, much like Greece deserved every bit of praise they got for winning the euros. It wasn't pretty, but realistically it's the only way such a side can achieve results and ultimately, that's the aim of every manager

Celtic came close last night, but to come away with a narrow defeat was admirable given the gulf in budgets between the sides. I haven't done the maths, but I'm fairly sure messi earns more per year then the entire Celtic starting xi cost, an certainly more then their combined salary. With this in mind, it's completely unrealistic to exPect a club like Celtic to go there with any other game plan

mark renton

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Just curious.

To the people here who have branded Celtic Style "anti football" or anything in that nature tell me the tactics that you expected Celtic to play last night?

Pass the ball to a player in green and white...

lubo_moravcik

maximoose wrote: »

Hoping for something embarassing, somewhere around the 7 or 8 mark would be lovely.

Xavi6 wrote: »

Double figures would be magic

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Messi to get hattrick number 22 tonight.

Deleted User wrote: »

I would love this just to see Lennon's press conference alone. Magical.

I just hope Barca play to 30% of their ability, that ought to be enough for a 10-0 rout anyway.

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably because they play a fast, highly technical and extremely difficult brand of football that focuses on one of the most difficult skills in the game - keeping the ball - whereas Celtic play hoofball sh*te unless they're up against the plumbers and builders from Raith Rovers.

Turtyturd wrote: »

Shouldn't the thread title include 'How many will Messi score?'.

GavRedKing wrote: »

Barca shouldnt need to worry about their defence tonight.

If the front 5 can do the business it will be Barca at a canter, 3 or 4 nil.

If Celtic can keep a clean sheet for the first 90 minutes they have a chance.

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I don't think Celtic really have the following in Ireland they used to. I think it's embarrassing seeing young lads wearing Celtic jerseys singing sectarian songs etc we as a country have moved on from that crap only the uneducated follow through with sectarian crap!!

I can't help it I don't like Celtic I don't like the way Celtic and rangers hate each other to do with religion it's just wrong!!!

Anyone with kids keep them clear of all the Celtic crap!! My mates son is a scanger going round with Celtic jersey mouthing off bout rangers etc its just properly embarrassing!

On topic I can see barca blitzing Celtic altogether only way result can be reasonable if Celtic play 30 men instead of 11 and pack goal line and box with big men!!!!

MESSSSSSIIIIIIII

CSF wrote: »

7 nil barca please.

Rekop dog wrote: »

This'll be a complete procession, better ties for the neutral to watch tonight!

john47832 wrote: »

Would be nothing short of a mircale if they got 40

Barca should score 4 or more too...

keith16 wrote: »

I suppose it will only be 7 or 8-1 now :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: Nae Luck, much did yous have on it?

As a Celtic fan who was in The Nou Camp last night, I'm gutted we never came away with anything, but our heads are high and I'm proud as hell. We parked the bus, and what??? How many teams go there and play in an attacking format. They're the best team in world football and we had a go. 4 appearances there in the last 9 years, 0-0, 1-1, 1-0 and 2-1. How have all the English teams fared there in recent years????

Xavi6 wrote: »

Lazy and inaccurate comparison but you run with it.

All tonight does is give Celtic fans false hope, still a bad side in European terms

Man City fan these days? I'd say in recent years you've supported Man Utd and Chelsea, The Xavi username on here just to cover your back for when Barca win??? Poor show for a mod imo giving a warning for this.

mixed up wrote: »

I wouldn't of taught it would take an injury time goal for barca to beat celtic.I think most people expected an easy win for barca myself included.That's nothing against celtic but barca would beat most teams pretty easy.I can't believe that we have a moderator in here trolling the celtic fans :eek: I have friend who are man city fans and went to see them play in division 2 well before they got all the money to buy whoever they want but xavi please stop embarrassing yourself .Man city won the league last year and you have to run down celtic fc to make yourself feel better :rolleyes:

mark renton

john47832 wrote: »

Would be nothing short of a mircale if they got 40

Barca should score 4 or more too...

I was half right - 18% possession is a far way off 40%

The_Kew_Tour

john47832 wrote: »

Pass the ball to a player in green and white...

No keep going you have got off to good enough start.

So yes pass it to Celtic player and tell me what they do next?

lubo_moravcik

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

No keep going you have got off to good enough start.

So yes pass it to Celtic player and tell me what they do next?

Don't encourage it

mark renton

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

No keep going you have got off to good enough start.

So yes pass it to Celtic player and tell me what they do next?

Park the bus?