Sexual predator named as teen drops anonymity

Death and Taxes

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/sexual-predator-named-as-teen-drops-anonymity-3271878.html
What an incredibley brave and determined young lady, and what a total scuzzball Carl Heaton is!

EDDIE WATERS

Hanging to good for some people

squod

What a hero that girl is. She's been through the mill. I'm going to say a prayer for her today.

vicwatson

squod wrote: »

What a hero that girl is. She's been through the mill. I'm going to say a prayer for her today.

What good is a prayer?:rolleyes:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

She said the best thing that happened to her was the birth of her son.

surely she should have had it aborted, disgusting republican that she is.

banned

mattjack

vicwatson wrote: »

What good is a prayer?:rolleyes:

Fair play to ya , you managed to bring a bit of sneering into a thread about a young girl getting raped .
The girl was 15 years of age and the conviction was defilement of a child.A later poster pointed this out to me.There was no rape conviction.

flutterflye

She asked that Heaton be named even if it identified her. There is a child involved here too. So I hope that she manages to stay anonymous for the child's sake, as well as her own.
More pedophiles/rapists need to be outed. All of them actually.n Fair play to her.

Winty

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

surely she should have had it aborted, disgusting republican that she is.

Nice, you have class Sir Digby real class

i71jskz5xu42pb

flutterflye wrote: »

She asked that Heaton be named even if it identified her. There is a child involved here too. So I hope that she manages to stay anonymous for the child's sake, as well as her own.

You're going on like there is some shame in this for her or her child.

Neither she nor her child have done anything wrong. They have nothing to be ashamed of. A fact at least she and her family seem to be aware of.

flutterflye

Londyn Quick Surgery wrote: »

You're going on like there is some shame in this for her or her child.

Neither she nor her child have done anything wrong. They have nothing to be ashamed of. A fact at least she and her family seem to be aware of.

No I'm not. Dafuq??
Seriously, where on earth did you pluck that interpretation?!!

It would be upsetting for a child to learn that they were the result of sexual abuse, so if they are to know at all - it's best coming from the mother, at an appropriate age, in an appropriate manner - not learned from neighbourhood gossip.

Tipsy McSwagger

mattjack wrote: »

Fair play to ya , you managed to bring a bit of sneering into a thread about a young girl getting raped .

She wasn't raped.

splashthecash

vicwatson wrote: »

What good is a prayer?:rolleyes:

What good is a comment like yours? Hardly the place for a thinly veiled "I don't believe in God" post

mattjack

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

She wasn't raped.

Sorry ,defilement of a child... he admitted having sex with a 15 year old.

padd b1975

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

surely she should have had it aborted, disgusting republican that she is.

Stay classy.

9959

squod wrote: »

What a hero that girl is. She's been through the mill. I'm going to say a prayer for her today.

splashthecash wrote: »

What good is a comment like yours? Hardly the place for a thinly veiled "I don't believe in God" post

It was 'squod' who brought a thinly veiled 'I do believe in God' into this thread with his 'I'm going to say a prayer for her today' comment.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

surely she should have had it aborted, disgusting republican that she is.

Banned.

Everyone else; please don't feed the trolls!

K-9

I don't care who started it, there'll be cards from now on in for discussing prayers and not a pretty serious topic. /Mammy speech.

HeyThereDeliah

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

surely she should have had it aborted, disgusting republican that she is.

Why would you say that about her?

I think she is a brave girl to have the baby at her age tbh.

Death and Taxes

Defilement of a child is just a legal term for what is statutory rape.
Playing semantic with the termanology detracts from what the girl suffered and her bravery.

vicwatson

mattjack wrote: »

Fair play to ya , you managed to bring a bit of sneering into a thread about a young girl getting raped .
The girl was 15 years of age and the conviction was defilement of a child.A later poster pointed this out to me.There was no rape conviction.

Right, so praying is going to help is it:rolleyes:

While your at it amend your post and take the word raped out of it as that's a lie.

My name is URL

vicwatson wrote: »

While your at it amend your post and take the word raped out of it as that's a lie.

No it isn't. You're not from Listowel too by any chance are you?

im invisible

So, was it rape, or just statutory rape? Surely if it was rape rape, thats what he would have been charged with?

vicwatson

My name is URL wrote: »

No it isn't. You're not from Listowel too by any chance are you?

Yeh why? Do I know you?:rolleyes:

padd b1975

im invisible wrote: »

So, was it rape, or just statutory rape? Surely if it was rape rape, thats what he would have been charged with?

Nice.

vicwatson

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Defilement of a child is just a legal term for what is statutory rape.
Playing semantic with the termanology detracts from what the girl suffered and her bravery.

Incorrect.

"The Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 2006 makes it a criminal offence to engage or attempt to engage in a sexual act with a child under the age of 15 years. This is what is meant by the term ‘defilement’. The maximum sentence for this offence is life imprisonment."

Eitherway the Paedo is scum of the earth

eviltwin

Whatever the circumstances, this is one brave girl, fair play to her, hopefully his name being out there will prevent another young girl falling victim to him.

My name is URL

im invisible wrote: »

So, was it rape, or just statutory rape? Surely if it was rape rape, thats what he would have been charged with?

He was charged with and plead guilty to defilement of a child. The technicalities aren't really important.

King Of Wishful Thinking

EDDIE WATERS wrote: »

Hanging to good for some people

He had sex with a 15 year old when he was 35 and you think he should be hung? Seriously?

I know the guy behaved like an asshole in other ways also, but even so - suggesting hanging someone for that is quite extreme.

im invisible

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nice.

mattjack

vicwatson wrote: »

Right, so praying is going to help is it:rolleyes:

While your at it amend your post and take the word raped out of it as that's a lie.

I've acknowledged my mistake, I certainly didn't purposely mislead anyone.

Grayson

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nice.

to be fair, statutary rape can occur between two consenting individuals whos age differs by just a couple of years.
I realise the guy's way older in this case, but there are many times when you could be justified saying "just statuary rape"

Besides, remember that girl who ran away to france with her teacher, she was the same age as this girl.

Ellis Dee

There's nothing actually new about a victim of a sexual offence waiving her right to anonymity. An example that immediately springs to mind is that of Lavinia Kerwick, who did so to protest at what she considered excessively lenient treatment by a court of the person convicted of raping her.

http://www.advertiser.ie/kilkenny/article/15100

From an article by Fintan O'Toole in the Irish Times about women who brought about important changes in Irish society:

"Lavinia Kerwick

In July 1992, William Conry, an 18-year-old man who had pleaded guilty to rape, walked free from court after the judge adjourned sentence for a year to “give him a chance”. The victim, Lavinia Kerwick, who was 19, sobbed and screamed that Conry had “got away with it”. She then did something that had never been done before. Kerwick sacrificed her anonymity in order to talk about the case, the first time a woman in Ireland who had been raped chose to do so. The controversy that followed did a great deal to change public attitudes to rape and criminal justice. Kerwick was subsequently hospitalised as a result of anorexia. In July 1992 she met with minister for justice Padraig Flynn who promised her that “what happened to me will never happen to any other woman in the future”. The Criminal Justice Bill which emerged a few months later allowed the DPP to appeal against what he considered unduly lenient sentences. It also instructed courts to consider the long-term impact of the crime on the victim. In July 1993, Conry was brought back to court for sentencing. He received a suspended sentence of nine years, again creating great distress for Kerwick."


What I find rather bemusing in the article about the case now under discussion is this: "In her victim impact statement, the girl said that Heaton "put me through hell".

She said the best thing that happened to her was the birth of her son."

Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a bit of a contradiction there.

Grayson

Ellis Dee wrote: »

She said the best thing that happened to her was the birth of her son."

Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a bit of a contradiction there.

Not really. I can understand how for some women they would forever identify the child with the childs father. But there are others that wouldn't.

HeyThereDeliah

Ellis Dee wrote: »

She said the best thing that happened to her was the birth of her son."

Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a bit of a contradiction there.

Not really its her baby, the father might not be a nice person but its not stopping her loving her baby.

enda1

vicwatson wrote: »

Incorrect.

"The Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 2006 makes it a criminal offence to engage or attempt to engage in a sexual act with a child under the age of 15 years. This is what is meant by the term ‘defilement’. The maximum sentence for this offence is life imprisonment."

Eitherway the Paedo is scum of the earth

She was 15, not under 15.

He is not a "Paedo". Jesus some posts in here are truly moronic.

BrendaN_f

article doesn't seem to mention anything about force, etc...
not condoning what happened, but at 15, despite what the law says, most people are smart and self-aware enough to make their own decisions. i don't see how this girl is "brave" or "a hero" or anything of the sort. what about the thousands of 15 year olds who know it's not a good idea to get involved with a man 20 years your senior when you're still in secondary school. i don't have the full story here, but i think it's naive to act as if the girl played no part

charlemont

flutterflye wrote: »

She asked that Heaton be named even if it identified her. There is a child involved here too. So I hope that she manages to stay anonymous for the child's sake, as well as her own.
More pedophiles/rapists need to be outed. All of them actually.n Fair play to her.

Every last one of them once convicted should be named..Its amazing how people can end up on the paper for stupid stuff like no car tax, drunkenness or for having some Hash on them yet these peado's and rapists get protected from the media.

Fighting Irish

mattjack wrote: »

raped .
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:rolleyes:

vicwatson

enda1 wrote: »

She was 15, not under 15.

He is not a "Paedo". Jesus some posts in here are truly moronic.

15 years and under is the definition - I agree that there really are some moronic posts here

Why is he not a Paedophile/Paedo?

Callan57

Londyn Quick Surgery wrote: »

You're going on like there is some shame in this for her or her child.

Neither she nor her child have done anything wrong. They have nothing to be ashamed of. A fact at least she and her family seem to be aware of.

Well said ... indeed this girl and her family have much to be proud of & I for one applaud her. Concern to protect the victim has too often been used to shield the criminal

starviewadams

charlemont wrote: »

Every last one of them once convicted should be named..Its amazing how people can end up on the paper for stupid stuff like no car tax, drunkenness or for having some Hash on them yet these peado's and rapists get protected from the media.

If they named ''every last one of them'' then their victims right to anonymity could be comprimised.

Very different and delicate situation then naming someone convicted of a victimless minor offence like the ones you mentioned.

vicwatson

mattjack wrote: »

I've acknowledged my mistake, I certainly didn't purposely mislead anyone.

But you haven't edited the post?

My name is URL

vicwatson wrote: »

15 years and under is the definition - I agree that there really are some moronic posts here

Why is he not a Paedophile/Paedo?

Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescant children. Ephebophiles are attracted to teenagers.

vicwatson wrote: »

But you haven't edited the post?

Why should he? You said that saying she was raped is a lie. She gave birth to the guy's child, so obviously she was raped.. it doesn't matter if it was statutory rape or otherwise.

vicwatson

My name is URL wrote: »

Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescant children. Ephebophiles are attracted to teenagers.



Why should he? You said that saying she was raped is a lie. She gave birth to the guy's child, so obviously she was raped.. it doesn't matter if it was statutory rape or otherwise.

Oh right so the only way to get pregnant is via rape is it?:rolleyes:

She wasn't raped so it is a lie. The poster put the word in bold. It's incorrect.

My name is URL

vicwatson wrote: »

Oh right so the only way to get pregnant is via rape is it?:rolleyes:

She wasn't raped so it is a lie. The poster put the word in bold. It's incorrect.

She was below the age of consent, therefor she could not give legal consent. That's what makes rape rape.. the lack of legally recognisable consent from one party.

i71jskz5xu42pb

flutterflye wrote: »

It would be upsetting for a child to learn that they were the result of sexual abuse

That's the bit I don't get, and maybe it's just me. Does then nature of one's conception matter a whit to anybody? Are you any less a person if you were conceived on a one night stand, in a gang-bang, in an extra marital affair or as a result of sexual abuse.

I think there's a view out there that there's an element of shame attached to being conceived in anything other than a bog standard monogamous married relationship.

Callan57

Londyn Quick Surgery wrote: »

That's the bit I don't get, and maybe it's just me. Does then nature of one's conception matter a whit to anybody? Are you any less a person if you were conceived on a one night stand, in a gang-bang, in an extra marital affair or as a result of sexual abuse.

I think there's a view out there that there's an element of shame attached to being conceived in anything other than a bog standard monogamous married relationship.

Excellent point ... most of us have no idea whatsoever of the circumstances of our conception & probably just aswell

anncoates

I'm an atheist but some of the intolerance in here these days beggars belief. Why is it sanctioned? Who gives a f*ck if somebody wants to pray?

Guy is out of order for sleeping with a girl that young but consensual sex with a 15 year old should not necessarily be reported as sexual predation or rape.

Odysseus

My name is URL wrote: »

Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescant children. Ephebophiles are attracted to teenagers.



Why should he? You said that saying she was raped is a lie. She gave birth to the guy's child, so obviously she was raped.. it doesn't matter if it was statutory rape or otherwise.

Actually it matters a lot, I sure it will matter to the young woman in question. It matters for the judge, and it matters to anybody who may be involved in working with this guy if he was to seek treatment.

There is a big difference for a lot of people in making the distinction between a minor giving consent [even though a minor cannot legally do so] and a violent rape. As we all know a teenager who has sex with his underage girlfriend can end up on the sex offenders list.

newmug

Who the fluck is Carl Heaton anyway? They said on the radio this morningthat the rapist was a "well known RTE celebrity".

RGDATA!

newmug wrote: »

Who the fluck is Carl Heaton anyway? They said on the radio this morningthat the rapist was a "well known RTE celebrity".

different case