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WRH proposed downgrade - protest on Saturday the 23rd of Feb

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Dunmoreroader


    I'll be there and will ask everyone I know to attend too.
    Couple of points:
    1. Would the local sports organisations, scouts etc. postpone anything clashing with the march to allow as many families to attend as possible without upsetting little people?
    2. Shouldn't this be an all-Southeast event/campaign rather than just a Waterford City one? Shouldn't people in Kilkenny, Wexford, S. Tipp & Carlow be implored to protest too on the basis that they are also threatened with losing THEIR Acute regional
    hospital too?


  • Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭Daffodil.d


    I'll be there and will ask everyone I know to attend too.
    Couple of points:
    1. Would the local sports organisations, scouts etc. postpone anything clashing with the march to allow as many families to attend as possible without upsetting little people?
    2. Shouldn't this be an all-Southeast event/campaign rather than just a Waterford City one? Shouldn't people in Kilkenny, Wexford, S. Tipp & Carlow be implored to protest too on the basis that they are also threatened with losing THEIR Acute regional
    hospital too?
    Good point It's important for us to spread this through our own fb pages to people in the surrounding counties highlighting how deeply this will effect them also maybe if someone here is good at writing the points to put it on their boards page if it's not already there. If there were enough people from other counties with something to identify them as where their from for media purposes, it would pack more punch. For example local clubs coming and wearing their colours.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Worth updating this to show that some of our local representatives are working hard for Waterford on this issue. Post up messages from other TDs/Reps that are showing any attempt at working rather than ones just complaining. :)

    From Paudie Coffey (FG TD):
    Some v productive and positive progress made in securing regional support from TDs and Cllrs for SE Hospital Configuration this weekend -

    From Cllr John Cummins (FG Cllr);
    "This morning there was a very productive meeting of Waterford FG councillors & some south KK councillors. A significant briefing document has been compiled on the reconfiguration of hospital services in the SE. Ongoing work with consultants tomorrow & Monday to finalise document & then it will be sent to all FG councillors in the South East prior to a meeting in Kilkenny on Monday 12th involving consultants, royal college of surgeons and all SE FG councillors.

    Significant work on a regional position being done at FG councillor level and this is ongoing at Oireachtas level also. I sincerely hope a similar exercise is being done by all other parties and independent groupings to win universal SE support - argument will not be won in Waterford alone, this is a South East issue!

    Presentation will also be made at Regional Authority by consultants & RCSI - Director & chairman have ceded to this request. The Authority will also make its position known on this important issue".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Sully wrote: »
    Worth updating this to show that some of our local representatives are working hard for Waterford on this issue. Post up messages from other TDs/Reps that are showing any attempt at working rather than ones just complaining. :)

    From Paudie Coffey (FG TD):



    From Cllr John Cummins (FG Cllr);


    Coffey, Deasy and COnways seats were v.rocky before this HSE thing, fair play if he is working hard to make sure it doesnt happen, I hope he succeeeds he is still part of the govt who have systematically raped Waterford and unless something changes, it aint lookin good for our TDs.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/reilly-faces-into-new-storm-over-solo-run-to-downgrade-hospitals-3282216.html

    In the indo today, WRH under particular threat, why is that the case, rest of SE not supporting eachother, poor TDs???? It cant be WRH fault as it one of the most efficient hospitals in the country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Dicky Pride


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Coffey, Deasy and COnways seats were v.rocky before this HSE thing, fair play if he is working hard to make sure it doesnt happen, I hope he succeeeds he is still part of the govt who have systematically raped Waterford and unless something changes, it aint lookin good for our TDs.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/reilly-faces-into-new-storm-over-solo-run-to-downgrade-hospitals-3282216.html

    In the indo today, WRH under particular threat, why is that the case, rest of SE not supporting eachother, poor TDs???? It cant be WRH fault as it one of the most efficient hospitals in the country.

    How do you know it is? Is there facts and figures to back that up? Just wondering.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Max Powers wrote: »


    Coffey, Deasy and COnways seats were v.rocky before this HSE thing, fair play if he is working hard to make sure it doesnt happen, I hope he succeeeds he is still part of the govt who have systematically raped Waterford and unless something changes, it aint lookin good for our TDs.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/reilly-faces-into-new-storm-over-solo-run-to-downgrade-hospitals-3282216.html

    In the indo today, WRH under particular threat, why is that the case, rest of SE not supporting eachother, poor TDs???? It cant be WRH fault as it one of the most efficient hospitals in the country.

    Galway hospital not affected no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    How do you know it is? Is there facts and figures to back that up? Just wondering.


    First and i think only hospital to get green light in govt inspection on efficiencies etc. Also has some of the lowest per patient treatment costs when comopared with other regional and major hospitals


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    Has anyone considered that this could be a nice kite that's being flown that threatens doomsday for the hospital but then after some "trojan" work by the Government TD's they can come out and say that they have secured the hospitals future?

    It's one of the only ways that Government TD's can create victories in constituencies in times of austerity. By threatening cuts that are never going to happen, they can then claim credit for when it's announced that they aren't actually happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    AdMMM wrote: »
    Has anyone considered that this could be a nice kite that's being flown that threatens doomsday for the hospital but then after some "trojan" work by the Government TD's they can come out and say that they have secured the hospitals future?

    It's one of the only ways that Government TD's can create victories in constituencies in times of austerity. By threatening cuts that are never going to happen, they can then claim credit for when it's announced that they aren't actually happening.

    Good Point.I would not rule it out but the problem is can we take the chance?


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Coffey, Deasy and COnways seats were v.rocky before this HSE thing, fair play if he is working hard to make sure it doesnt happen, I hope he succeeeds he is still part of the govt who have systematically raped Waterford and unless something changes, it aint lookin good for our TDs.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/reilly-faces-into-new-storm-over-solo-run-to-downgrade-hospitals-3282216.html

    In the indo today, WRH under particular threat, why is that the case, rest of SE not supporting eachother, poor TDs???? It cant be WRH fault as it one of the most efficient hospitals in the country.

    Don't think they were very rocky tbh. They haven't failed to do anything for Waterford that would put their seats at such a huge risk. There is hardly anybody waiting in the wings and Sinn Fein may be the only people to nick a seat (after frequent 'No Thanks' by the electorate) from Labour id say. Halligan might be rocked by this more than the party TDs IMO.
    AdMMM wrote: »
    Has anyone considered that this could be a nice kite that's being flown that threatens doomsday for the hospital but then after some "trojan" work by the Government TD's they can come out and say that they have secured the hospitals future?

    It's one of the only ways that Government TD's can create victories in constituencies in times of austerity. By threatening cuts that are never going to happen, they can then claim credit for when it's announced that they aren't actually happening.

    Don't be daft. This is a huge huge issue for Waterford and playing politics with such an issue could have serious consequences. A report is underway, that is a fact. It was Sinn Fein that got a leak and ran with the story, not any of the government TDs. Considering no TD showed up (for their own reasons) to that meeting in Waterford on the hospital - surely that would be a massive failure on their part to run with the wind and come out on top?

    One could argue that the rumour mill re: City Status and the effects of the merger could cause them grief. Then you add this on top. Very risk Adam and it could, if anything, benefit your good friend Halligan. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Deise Tom


    Halligan is going on Deise Am in the morning. He has had since Thursday evening to think up what he will say. It should be Good. Ciara Conway was issued the station with a statement. Nothing new there. Its all she does. Statement after Statement. Deasy appears to be still in hiding and shur Coffey will say something and most people will believe him, a case of the blind leading the blind.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Deise Tom wrote: »
    Halligan is going on Deise Am in the morning. He has had since Thursday evening to think up what he will say. It should be Good. Ciara Conway was issued the station with a statement. Nothing new there. Its all she does. Statement after Statement. Deasy appears to be still in hiding and shur Coffey will say something and most people will believe him, a case of the blind leading the blind.

    At least Paudie is going on air. This is the second time he has done so on this issue. Not avoiding it or sending in statements. Happy to be hounded by Billy and the listeners.

    Paudie is one of many working very hard to sort this out. You cant blame a guy for trying his best and for going on local media to ensure people he isn't running away from the issue.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Deise Tom


    Sully wrote: »
    At least Paudie is going on air. This is the second time he has done so on this issue. Not avoiding it or sending in statements. Happy to be hounded by Billy and the listeners.

    Paudie is one of many working very hard to sort this out. You cant blame a guy for trying his best and for going on local media to ensure people he isn't running away from the issue.

    I think we will agree to disagee on this. I know of several people, even the most Fine Gael people that you will get that are fed up with both him and deasy and from the vibes I am getting from them, either will not be getting a vote from them at the next election if they stand. I would go as far as saying from what I am told from these same people, if either were to knock on their door that they will be very brave people, and would want to stand well back in case they have a brush waiting for them.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Deise Tom wrote: »
    I think we will agree to disagee on this. I know of several people, even the most Fine Gael people that you will get that are fed up with both him and deasy and from the vibes I am getting from them, either will not be getting a vote from them at the next election if they stand. I would go as far as saying from what I am told from these same people, if either were to knock on their door that they will be very brave people, and would want to stand well back in case they have a brush waiting for them.

    Well I guess Waterford is divided. I have heard the opposite (not about Deasy, but about Coffey).

    He is doing trojan work on this issue alone - along with other FG members in the area. He has been to a number of meetings on the matter, spoken in the Dail about it ages ago, spoken with the Minister for Health on the matter and spoken in public media to inform people what he is doing. A small sample of his work load on this issue alone.

    The problem is that people have a level of expectation and that Paudie should be pulling in thousands of jobs daily. He cant. But he can highlight the issue and house those responsible to get Waterford a better deal. He can lobby SE Ministers who sit at cabinet to ensure Waterford gets a better deal. He can do private constituency work and so on a personal level with people he has and continues to do lots. He has spoken in the Dail on a number of occasions on various issues. He is constantly on local media, even on big issues of the day, not shying away from the spotlight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Sully wrote: »
    Don't think they were very rocky tbh. They haven't failed to do anything for Waterford that would put their seats at such a huge risk.


    I think most people recongise the systematic raping/killing of Waterford by FG/lab - council merger = less money, VEC, lack of jobs/investment added to that national issues. All this and their overall accepting quietness of this would surely mean our TDs seats are gone if there was an election tomorrow.

    I dont think some people realise the seriousness of the WRH issue until they are bringing their partner/parent/child to Cork for what used to be routine procedure in WRH. It is indefenceable and will haunt those TDs for as long as they live in Waterford


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭Bards


    Max Powers wrote: »
    I think most people recongise the systematic raping/killing of Waterford by FG/lab - council merger = less money, VEC, lack of jobs/investment added to that national issues. All this and their overall accepting quietness of this would surely mean our TDs seats are gone if there was an election tomorrow.

    I dont think some people realise the seriousness of the WRH issue until they are bringing their partner/parent/child to Cork for what used to be routine procedure in WRH. It is indefenceable and will haunt those TDs for as long as they live in Waterford

    add to that list the following from the last time FG/Lab were in power...

    1.) Move directoror of IDA from Waterford to Cork
    2.) Ambulance service moved out of WRH to Wexford General

    so all in all FG/Lab have an envious record of raping Waterford for their own constituencies - Very Selfish and Parish Pump politics of the highest order.

    FF moved the following too

    ESB Offices to Cork
    Bord Gais to Cork
    Mail Sorting Centre to Cork

    SO you can see that Cork has grown at Waterford's expense

    and now CORK want WRH etc.

    at this stage I think we should have a referendum in Waterford to see if we want to remain part of the Republic or go our own way - Personally I would rather we waved goodbye to the banana republic and declare independece.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Dan133269


    Bards wrote: »
    add to that list the following from the last time FG/Lab were in power...

    1.) Move directoror of IDA from Waterford to Cork
    2.) Ambulance service moved out of WRH to Wexford General

    The rainbow coalition moved the ambulance service from WRH to Wexford general? So all ambulances at that time came from Wexford?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭comeraghs




  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Deise Tom


    Dan133269 wrote: »
    The rainbow coalition moved the ambulance service from WRH to Wexford general? So all ambulances at that time came from Wexford?

    Democratic Left (a break away from the Workers Party, who I think in turn are a break away from Sinn Fein, who then merged with Labour), Fine Gael and Labour made up that coalition wasnt it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Junior


    From Ian Noctor's Twitter account "John Deasy lays the blame for the potential downgrade of WRH at the consulatants feet all on Noctor till 6"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭bookworms


    Junior wrote: »
    From Ian Noctor's Twitter account "John Deasy lays the blame for the potential downgrade of WRH at the consulatants feet all on Noctor till 6"

    Is this to put the pressure back on consultants given the current "talks" at present?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    Junior wrote: »
    From Ian Noctor's Twitter account "John Deasy lays the blame for the potential downgrade of WRH at the consulatants feet all on Noctor till 6"
    I just listened to this, he blames the WRH consultants for not being better at negotiating with consultants in Kilkenny, or something like that. I would've though the actual problem here is the Higgins report recommending the breakup of the South East hospital network.

    Also, Deasy didn't explain why he didn't attend the meeting in WIT - just said he told the consultants why he couldn't/wouldn't attend but they didn't pass that information on at the meeting. At the same time he didn't take the opportunity to tell WLR listeners why while he was on air.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭decies


    He had prior arrangements in Dublin or something , noctor had about 3 opportunities to ask him but blew it !!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    "Prior arrangements" is not a suitable excuse for missing such an important meeting. He said stuff about a need for an open debate about the issue - well, if he attended the bloody meeting maybe he could've raised his opinions and had that debate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭jad2007


    He was attending the Public Accounts Committee, the guy from the hospital just said it,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    So Deasy thinks a PAC meeting is more important than a meeting about downgrading WRH. Okay, at least we know his priorities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭banjacksed


    Will this be the straw that breaks the waterford peoples back ? im not political, But it's just taking the ****ing piss.
    All those politicians dont give a **** about the ****e waterford people have to endure. They got their jobs have their salary. thank you waterford. They should be ashamed of themselves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,797 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    AdMMM wrote: »
    Has anyone considered that this could be a nice kite that's being flown that threatens doomsday for the hospital but then after some "trojan" work by the Government TD's they can come out and say that they have secured the hospitals future?

    It's one of the only ways that Government TD's can create victories in constituencies in times of austerity. By threatening cuts that are never going to happen, they can then claim credit for when it's announced that they aren't actually happening.

    Could be one of those things where the cuts end up not being as bad as first reported but there is cuts, nonetheless it's seen a a victory for hard working politicians. :sigh


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    banjacksed wrote: »
    Will this be the straw that breaks the waterford peoples back ? im not political, But it's just taking the ****ing piss.
    All those politicians dont give a **** about the ****e waterford people have to endure. They got their jobs have their salary. thank you waterford. They should be ashamed of themselves

    'All' is inaccurate. Some do care.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭banjacksed


    Sully wrote: »
    'All' is inaccurate. Some do care.

    Yeah the ones that are not in government :pac::pac::pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭blue note


    JPA wrote: »

    Could be one of those things where the cuts end up not being as bad as first reported but there is cuts, nonetheless it's seen a a victory for hard working politicians. :sigh

    I suggested exactly that to a guy at work about an hour ago. I'm half expecting rejoicing when we find out we're just losing some significant services. It's utterly depressing. Parish politics is a lot of what is wrong with this country and now that we're down and out as a country you'd think we might reform? Not a chance. I'm almost expecting some of the wit to be moved to kk or wexford soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Services will be lost to Cork and Dublin , and you are still obsessed with Kilkenny and Wexford.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Swissarmyknife


    Wish we had David Cullinane as one of our TD'S representing us.
    We really need a strong voice strongly protesting against these attacks on our City and County.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Wish we had David Cullinane as one of our TD'S representing us.
    We really need a strong voice strongly protesting against these attacks on our City and County.

    You do. Plus, the government TDs don't listen to Cullinane or Sinn Fein. Hardly anybody does.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Swissarmyknife


    Sully wrote: »
    You do. Plus, the government TDs don't listen to Cullinane or Sinn Fein. Hardly anybody does.

    Not true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Sully wrote: »
    You do. Plus, the government TDs don't listen to Cullinane or Sinn Fein. Hardly anybody does.

    The fun of irish politics. The only power is with ministers.
    Anyone else in parties have a choice. Do what the party says to try work yourself up to be picked as a minister or go against the party and be ignored. But never make an unpopular decision in your own constituency unless you can take credit for something else because you might not be re-elected.
    If in opposition or independent(in most cases) then youre also powerless so just bitch and moan and whinge even though you wont change anything. More wastes of space.
    The entire idea of a political party is weird to me. People shouldnt be able to categorize their entire belief system enough so that you can pick an organisation that you agree with enough to join and follow everything they say. Its just very sheepish.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully



    Not true.

    Yes it is. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Not true.


    Oh yes it is (true)......we are getting near Xmas


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  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Swissarmyknife


    Sully wrote: »
    Yes it is. :)

    Bless,even the biggest of begrudgers wont begrudge him this.

    "THE Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Employment has given its backing to a proposal from Waterford Senator David Cullinane to bring forward a major Jobs Action Plan for the South-East.
    Senator Cullinane has been appointed as the Special Rapporteur and will carry out the extensive consultations with stakeholders from across the region.
    Senator Cullinane said:
    “The South-East has one of the highest unemployment rates in the state at over 19%. It is clear that not enough is being done to create jobs in the region.”
    As Special Rapporteur David Culinane will lead the consultations with all of the relevant stakeholders, including city and county managers, the South East Regional Authority, City and County Enterprise Boards, Enterprise Ireland, IDA, Chambers of Commerce, trade unions, organisations for the unemployed, Údarás na Gaeltachta, other business groups, local development companies, fishing and farming organisations, education providers, elected representatives, community and voluntary groups and the unemployed.
    Senator Cullinane said:
    “The objective is to build on existing plans such as the South-East Unemployment Action Plan and the work of the South-East Employment Forum. It is crucial that the plan is comprehensive, credible, realistic and deliverable.
    “It is vital that the key recommendations are implemented in full and that we all do what we can to bring jobs to Waterford and the South-East.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain



    Bless,even the biggest of begrudgers wont begrudge him this.

    "THE Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Employment has given its backing to a proposal from Waterford Senator David Cullinane to bring forward a major Jobs Action Plan for the South-East.
    Senator Cullinane has been appointed as the Special Rapporteur and will carry out the extensive consultations with stakeholders from across the region.
    Senator Cullinane said:
    “The South-East has one of the highest unemployment rates in the state at over 19%. It is clear that not enough is being done to create jobs in the region.”
    As Special Rapporteur David Culinane will lead the consultations with all of the relevant stakeholders, including city and county managers, the South East Regional Authority, City and County Enterprise Boards, Enterprise Ireland, IDA, Chambers of Commerce, trade unions, organisations for the unemployed, Údarás na Gaeltachta, other business groups, local development companies, fishing and farming organisations, education providers, elected representatives, community and voluntary groups and the unemployed.
    Senator Cullinane said:
    “The objective is to build on existing plans such as the South-East Unemployment Action Plan and the work of the South-East Employment Forum. It is crucial that the plan is comprehensive, credible, realistic and deliverable.
    “It is vital that the key recommendations are implemented in full and that we all do what we can to bring jobs to Waterford and the South-East.”

    Good man David, he got my number one vote, he's definitely our most active politician and people should have realised this rather than not voting for him just because he is Sinn Féin.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Bless,even the biggest of begrudgers wont begrudge him this.

    "THE Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Employment has given its backing to a proposal from Waterford Senator David Cullinane to bring forward a major Jobs Action Plan for the South-East.
    Senator Cullinane has been appointed as the Special Rapporteur and will carry out the extensive consultations with stakeholders from across the region.
    Senator Cullinane said:
    “The South-East has one of the highest unemployment rates in the state at over 19%. It is clear that not enough is being done to create jobs in the region.”
    As Special Rapporteur David Culinane will lead the consultations with all of the relevant stakeholders, including city and county managers, the South East Regional Authority, City and County Enterprise Boards, Enterprise Ireland, IDA, Chambers of Commerce, trade unions, organisations for the unemployed, Údarás na Gaeltachta, other business groups, local development companies, fishing and farming organisations, education providers, elected representatives, community and voluntary groups and the unemployed.
    Senator Cullinane said:
    “The objective is to build on existing plans such as the South-East Unemployment Action Plan and the work of the South-East Employment Forum. It is crucial that the plan is comprehensive, credible, realistic and deliverable.
    “It is vital that the key recommendations are implemented in full and that we all do what we can to bring jobs to Waterford and the South-East.”

    Not saying he doesn't work hard and I have no problem giving him credit where its due. I don't like nor trust Sinn Fein and they keep proving beyond doubt they are an awful party. Highest expenses, regularly involved in expenses scandals north & south, heavy active links with Sinn Fein with a question over their leaders involvement, dishonest, daft policies and so on. Perhaps Cullinane would be better as an Independent.

    My point is that its not only David that is working hard for Waterford. Whatever about Deasy, in the two houses of government we have Paudie Coffey (TD) who does trojan work and Senator Maurice Cummins likewise. Locally we can give credit to a number of FG Cllrs including John Cummins.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    roddie wrote: »

    Those guys are doing absolutely fantastic work. Focusing mostly on the facts, pretty well organised and fighting for our hospital without the bull**** and crappy rants.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Sully wrote: »
    Those guys are doing absolutely fantastic work. Focusing mostly on the facts, pretty well organised and fighting for our hospital without the bull**** and crappy rants.

    One of their aims is to save our city status just like Waterford Gives a Shirt so they both at least recognise that this is an important issue whereas you seem to think its a non-issue.
    However I do think our own councillors are completely inept and a massive shake up is needed but I don't like nor trust the way it singles us out. Limerick will be ok they're big and bold enough to survive.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭Bards


    Sully wrote: »
    Not saying he doesn't work hard and I have no problem giving him credit where its due. I don't like nor trust Sinn Fein and they keep proving beyond doubt they are an awful party. Highest expenses, regularly involved in expenses scandals north & south, heavy active links with Sinn Fein with a question over their leaders involvement, dishonest, daft policies and so on. Perhaps Cullinane would be better as an Independent.

    My point is that its not only David that is working hard for Waterford. Whatever about Deasy, in the two houses of government we have Paudie Coffey (TD) who does trojan work and Senator Maurice Cummins likewise. Locally we can give credit to a number of FG Cllrs including John Cummins.

    Every Party has their Bad Apples - FG are no exception - Michael Lowry for example

    as I said before they only party left open to me that I can vote for is SF. The political establishment have left me with no other option. It is THEIR (The establishment) fault - They are looking after too many vested interests instead of the electorate who THEY are meant to server:mad:

    E.G Lab want to increase the USC for people who earn over €100K per year. FG are trying to block this and make the less well off make up the budget shortfall instead. Is this the kind of society we want?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭vixdname


    All, theres a rally \ martch taking place this Saturday in protest against the downgrading of Waterford Regional Hospital, we need numbers, big numbers to turn out, please do your best to meet in Ballybricken at 12pm and march till 2pm.......DONT LEAVE THE MARCHING TO SOMEONE ELSE, IF WE ALL DO THAT NO ONE WILL TURN UP.

    This will affect YOU, YOUR Spouse, YOUR Girlfriend, YOUR Mother, YOUR Father, YOUR Son, YOUR Daughter, YOUR Friends and YOUR loved ones.

    This is too importrant to ignore.

    Make it to Ballybricken at 12pm this Saturday


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭seven_eleven


    vixdname wrote: »
    All, theres a rally \ martch taking place this Saturday in protest against the downgrading of Waterford Regional Hospital, we need numbers, big numbers to turn out, please do your best to meet in Ballybricken at 12pm and march till 2pm.......DONT LEAVE THE MARCHING TO SOMEONE ELSE, IF WE ALL DO THAT NO ONE WILL TURN UP.

    This will affect YOU, YOUR Spouse, YOUR Girlfriend, YOUR Mother, YOUR Father, YOUR Son, YOUR Daughter, YOUR Friends and YOUR loved ones.

    This is too importrant to ignore.

    Make it to Ballybricken at 12pm this Saturday

    Would definitely attend if I didnt have work :(


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Just to update people on this..
    The leader of the Seanad has said that he would consider his position if the re-grouping of the South East hospitals goes ahead. Waterford's Maurice Cummins was speaking on Deise Am about a report being compiled by Professor Higgins, which if approved by the Health Minister could lead to Kilkenny and Wexford being grouped with Dublin hospitals, and Waterford Regional and South Tipp being grouped with Cork. This could effectively lead to the downgrading of Waterford regional hospital. Senator Cummins also said on Deise Am this morning, that he has seen a leaked report showing that the HSE South is in favour of retaining hospital services in the South East as they stand.

    Maurice Cummins is a Fine Gael Senator.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Swissarmyknife


    Bards wrote: »
    Every Party has their Bad Apples - FG are no exception - Michael Lowry for example

    as I said before they only party left open to me that I can vote for is SF. The political establishment have left me with no other option. It is THEIR (The establishment) fault - They are looking after too many vested interests instead of the electorate who THEY are meant to server:mad:

    E.G Lab want to increase the USC for people who earn over €100K per year. FG are trying to block this and make the less well off make up the budget shortfall instead. Is this the kind of society we want?

    Not forgetting the Fine Gael cll; Fred Forsey,who has been jailed,or the tax defaulter Dr.James Reilly,and his appearance in stubbs gazette.
    Frank Feighan TD,and his failure to pay back a €300k loan,which he ends up in the courts.
    Fidelma healy eames,and her escapades:).
    There is many more shenanigans from Fine Gael.

    Also the broken promises of the "Five point plan",and their "New Era" document.Which are just fit for the fire. Unfortunately.


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