Vincent Browne: "Israel is the cancer... They stole land from the Arabs". 23/10/2012

MakeEmLaugh

Last night Vincent Browne, discussing the US Presidential election, made quite negative comments about Israel.

What do people think? Is Browne being unfair and one-sided towards Israel, or is he just stating the facts as he sees them?

Riamfada

They tuk our lands

Fishooks12

He's right. The Israeli's are a pretty horrible bunch

suicide_circus

Professional sh1t stirrer

Iwasfrozen

He's right though.

Death and Taxes

He is certainly correct in that they have annexed lands well beyond their 1947 borders, and continue to force the lawful owners off that land in order to build settlements.
However Israel is not alone in such practices, though that does not mitigate their actions in the least.

starbelgrade

I honestly couldn't give a fuck. I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing about the conflict & wish to fuck that they would just find some way of resolving their issues like adults and move on with their lives because at this stage, it's pathetic.

smurgen

he's right as always and doesn't sugar coat it like others

Kwack

He is being honest! Israel has a lot to answer for. Wonder how Alan Shatter will take this...

Seedy Arling

Kwack wrote: »

He is being honest! Israel has a lot to answer for. Wonder how Alan Shatter will take this...

Apparently he shat himself.


Boom. Boom.

Death and Taxes

Kwack wrote: »

He is being honest! Israel has a lot to answer for. Wonder how Alan Shatter will take this...

Why would it bother Alan Shatter, he's Irish not Israeli (unless that was a bigoitted and intolerant dig at his religion, which is Jewish)

fedor.2.

Mossad en route

Lenin Skynard

Kwack wrote: »

He is being honest! Israel has a lot to answer for. Wonder how Alan Shatter will take this...

He has been quoted as saying "Oi, that Vincent is a putz"

Iwasfrozen

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Why would it bother Alan Shatter, he's Irish not Israeli (unless that was a bigoitted and intolerant dig at his religion, which is Jewish)

But is he a citizen of israel?

Kwack

Starbelgrade

I had a long enough reply to your post but deleted it as I don't want to be banned. Im actually baffled that an Irish person would come out with something like that

--Kaiser--

Vincent Browne is a f*cking moron and don't know why anyone would listen to him

Leslie91

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Why would it bother Alan Shatter, he's Irish not Israeli (unless that was a bigoitted and intolerant dig at his religion, which is Jewish)

Shatter is an Israeli apologist and supporter. I would imagine he'd be offended and angry at Browne's comments.

suicide_circus

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Why would it bother Alan Shatter, he's Irish not Israeli (unless that was a bigoitted and intolerant dig at his religion, which is Jewish)

he is publicly pro Israel

CruelCoin

In other news, same **** different day

sceptre

My continuing disappointment about that entire area is that most people who have a view on it have an extremely simplistic one, despite the entire issue being extremely complicated.

I posted this in 2006:

sceptre wrote: »

I'll have more sympathy for both groups of people when they each properly recognise the right of the other to exist and to have some element of self-determination.

Until they do that they might as well be a shower of muck savages throwing sophisticated rocks at each other and bringing up their children to hate the enemy who isn't them.

Might sound a tad harsh but I'm sick of people having either a completely pro-Israeli or completely pro-Palestinian attitude (I'm not accusing the original poster of this, at least not yet, but it's pretty common) and pushing it about when it's plain to anyone who bothers to look that they're all acting like a crowd of children with some very dangerous toys to throw out of the pram. I'm not appalled, at this stage I expect little better from either side. If they ever manage to stop acting like crybabies with bombs they can come to my house for tea. Until then, no tea for them.

Also this in 2006:

sceptre wrote: »

I think it's clear from this thread alone that there are quite a number of people in this country who support Israel's actions and additionally a few of us who maintain that both sides are acting like prepubescent children with bombs arguing over a large sandpit where a few public spankings for leaders of both sides wouldn't be undeserved.

My view hasn't changed and probably won't change until the people who caused that view to exist take the time to change. There's a pair of them in it, as the saying goes.

Mal-Adjusted

Oi vei

Leslie91

sceptre wrote: »

My continuing disappointment about that entire area is that most people who have a view on it have an extremely simplistic one, despite the entire issue being extremely complicated.

I posted this in 2006:


Also this in 2006:


My view hasn't changed and probably won't change until the people who caused that view to exist take the time to change. There's a pair of them in it, as the saying goes.

I agree that it is v complicated but....

What do you mean 'until the people who caused that view to exist take the time to change'?, who do you think caused 'that view' to exist?, what is that view per se?

smurgen

sceptre wrote: »

My continuing disappointment about that entire area is that most people who have a view on it have an extremely simplistic one, despite the entire issue being extremely complicated.

I posted this in 2006:


Also this in 2006:


My view hasn't changed and probably won't change until the people who caused that view to exist take the time to change. There's a pair of them in it, as the saying goes.

Of course it's complcated - i don't think anyone is denying that. It doesn't mean Vincent Browne isn't right thought.

golondrinas

My uncle was a chaplain with the british forces in Palastine after the war. He held the rank of Capt. and was provided witha batman plus jeep complete with machine gun mounted escort. Reason? the brit intel uncovered a plot to kidnap him.The israelis thought it might be more humane to give the last rights to the young naieve Irishmen who joined the Palestine Police force- before they executed them.
wish U had time ro relate the other horror stories. You thought Hitler was bad - give mw a break!!

sceptre

Leslie91 wrote: »

I agree that it is v complicated but....

What do you mean 'until the people who caused that view to exist take the time to change'?, who do you think caused 'that view' to exist?, what is that view per se?

Well, as "that view" is my view and I've included what "that view" is and why ...:)

Are you asking who I think started it? The short answer (in line with my comments on the petulant children) is that it doesn't particularly matter who started it. But, as neither side can agree as to when it started, who owns the olive grove (or the sand pit) or who/what gave them the right to claim that they own it to the exclusion of the other, I don't see it as all that useful to go back in history or pseudo-history to discover who threw the first lump of rock. They've both done some very stupid things and placed their own people in a place where they feel threatened by the other side. Additionally, they are threatened by the other side. I believe in justice, I believe in punishment where appropriate and I don't particularly agree with the get-out convenience of terrible actions supposedly being acceptable during a war or a siege. It doesn't particularly matter. They're all there now and they all have somewhat of a right to be there and they need to find some way to live with each other, even if they don't like their neighbours. If they can't find that acceptable, then nothing else matters.

It's the same sort of initial premise that they'll eventually have to adopt in Cyprus. It's the same initial premise that they'll (possibly sooner, who knows) have to adopt in Northern Ireland. There are a chunk of other territories in the same situation. I like to compare it to the north-east of our own island with a jaded eye because I know that two core groups of people up there like to do their own comparison anyway.