X-Men: Days of Future Past (Bryan Singer)

Dan_Solo

FunLover18 wrote: »

http://www.thebentbullet.com/#!/magneto-trial

Raises more questions than it answers

Doesn't everything in this (very enjoyable) movie. I think it's best not to even consider "timelines" anymore with this franchise. Just treat them all as an entirely new thing.

senordingdong

Thargor wrote: »

He said he was being attacked when it happened I think, pretty weak alright though and a bit cringey when he said he was "one of us", they should have just had him locked up for trying to steal a nuke or something.

How many times has an xmen plot involved breaking magneto out of an elaborate prison?

Dan_Solo

senordingdong wrote: »

How many times has an xmen plot involved breaking magneto out of an elaborate prison?

And how the hell do they catch him again?

Brief_Lives

Hi guys, new user here...
I watched this film only recently and it blew me away it was so good...
The quality of the acting... the quality script... Wolverine actually looking like wolverine (only taller)... Jennifer Lawrence looking every bit the box office draw she is in blue paint and lycra....

couple of holes, I agree, but I will await the extended version before I knock off a couple of percent.... and it is a comic with mutants that have to be given a certain leeway...

anyway... can´t wait for the next additions to the x-men film universe...

username123

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And how the hell do they catch him again?

Plastic bullets?

Dan_Solo

Brief_Lives wrote: »

couple of holes, I agree, but I will await the extended version before I knock off a couple of percent.... and it is a comic with mutants that have to be given a certain leeway...

The plot holes didn't take away from my enjoyment of this particular film. I guess it's more of a "philosophical" problem I have once a show enters the multiverse scenario. Sure, in one particular universe Wolverine and Xavier are in their latest deep sh1t exciting whatever, but there must be a million parallel universes where they're on Malibu beach kicking back with Mai Tais and babes.
It's just a dramatic tension thing I think is lost when they do this.

Dan_Solo

username123 wrote: »

Plastic bullets?

Yeah I guess so. They have those in 1973 it seems anyway. He's just so awesomely powerful I can't wrap my head around how they'd ever catch him, unless some other (equally powerful) X Men are helping the government.

username123

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Yeah I guess so. They have those in 1973 it seems anyway. He's just so awesomely powerful I can't wrap my head around how they'd ever catch him, unless some other (equally powerful) X Men are helping the government.

I know, even if they use non metal weaponry against him, he can control any metal in the environment so you'd imagine he could conjure it up into shields, swords, frisbees, bullets or anything else that might help.

MisterAnarchy

tunguska wrote: »

Like I said, decent enough but just not as good as the previous movie.

I'd agree with that ,overall as a film it was only average.

The plot was too basic ,full of inconsistencies with the other X Men films and even the comics.

Could Charles not just have made Trask forget about the mutants completely and that would have been the end of the sentinel programme instead of all this assassination plot

Simon Kinberg is the main writer ,I'm not really sure how that guy is getting work ,his back catalogue of films is pretty lousy ,Jumper,Mr and Mrs Smith,This Means War,XXX State of the Union.
All very generic dumb films .

RobbingBandit

Anyone else think in the scene we see the twins with their mother looking at the live tv footage of Magneto, Wanda looks a lot younger than Pietro?

humanji

I think they said that it isn't actually Wanda. There's a deleted scene that says who she is (I read that ages ago, but can't remember who they said it was. Possibly Polaris?)

Bacchus

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The plot was too basic ,full of inconsistencies with the other X Men films and even the comics.

The time travelling plot involving transferring Wolverine's mind to his younger self so he can enlist the help of a junkie Charles Xavier and imprisoned Magneto to prevent an assassination on the guy who starts the sentinel program while simultaneously fighting off an attack by the future sentinels is too basic? Comic book movies don't usually have overly intricate plots and often resort to gimicks/powers to paper over cracks but DOFP is far from basic and beautifully intertwines the two timelines to great effect.

There are inconsistencies though within itself and with the other movies. A lot of those inconsistencies existed already though from the previous movies. DOFP did a pretty good job of staying as consistent as possible to the previous movies while also wiping the slate clean for future movies.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Could Charles not just have made Trask forget about the mutants completely and that would have been the end of the sentinel programme instead of all this assassination plot

This can easily be put down to Charles' well established morals about messing with people's heads. He doesn't go for the quick fix solutions with his powers because he knows it's not a long term solution.

Dan_Solo

Bacchus wrote: »

This can easily be put down to Charles' well established morals about messing with people's heads. He doesn't go for the quick fix solutions with his powers because he knows it's not a long term solution.

Wouldn't it have been even easier to send Magneto back to his younger body? Job done?
I've probably missed something obvious here... :-)

Mickeroo

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Wouldn't it have been even easier to send Magneto back to his younger body? Job done?
I've probably missed something obvious here... :-)

Yup, Wolverine's healing factor is the reason he's the only one who be sent back so far I think. I'm nearly sure that it's explained near the start.

Dan_Solo

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yup, Wolverine's healing factor is the reason he's the only one who be sent back so far I think. I'm nearly sure that it's explained near the start.

Sounds familiar. Not sure if I'll be watching again to confirm though.
If I was Magneto I'd almost settle for the one way ticket. Wasn't that the outcome if your "now" body died while your mind is in the past?

Mickeroo

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Sounds familiar. Not sure if I'll be watching again to confirm though.
If I was Magneto I'd almost settle for the one way ticket. Wasn't that the outcome if your "now" body died while your mind is in the past?

Yeah I think so, but I don't think Kitty could have sent Magneto back that far. It wasn't the one way ticket that was the issue it was the stress it put on the body. Magneto would have been dead before reaching the 1970s at all.

MisterAnarchy

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Wouldn't it have been even easier to send Magneto back to his younger body? Job done?
I've probably missed something obvious here... :-)

It wasnt feasible for one thing due to the stress on the body but Magneto was also imprisoned so he wouldnt have been of much use

StaticAge11

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

It wasnt feasible for one thing due to the stress on the body but Magneto was also imprisoned so he wouldnt have been of much use

Heres another connundrum. How did he get out the prision, if Wolverine had never gone back in time?

Nervous Wreck

Xavier wanted to go back but Kitty said even a mind as powerful of his couldn't handle the stress. Wolverine volunteered because his mind would heal. Magneto couldn't have gone anyway because he was in prison. How or when he got out in his original timeline is irrelevant.

Bacchus

StaticAge11 wrote: »

Heres another connundrum. How did he get out the prision, if Wolverine had never gone back in time?

Ah time travel paradox's. It's best not to think about them too hard. Since we can assume though that the DoFP time travel logic means Wolverine didn't "always go back and break out Magneto".... we can only presume someone else breaks him out. We'll probably never find out who since that timeline is done with.

OwaynOTT

He got out on good behaviour.

pmasterson95

Found this very enjoyable after watching it

senordingdong

Is the extended version on the dvd or are we waiting for a separate release?

humanji

The extended version is coming out mid 2015. It's only got about 10 minutes of footage in it, though.

Bacchus

humanji wrote: »

The extended version is coming out mid 2015. It's only got about 10 minutes of footage in it, though.

Stupid to have such a huge wait, could they not have done a simultaneous release (or even keep it down to a 1 month gap). I've already watched it in the original version release, I'm not going getting it again in 6 months to watch an extra 10 minutes of a movie I've seen twice in the previous 12 months.

humanji

Yeah, unless their's a whole heap of additional content being released with it, it's a bit sh*tty to just not have the one version.

Nervous Wreck

I'm surprised they're even releasing an extended edition; really wouldn't have thought there'd be a demand for it...

Wedwood

I usually like superhero movies, but these X-Men ones I can't abide.

How they make the money and subsequent sequels escapes me.

pixelburp

humanji wrote: »

The extended version is coming out mid 2015. It's only got about 10 minutes of footage in it, though.

I'm presuming the 10 minutes cut will involve

the previously reported scenes featuring a jailbreak of Rogue from one of the future prisons. All of the sub-plot involving her was cut, Anna Paquins character completely disappearing from the cinematic release (although you can see her in one of the early trailers)

don ramo

StaticAge11 wrote: »

Heres another connundrum. How did he get out the prision, if Wolverine had never gone back in time?

he didnt get out of prison, thats why the sentinels ended up destroying everything, wolverine was sent back to erase the future where he was sent back in the first place,

so the actual question is, if the future has been altered and the sentinels didnt destroy everything, who went back to free magneto to stop the sentinels destroying everything :D

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

he didnt get out of prison, thats why the sentinels ended up destroying everything, wolverine was sent back to erase the future where he was sent back in the first place,

Nope, there are two timelines here. The original one and the one created when Wolverine is sent back (from the original timeline) to the 70's in DoFP.

In the original timeline, Magneto gets out (somehow) because we see him in the X-Men trilogy movies. We also must assume that the Sentinel program gets shut down (temporarily) at some point in the original timeline as we don't see them in it bar a reference to them in the training room in X3 (that actually links quite nicely with what we learn in DoFP).

don ramo wrote: »

so the actual question is, if the future has been altered and the sentinels didnt destroy everything, who went back to free magneto to stop the sentinels destroying everything :D

Different timelines. Wolverine is still sent back from the original timeline which ceased to exist once he 'woke up' - cementing the new timeline in place (the timeline where the sentinel program is shut down permanently).

If you want to start getting into the nitty gritty of time travel paradoxes, good luck to you, you'll never get the answers you want, only more questions. It's better to just accept the internal logic of the movie as the bible for how time travel works

pmasterson95

pixelburp wrote: »

I'm presuming the 10 minutes cut will involve

the previously reported scenes featuring a jailbreak of Rogue from one of the future prisons. All of the sub-plot involving her was cut, Anna Paquins character completely disappearing from the cinematic release (although you can see her in one of the early trailers)

Well it is called "The Rogue Cut" afaik......Ink would probably have appeared in those shots aswell. They showed him herded in at the very start.

don ramo

Bacchus wrote: »

Nope, there are two timelines here. The original one and the one created when Wolverine is sent back (from the original timeline) to the 70's in DoFP.

In the original timeline, Magneto gets out (somehow) because we see him in the X-Men trilogy movies. We also must assume that the Sentinel program gets shut down (temporarily) at some point in the original timeline as we don't see them in it bar a reference to them in the training room in X3 (that actually links quite nicely with what we learn in DoFP).



Different timelines. Wolverine is still sent back from the original timeline which ceased to exist once he 'woke up' - cementing the new timeline in place (the timeline where the sentinel program is shut down permanently).

If you want to start getting into the nitty gritty of time travel paradoxes, good luck to you, you'll never get the answers you want, only more questions. It's better to just accept the internal logic of the movie as the bible for how time travel works

well i was only making an observation on the question being asked, in that the wrong one was being asked

and also DOFP erased everything that happened in the original trilogy, thus why cyclops, who died in X3, was there at the end when logan was walking through the corridors,

singer reset the entire timeline with DOFP

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

well i was only making an observation on the question being asked, in that the wrong one was being asked

and also DOFP erased everything that happened in the original trilogy, thus why cyclops, who died in X3, was there at the end when logan was walking through the corridors,

singer reset the entire timeline with DOFP

Well I was only making an observation on your observation (which was incorrect - Magneto DID get out of prison, we see him in X-Men 1, 2 & 3). Both questions are valid too BTW, neither are the "wrong" question to ask. It's time travel! There's gonna be questions

The key thing here is that stuff happened with Magneto getting out of prison and the sentinel program stalling that we are never shown in the original timeline. Without Wolverine going back, we must assume Magneto got out by some other means. We must also assume, the original Sentinel program was packed away - all the while the newer Sentinels were being developed.

DOFP did not erase the original timeline exactly. All that stuff still happened but once Wolverine 'woke up' at the end of DOFP, everything that happened in the new timeline took hold. So, it's as if the original timeline never existed but the effects of going back in time from the original timeline were cemented in place simultaneously. It's really quite simple :P

With time travel it's always going to be easy to pick holes but I thought DOFP did it quite well, especially considering the inconsistencies that already exist throughout the X-Men movie universe.

don ramo

Bacchus wrote: »

Well I was only making an observation on your observation (which was incorrect - Magneto DID get out of prison, we see him in X-Men 1, 2 & 3). Both questions are valid too BTW, neither are the "wrong" question to ask. It's time travel! There's gonna be questions

DOFP did not erase the original timeline exactly. All that stuff still happened but once Wolverine 'woke up' at the end of DOFP, everything that happened in the new timeline took hold. So, it's as if the original timeline never existed but the effects of going back in time from the original timeline were cemented in place simultaneously. It's really quite simple :P

With time travel it's always going to be easy to pick holes but I thought DOFP did it quite well, especially considering the inconsistencies that already exist throughout the X-Men movie universe.

and cyclops just simply rose from the dead, as did xavier, who also died in X3 and was there even before the timeline was reset, also jean died, yet they all appeared in DOFP, so no, the original trilogy did not happen, some things here and there maybe, maybe 1 at best, cause jean became phoenix in 2, yet she was pretty happy at the end of DOFP walking to hall with cyclops,

so stop saying the same thing i already said, the timeline was reset, simple as

id love if they done the phoenix story again, but with singer on board, that retard rather made a complete balls of it, which is why id say singer reset the whole thing,

Nervous Wreck

don ramo wrote: »

and cyclops just simply rose from the dead, as did xavier, who also died in X3 and was there even before the timeline was reset, also jean died, yet they all appeared in DOFP, so no, the original trilogy did not happen, some things here and there maybe, maybe 1 at best, cause jean became phoenix in 2, yet she was pretty happy at the end of DOFP walking to hall with cyclops,

so stop saying the same thing i already said, the timeline was reset, simple as

id love if they done the phoenix story again, but with singer on board, that retard rather made a complete balls of it, which is why id say singer reset the whole thing,

Well, no, bacchus is correct; all of those things did happen, they've just been written over. The events of DOFP are made possible by Wolverine travelling back through time (kinda) and changing things. The existence of Wolverine from the original timeline and all his memories of that timeline, plus his knowledge of how to change events, compound the fact that the events of the original trilogy occurred. If they hadn't, Wolverine could never have had the knowledge to force change. What results are two possibilities: 1.) Wolverine's intervention has 'overwritten' the original trilogy (but not erased it, or he wouldn't have memories of it), or 2.) Wolverine's intervention has created a multiverse. Option 1 is obviously what Singer was going for cos it's more straightforward and brings the new DOFP timeline into canon.

pmasterson95

There isn't a reset. Just an alternate timeline. This is rather common with X-Men comics. Hell the character of Bishop is from a totally different timeline altogether in the comics. Think of it as Bishops future is the one that DOFP originates. Now they have reset into the 616 universe. Everything happened but it only happened to Wolverine. Colossus, Bishop, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Storm, Blink, Angel are all dead so obviously they can't remember the sentinels because the ones that exerienced the sentinel timeline are dead. The ones Wolverine meets at the end it never happened to these versions. Its just multiple universes.....plain and simple. If you find that complicated I would dissuade you from trying to follow the Summers-Grey family tree as at one stage Jean and Scott are joined by their children from alternate future timelines (including Rachel from DOFP timeline) who are barely younger than their own parents. This is one of the more simplistic timelines to follow.

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

and cyclops just simply rose from the dead, as did xavier, who also died in X3 and was there even before the timeline was reset, also jean died, yet they all appeared in DOFP, so no, the original trilogy did not happen, some things here and there maybe, maybe 1 at best, cause jean became phoenix in 2, yet she was pretty happy at the end of DOFP walking to hall with cyclops,

so stop saying the same thing i already said, the timeline was reset, simple as

id love if they done the phoenix story again, but with singer on board, that retard rather made a complete balls of it, which is why id say singer reset the whole thing,

Xavier was shown at the end of X3 to still be alive and was shown in the Wolverine movie alive and kicking. Both original timeline movies. Cyclops was not in the future of DOFP. Neither was Jean.

They returned at the end of DOFP because Wolverine went back and created the new timeline. A timeline in which, Jean and Cyclops do not die.

The original timeline did happen, but it ceased to exist. It's a very subtle difference to what you are saying (which is probably why you're confusing what I'm saying as "saying the same thing you are"). The events of the original timeline created the new timeline. In that regard, the original timeline DID exist. It just ceased to once Wolverine woke up. Also, Wolverines memories of the original timeline are preserved. There was no reset, a new timeline was created.

pmasterson95

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Well, no, bacchus is correct; all of those things did happen, they've just been written over. The events of DOFP are made possible by Wolverine travelling back through time (kinda) and changing things. The existence of Wolverine from the original timeline and all his memories of that timeline, plus his knowledge of how to change events, compound the fact that the events of the original trilogy occurred. If they hadn't, Wolverine could never have had the knowledge to force change. What results are two possibilities: 1.) Wolverine's intervention has 'overwritten' the original trilogy (but not erased it, or he wouldn't have memories of it), or 2.) Wolverine's intervention has created a multiverse. Option 1 is obviously what Singer was going for cos it's more straightforward and brings the new DOFP timeline into canon.

I'd say 1 & 2 we have just switched to a different Universe from here on. The "original" still occurred, but we are now going to follow the revised timeline as our main "canon" timeline. Since X-Men isn't tied with Avengers/Iron Man etc. they can switch canonical timelines with no major issue.

pmasterson95

The others have explained better than me.



Worth noting tho in the Rogue we see at the end of DoFP has her white streak. She got that after the events of X-Men. So even in the new "revised" timeline the events or at least some of the events of X-Men may have still in fact happened to give her her white streak. Like Hank said "sometimes a ripple wont change the flow or current of the river." Scott and Jean obviously didn't die but I'd say that certain other events did occur even in this "revised" timeline that occured in the "original".

Bacchus

pmasterson95 wrote: »

The others have explained better than me.



Worth noting tho in the Rogue we see at the end of DoFP has her white streak. She got that after the events of X-Men. So even in the new "revised" timeline the events or at least some of the events of X-Men may have still in fact happened to give her her white streak. Like Hank said "sometimes a ripple wont change the flow or current of the river." Scott and Jean obviously didn't die but I'd say that certain other events did occur even in this "revised" timeline that occured in the "original".

It's actually one problem with that final scene in DOFP, they are now pigeon holed to ensure those characters are all alive and well in the year 2014. So, the adventures of McAvoy & Fassbender are constrained slightly. e.g. if they redo the Phoenix story, we know all those characters survive.

don ramo

overwritten, alternative timeline, reset, argument for arguments sake, either way some if not most of the events that we have witnessed in the original trilogy did not happen, as far as the end of DOFP say, no phoenix, no jean, cyclops or xavier deaths,

also Xavier did die at the end of X3, but he transferred his consciousness to another body,

don ramo

Bacchus wrote: »

It's actually one problem with that final scene in DOFP, they are now pigeon holed to ensure those characters are all alive and well in the year 2014. So, the adventures of McAvoy & Fassbender are constrained slightly. e.g. if they redo the Phoenix story, we know all those characters survive.

well mcavoy and fassbenders timeline hasnt changed, and seeing as who they play they will never die,

but you can set the phoenix storyline later, and have a different outcome, cyclops died cause yerman went of to make superman with singer, other than that he would have been in the film longer,

pmasterson95

Bacchus wrote: »

It's actually one problem with that final scene in DOFP, they are now pigeon holed to ensure those characters are all alive and well in the year 2014. So, the adventures of McAvoy & Fassbender are constrained slightly. e.g. if they redo the Phoenix story, we know all those characters survive.

They could swing that differently. One of the early theories was that X-Men Apocalypse could perhaps involve "Age of Apocalypse" timeline

Fan BingBing signed a 5 movie contract and from the comics Blink was best known from the AoA timeline. So while a long shot that could be a way to avoid it.

Alternatively they could technically use two Wolverines. The one who we have saw through all movies and remembers seeing Jean/Cyclops and co. die. Then of course theres this 1963 Wolverine that Mystique took out of the river. They could use this 1963 Wolverine and use that one and the 1963 timeline as the main continuity. Therefore as this timeline is different they could completely re-deal characters fates. This 1963 Wolverine has no adamantium yet. They could redraft his origins and if they do that

it would allow them to simultaneously alter the much maligned Deadpool origins that were created in Wolverine: Origins.

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

overwritten, alternative timeline, reset, argument for arguments sake, either way some if not most of the events that we have witnessed in the original trilogy did not happen, as far as the end of DOFP say, no phoenix, no jean, cyclops or xavier deaths,

also Xavier did die at the end of X3, but he transferred his consciousness to another body,

Not an argument for arguments sake. There is a subtle distinction between how you label it but it is important. Also, you are getting quite a few things wrong (e.g. saying Magneto never got out of prison in your first post that started this) and seem to be just ignoring the posts made disputing your claims that the original trilogy never happened.

What does "as far as the end of DOFP say, no phoenix, no jean, cyclops or xavier deaths" even mean? They died yes. Xavier came back. This is consistent in the future of DOFP. Once the new timeline takes hold and we jump to the present, yes those characters are all alive again. That does not mean the original timeline never happened.

don ramo wrote: »

well mcavoy and fassbenders timeline hasnt changed, and seeing as who they play they will never die,

but you can set the phoenix storyline later, and have a different outcome, cyclops died cause yerman went of to make superman with singer, other than that he would have been in the film longer,

I'm not just talking about those two though, in reference to the bit you quoted me, at the end of DOFP we see a lot of major characters alive and well. Considering that future X-Men movies are in essence prequels to this, we know that all these characters are safe. IMO, that limits the movies going forward. There is the freedom there now, thanks to DOFP, to tell all new stories of course. That's the great outcome of this movie. I just think that it may become a problem for them that they've shown all these characters in the future. It's like they all have a big 'immunity' sign over them now.

don ramo

Bacchus wrote: »

Not an argument for arguments sake. There is a subtle distinction between how you label it but it is important. Also, you are getting quite a few things wrong (e.g. saying Magneto never got out of prison in your first post that started this) and seem to be just ignoring the posts made disputing your claims that the original trilogy never happened.

What does "as far as the end of DOFP say, no phoenix, no jean, cyclops or xavier deaths" even mean? They died yes. Xavier came back. This is consistent in the future of DOFP. Once the new timeline takes hold and we jump to the present, yes those characters are all alive again. That does not mean the original timeline never happened.



I'm not just talking about those two though, in reference to the bit you quoted me, at the end of DOFP we see a lot of major characters alive and well. Considering that future X-Men movies are in essence prequels to this, we know that all these characters are safe. IMO, that limits the movies going forward. There is the freedom there now, thanks to DOFP, to tell all new stories of course. That's the great outcome of this movie. I just think that it may become a problem for them that they've shown all these characters in the future. It's like they all have a big 'immunity' sign over them now.

in my first post i said magneto didn't get out of prison cause the events with the sentinels happened, and he didn't get out to stop it from happening, which he didn't, he may have gotten out at some point, obviously, but he didn't get out the help stop that from happening in time, thus why the events in the film happened in the first place,

so jean being dead happened, yet here she is alive and well, happy out like the phoenix event never happened, which from my point of view seems the case, at the end of DOFP jean had not yet become phoenix,

how can them characters still be alive while also maintaining that the events of the orignal trilogy are to still apply going forward, that just sounds ridiculous, they have happened, but logan is the only one who can remember, those events have no place now going forward cause they have for the most part been rewritten,

and im not on about events within the universe being reset, im saying the franchise is being reset, there is no mention of alternative timelines in the film, its one affect effecting other events, within one timeline, singer has more or less reset the whole thing,

pah

IMO this is the same kind of alternate timeline that Abrahms has done with star trek. I believe they coexist in a multiverse environments.

Maybe that's the plan

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

in my first post i said magneto didn't get out of prison cause the events with the sentinels happened, and he didn't get out to stop it from happening, which he didn't, he may have gotten out at some point, obviously, but he didn't get out the help stop that from happening in time, thus why the events in the film happened in the first place,

Ok, you've elaborated a bit now on what you mean. In the first place, the other poster asked how did Magneto get out of prison if Wolverine never got sent back. You said he didn't get out of prison. I said he did cause you see him in the original X-Men trilogy, that we were just never shown how, it was irrelevant. Why could you not have just elaborated THEN that you only meant he did not get out for the events of this movie and saved us a lot of time!

Now that we're clear on that. Yes we've no idea how the events of the 1970s program played out without Wolverines intervention. I think it is safe to assume it was not a success but it was the platform for Trask industries to develop the super advanced one in secret until they launched a new Sentinel program some time after X-3. I'm pretty sure Xavier mentions in DOFP that the events at the Golden Gate bridge triggered this. This leads us to Wolverine needing to go back and create the new timeline.

don ramo wrote: »

so jean being dead happened, yet here she is alive and well, happy out like the phoenix event never happened, which from my point of view seems the case, at the end of DOFP jean had not yet become phoenix,

In the new timeline, Jean is clearly alive yes. That has no bearing on the original timeline though. Events in this new timeline played out differently. That is perfectly ok - though as I said already, they're kinda pigeon holed now to ensure she is alive at the end of the Phoenix story whenever they do it.

don ramo wrote: »

how can them characters still be alive while also maintaining that the events of the orignal trilogy are to still apply going forward, that just sounds ridiculous, they have happened, but logan is the only one who can remember, those events have no place now going forward cause they have for the most part been rewritten,

You're missing the point (or refusing to accept it because you even acknowledge Wolverine has the memories), the original timeline happened BUT it ceased to exist once Wolverine 'woke up' and the new timeline was cemented in place. It is explained in the movie before they send Wolverine back. Yes, it is a bit flimsy but that is the internal logic of the movie. That is how time travel works in DOFP.

Try think of it linearly...
Original Timeline:
Wolverine Origins -> X-Men First Class -> X1 -> X2 -> X3 -> The Wolverine -> DOFP (future scenes)

That is the original timeline with the final battle in DOFP being the conclusion of that timeline.

New Timeline...
Wolverine Origins -> X-Men First Class -> DOFP (1970's scenes) -> ...

The new timeline branches away from the original once Wolverine wakes up in the water bed with the girl. That cannot happen with the events in the original timeline taking place. The original timeline CREATED the new one, therefore it existed! It ceased to exist though so whatever happens now with McAvoy, Fassbender & co is up for grabs, they can rewrite events however they want.

don ramo wrote: »

and im not on about events within the universe being reset, im saying the franchise is being reset, there is no mention of alternative timelines in the film, its one affect effecting other events, within one timeline, singer has more or less reset the whole thing,

There is. It is explained to Wolverine before he goes back that both timelines (past and present) coexist until he wakes up and then the new timeline takes hold.

Ultimately this is a reset of the complicated continuity that X-3 created but it's not a straight up reset. You don't watch the original timeline movies and go "well none of that ever happened", cause it did and it led to DOFP where those characters took a final stand to try and fix the past.

pmasterson95

Actually Bacchus I doubt that Wolverine Origins is part of revised timeline? Revised timeline Wolverine has bone-claws. Not the adamantium he had at the end of origins.

Bacchus

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Actually Bacchus I doubt that Wolverine Origins is part of revised timeline? Revised timeline Wolverine has bone-claws. Not the adamantium he had at the end of origins.

Actually I think you're right, was that mostly set in the 70s/80s? That series of events will have changed since Stryker is actually Mystique in the new timeline.