Northern Ireland Saorview reception reports:

formerly scottish paddy

I (and others) would be interested to see reports of direct Saorview reception (not NIMM) in Northern Ireland once all transmitters and relays are up to full power on permanent channels, probably from 1:00pm onwards. Thanks

(PS any chance of a mod making this a sticky for a few days?)

Rick_

I could get Saorview in Armagh even though the signal was nulled in my direction and on low power. I fully expect to be able to receive the full service later today when it goes unrestricted and on full power.

JamesyBelfast

Nervously hopeful that I will be able to get Saorview here in Belfast.
Had slightly grainy but very watchable analogue picture on RTE1, RTE2 and TV3 so I am really not sure what (if anything) I will get from the digital signal...

Peter Rhea

Report of Clermont ch. 52 reception on DS. Poster gives location as Newtownards.

Iderown

Saorview from Clermont Carn (Ch52V) - splendid result here in Bangor, County Down. We are located within the Bangor ring road. Bit of a hill (with trees) between us and CC. The analogue signal from CC was fair to poor.



Strength is about equal to that of the Divis channels. Quality is 100% on all multiplexes - Divis, Black Mountain and Clermont Carn.
There is a masthead amp (20dB) and back-of-set amp/splitter (maybe 6dB). All the scaremongering about signal amplifiers is just that here. I'll play with removing the amplifiers at some later date.
Receiver is HUMAX HDR-FOX T2. I have not yet gone through all the facilities to see how they integrate. The RTÉ channels from CC are in the 800s.

mbutler2007

How do you know if you are picking up Saorview from Clermont Carn in the south or NIMM from Divies in Belfast.

South Belfast: I have a Panasonic freeview HD, and am picking up RTE1 RTE2HD, RTE news , RTE Kids, TV3, 3e and the radio channels (strong signal). Witch i thick are all form Saorview Clermont Can, can anyone confirm.
Also what numbers on free view are the RTE channels form Divies on the Freeview uk

Thanks

ardmacha

How do you know if you are picking up Saorview from Clermont Carn in the south or NIMM from Divies in Belfast.

TV3, RTE news , RTE Kids etc.

JamesyBelfast

WOW!!!

PERFECT Saorview reception here in Belfast city!!! ALL CHANNELS!!!

I'm using just a standard aerial positioned vertical and pointing in CC direction attached to my satellite dish pole out the back of my house.

Analogue reception previous was grainy and TG4 was almost unwatchable.

Quite surprised and very pleased at the Saorview results!!!!

JamesyBelfast

Oh - and the TV3 Teletext Saroview "test" on page 284 yesterday indicated I wouldn't get decent Saorview at all (lots of missing boxes / red boxes).

formerly scottish paddy

Looks like Clermont is delivering the full 160kw alright!

mbutler2007

ardmacha wrote: »

TV3, RTE news , RTE Kids etc.

should i also be getting NIMM on freeview HD or is it just one or the outer?

tk

JamesyBelfast

mbutler2007 wrote: »

should i also be getting NIMM on freeview HD or is it just one or the outer?

tk

You'll get both - on Freeview the RTE channels showed up at 51,52,53 - the Saorview channels showed up for me in the 800s.

One easy way is to check RTE2.
It's RTE2 HD on Saorview and just RTE2 on Freeview Divis.

Freeview Divis btw only broadcasting RTE1, RTE2 and TG4 - not the full Saorview set of channels.

formerly scottish paddy

If you are getting the UK HD channels then you should be able to get the NIMM in South Belfast (from Black Mountain, no NIMM on Divis) Freeview channels 51,52,and 53 (TG4, RTE1 & RTE2). Remember some sports could be blocked on NIMM's RTE 2 same as on SKY, better of with Saorview: HD and no programme blocks!

Peter Rhea

mbutler2007 wrote: »

should i also be getting NIMM on freeview HD or is it just one or the outer?

If you have Freeview HD equipment, the NImux services will be numbered in the 50s.

If you have an aerial for Clermont diplexed with one for Divis, there's a chance that reception of UHF channel 39 could suffer.

mbutler2007

JamesyBelfast wrote: »

You'll get both - on Freeview the RTE channels showed up at 51,52,53 - the Saorview channels showed up for me in the 800s.

One easy way is to check RTE2.
It's RTE2 HD on Saorview and just RTE2 on Freeview Divis.

Freeview Divis btw only broadcasting RTE1, RTE2 and TG4 - not the full Saorview set of channels.

on my free view HD i do not have channels 51,52,53 , it goes to 50 and the jumps to 55. will this change latter?

lawhec

Reception on an indoor aerial (not amplified!) here in Omagh on my portable DVD player whose TV tuner is fairly 'deaf' compared to other receivers I have!

formerly scottish paddy

mbutler2007 wrote: »

on my free view HD i do not have channels 51,52,53 , it goes to 50 and the jumps to 55. will this change latter?

Do you have the UK HD channels from 101 on up?

JamesyBelfast

mbutler2007 wrote: »

on my free view HD i do not have channels 51,52,53 , it goes to 50 and the jumps to 55. will this change latter?

I don't know about that.

But you're getting Saorview so no need to worry! :-)

And the RTE channels on Freeview will have certain programmes blocked from time to time due to copyright - not to mention RTE2 HD unavailable. So no need for those!

formerly scottish paddy

lawhec wrote: »

Reception on an indoor aerial (not amplified!) here in Omagh on my portable DVD player whose TV tuner is fairly 'deaf' compared to other receivers I have!

WOW! that is seriously impressive :eek:
I have seen reports from near Belfast that it is coming in stronger than Divis!!

formerly scottish paddy

Any news of Truskmore, Holywell Hill, and Moville?

lawhec

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

Any news of Truskmore, Holywell Hill, and Moville?

Truskmore only got or gets a 'marginal' boost in comparison from 63kW to 160kW - about a 4db increase, will probably not "add" much coverage but should help solidify those whose reception was on the fringe.

Rick_

I can't wait to get home at lunchtime (15 minutes!) and see how good our Clermont is. Our RTÉ ONE signal which was previously on 52 was next to perfect so I'm imagining that we will get it just fine. We could even get the original service on 53 despite it being low power and nulled towards us. <fingers crossed>

formerly scottish paddy

lawhec wrote: »

Truskmore only got or gets a 'marginal' boost in comparison from 63kW to 160kW - about a 4db increase, will probably not "add" much coverage but should help solidify those whose reception was on the fringe.

Yea I know, but still interested in reception reports from anyone gettin it in N.I.

formerly scottish paddy

Paddy C wrote: »

I can't wait to get home at lunchtime (15 minutes!) and see how good our Clermont is. Our RTÉ ONE signal which was previously on 52 was next to perfect so I'm imagining that we will get it just fine. We could even get the original service on 53 despite it being low power and nulled towards us. <fingers crossed>

"just fine" could be the understatement of the day if other reports are anything to go by.

dmm1000

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

Remember some sports could be blocked on NIMM's RTE 2 same as on SKY, better of with Saorview: HD and no programme blocks!

why would some sports / programmes be blocked who'd be infringing whose rights now ?

SRB

CC Mux on 52 coming in on an indoor attic aerial here in Portaferry. Even with an outdoor aerial on a 20 foot mast, I was only ever able to get a "just about watchable" RTE1, no TG4 or TV from Louth.
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VampiricPadraig

I'm in Monaghan and we have a booster on our aerial (outdoor) and we got everything from Freeview and Soarview without a hitch

Just noticed this on Dave - It's defiantly watchable, so I am not worried about it...or should I? (Regarding the signal strength)

dbcool

saorview is fine here at Fortwilliam North belfast! i could get analogue rte and tv3 before the switch over

formerly scottish paddy

dmm1000 wrote: »

why would some sports / programmes be blocked who'd be infringing whose rights now ?

For some sports (eg. Champions League football) RTE would only hold the rights for the RoI (ITV for N.I.) and therefore not allowed to broadcast that from platforms (SKY, Freeview) within N.I. but OK on Saorview as that is "only for RoI" viewers

dbcool

well on the ni rte mux - home and away is currently blocked!

formerly scottish paddy

dbcool wrote: »

well on the ni rte mux - home and away is currently blocked!

Yea, think Channel 5 have UK rights for that. Like I said you are better of with Saorview direct (if you can get it)

Rick_

Just checked there, Clermont is roaring in to Armagh! All TV's now set up and channels re-ordered to suit. Ahh... that's better!

formerly scottish paddy

Paddy C wrote: »

Just checked there, Clermont is roaring in to Armagh! All TV's now set up and channels re-ordered to suit. Ahh... that's better!

Get back to work! yer late!

Badwolf35

I am in mid/north Antrim and in the early hours of the morning after the Limavady mux on C53 turned off I found I was able to get the Clermont Carn C53 mux with stable pictures even though the signal level was 25% and quality was low. I have to admit I was very surprised. I took some screen shots and will post later with some more details.
I am not at home to try the high power C52 mux yet but it has to be good.

Screen shots from C53 last night added.
Checked C52 now, full scale on signal and quality. Reception good obviously.

Put my meter on each.
C52 72 dBuV
C53 44 dBuV
Aerial is Televes X43 with Fringe supreme C/D amp only about 15ft agl (much less would do now)

watty

dbcool wrote: »

well on the ni rte mux - home and away is currently blocked!

Bureaucratic stupidity!

1) Over 55% can get actual Saorview.
2) Near 100% can get Saorsat.

What ever UK channel or whoever is behind the Blocking is a moron.

buggane

Not a peep from Clermont on the west coast of the IOM.

I was getting the analogue signal but removed the aerial a few weeks ago however the signal on Ch 53 was coming in with a reading since and occassionally strong enough to scan in (depending on weather). Today both Ch53 and 52 are barely showing a reading.

I did pick up somewhere that the signal may still be nulled towards the IOM - anyone any firm info on this? - before I try rerigging the outside aerial. (Ps the upside is the NIMM at Black Mountain is belting in 100%).

formerly scottish paddy

watty wrote: »

Bureaucratic stupidity!

1) Over 55% can get actual Saorview.
2) Near 100% can get Saorsat.

What ever UK channel or whoever is behind the Blocking is a moron.

Channel 5 I think have the rights, was unblocked on SKY for a while (maybe still is?) but they are probably kicking ass again.
However from reports here Clermont E52 is belting into Belfast so no desperate need of NIMM!

Peter Rhea

buggane wrote: »

I did pick up somewhere that the signal may still be nulled towards the IOM - anyone any firm info on this?

Latest comreg technical parameters here would seem to show fairly hefty restrictions on ch. 52 towards IOM.

I'm not 100% sure how to interpret the data, but certainly there is an arc from 60-150 degrees that shows (presumably) dB restrictions from max. power ranging to 21 dB between 90-110 degrees. As I say, I don't know how exactly this relates to the radiation pattern of the transmitting aerials.

fionnsda

north west region

anybody know anything about moville?

i was getting moville in about 20% up untill today,now its gone :eek:

formerly scottish paddy

fionnsda wrote: »

north west region

anybody know anything about moville?

i was getting moville in about 20% up untill today,now its gone :eek:

Due a power up today. I would try a rescan later on.

JamesyBelfast

Just tried my indoor loft aerial here in East Belfast city and it's picking up the full range of Saorview channels perfectly (received very poor analogue RTE with that previously).

Am quite amazed.

buggane

To techy for me but I guess the null towards us (IOM) us is quite severe or something would have registered at switchover.

Cheers anyway!

Mr Cumulonimbus

buggane wrote: »

Not a peep from Clermont on the west coast of the IOM.

I was getting the analogue signal but removed the aerial a few weeks ago however the signal on Ch 53 was coming in with a reading since and occassionally strong enough to scan in (depending on weather). Today both Ch53 and 52 are barely showing a reading.

I did pick up somewhere that the signal may still be nulled towards the IOM - anyone any firm info on this? - before I try rerigging the outside aerial. (Ps the upside is the NIMM at Black Mountain is belting in 100%).

reslfj estimated the the possible ERP in kilowatts output allowing for the restrictions in this thread. Seems ch 52 from CC wont be great for the IoM then? Ch 53 shuts down on 7 November.

Peter Rhea

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

reslfj estimated the the possible dB output allowing for the restrictions

He used the quoted restrictions to work out the ERP in kilowatts & also mentioned tilting of the antenna's main beam.

lawhec

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Latest comreg technical parameters here would seem to show fairly hefty restrictions on ch. 52 towards IOM.

I'm not 100% sure how to interpret the data, but certainly there is an arc from 60-150 degrees that shows (presumably) dB restrictions from max. power ranging to 21 dB between 90-110 degrees. As I say, I don't know how exactly this relates to the radiation pattern of the transmitting aerials.

What this means is that apart from the arc from 060 to 150 degrees at the transmission site there is clearance for full power to be used at Clermont Carn. This is the "internationally agreed" restriction and doesn't necessarily reflect the actual performance of the transmitting aerial. However considering the restriction is over a 90 degree arc centred roughly ESE, the transmitting aerial can simply be done over a 270 degree arc with three tiers of 90 degree panels with no panels facing out towards the Irish Sea.

The db values are the restrictions imposed internationally (sometimes these are imposed domestically to prevent internal co-channel interference) whereby 0db is no restriction from the maximum ERP allocated. 3db would represent a restriction of half the maximum ERP allocated in a certain direction. Using a rough calculation, a 21db restriction limit in a certain direction would from a maximum ERP of 160kW give a restricted ERP limit of approx 1.3kW in that direction.

formerly scottish paddy

Anyone getting Moville? I saw a post a while ago saying it was off ATM.

pharmerboy

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

Anyone getting Moville? I saw a post a while ago saying it was off ATM.

Im having no luck with moville. Was able to get a fair analogue signal from there but nothing now!

dmm1000

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

For some sports (eg. Champions League football) RTE would only hold the rights for the RoI (ITV for N.I.) and therefore not allowed to broadcast that from platforms (SKY, Freeview) within N.I. but OK on Saorview as that is "only for RoI" viewers

thanks - I see - well shame on all parties concerned - that should have been all thrashed out before going live on the NIMM

mrdtv2010

dmm1000 wrote: »

thanks - I see - well shame on all parties concerned - that should have been all thrashed out before going live on the NIMM

But this was to be expected: there are blackouts on Virgin cable and Sky in NI as well.

the_tractor

dmm1000 wrote: »

thanks - I see - well shame on all parties concerned - that should have been all thrashed out before going live on the NIMM

It was 'thrashed out' before today. That's why it's blocked.

Liamalone

Any idea when Moville is getting a kick up the backside?

I'm assuming this report below re: Moville is causing the lack of Saorview at my house in Limavady.

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

Due a power up today. I would try a rescan later on.

Having had decent Saorview pre DSO I just assumed that I would receive it without bother after all got boosted.

Also, I thought that I read somewhere that RTE1, RTE2 SD + TG4 were coming onto UK freeview also ...... was I doting or is this connected to Moville also?

Ta