X-Men: Days of Future Past (Bryan Singer)

don ramo

Bacchus wrote: »

There is. It is explained to Wolverine before he goes back that both timelines (past and present) coexist until he wakes up and then the new timeline takes hold.

so when he woke the old timeline is erased, so many of the events we have witnessed in X1-3 may no longer apply, even magneto being broke out of prison by logan could have completely changed the timeline,

cause as i said he got out eventually anyway, but the events of DOFP would unquestionably alter the timeline in massive ways that we dont know, which is why i said the whole thing could more or less be reset,

most time travel logic is that small changes may have little to no effect on the future, DOFP was a massive change, so the effects would be much larger also,

my main point is that in future films i think we can more or less forget the events of the original X1-3 films, mainly the 3rd one, because of what happened in this film,

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

so when he woke the old timeline is erased, so many of the events we have witnessed in X1-3 may no longer apply, even magneto being broke out of prison by logan could have completely changed the timeline,

cause as i said he got out eventually anyway, but the events of DOFP would unquestionably alter the timeline in massive ways that we dont know, which is why i said the whole thing could more or less be reset,

most time travel logic is that small changes may have little to no effect on the future, DOFP was a massive change, so the effects would be much larger also,

my main point is that in future films i think we can more or less forget the events of the original X1-3 films, mainly the 3rd one, because of what happened in this film,

You're nearly there. To say the original timeline is erased is ok as long you understand they still happened (something you've been refuting). This new timeline could not have come into being without the original. The actions of the characters in the original timeline dramatically changes the course of events in the past, creating the new timeline. Also, this is the X-Men, we could easily see the original timeline appear again

To be a pedant... I pointed out that Magneto got out eventually. You said he never got out and only after a couple of posts you retconned your stance. I never said either that events of DOFP would NOT alter the timeline at all, the opposite in fact - it created a whole NEW timeline!

If that was your main point all along, you did not do a good job expressing it. I mostly agree with what you say in this post but I don't think the events in the original X-Men movie (or Wolverine spin offs) can be forgotten about. Their story culminated in DOFP resulting the creation of a new timeline. A timeline in which any future X-Men movies are free to explore new stories not tied to the original timeline.

pmasterson95

Bacchus wrote: »

Actually I think you're right, was that mostly set in the 70s/80s? That series of events will have changed since Stryker is actually Mystique in the new timeline.

Not 100% sure but the claws indicate this is before his adamantium procedure. Maybe Mystique leaves him with Stryker and it happens again or my own theory

Wolverine gets equipped with the adamantium maybe from Apocalypse. Not dissimilar to how Angel became Archangel in the comics and Wolverine with adamantium becomes one of the Horsemen

I'd imagine Wolverine Origins will be almost completely re-done. Fox cant use any of the Avengers so will have to resort to other X-Men characters. The fact stand alone films for Gambit AND Deadpool (both of which appeared in Origins, except now Kitsch has been replaced by Tatum for Remy) are in the pipeline makes me think both characters will be totally re-done. Especially if they want Gambit to cameo in Apocalypse. And Deadpools origins were incredibly poorly recieved so if they really want the Deadpool movie to work they NEED to redo his background.


I'm not sure if the years match exactly right but for the studio it'd be best to exclude Wolverine Origins from the revised timeline as it then clears the deck for two fan favourites (Gambit & Deadpool) and showing Wolverine recieving his claws in a different manner would help solidify the whole timeline issues that are confusing some fans.

don ramo

Bacchus wrote: »

You're nearly there. To say the original timeline is erased is ok as long you understand they still happened (something you've been refuting). This new timeline could not have come into being without the original. The actions of the characters in the original timeline dramatically changes the course of events in the past, creating the new timeline. Also, this is the X-Men, we could easily see the original timeline appear again

To be a pedant... I pointed out that Magneto got out eventually. You said he never got out and only after a couple of posts you retconned your stance. I never said either that events of DOFP would NOT alter the timeline at all, the opposite in fact - it created a whole NEW timeline!

If that was your main point all along, you did not do a good job expressing it. I mostly agree with what you say in this post but I don't think the events in the original X-Men movie (or Wolverine spin offs) can be forgotten about. Their story culminated in DOFP resulting the creation of a new timeline. A timeline in which any future X-Men movies are free to explore new stories not tied to the original timeline.

well yeah they happened, i can go watch them now, the DVDs didnt disappear, its just for X-Men apocalypse there really is no need to remember what happened in them, cause due to what happened in DOFP they are now irrelevant in this new timeline,

not my fault you couldn't follow my broken logic;):D:D

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

well yeah they happened, i can go watch them now, the DVDs didnt disappear, its just for X-Men apocalypse there really is no need to remember what happened in them, cause due to what happened in DOFP they are now irrelevant in this new timeline,

not my fault you couldn't follow my broken logic;):D:D

It will be interesting to see if they do actually break completely from the original timeline. This is the X-Men after all so anything is possible, though for the movies I imagine they won't want to complicate things further by going back there. My guess would be though at the Apocalypse story (which never happened in the original timeline) will come about in the new timeline due to the events in DOFP (in the comics, alternate timelines were involved when Apocalypse choose to reveal himself).

JP Liz V1

Is Magneto Peter aka Quicksilver’s dad?

FunLover18

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is Magneto Peter aka Quicksilver’s dad?

Yes

helimachoptor

Can anything kill the sentinels?

OwaynOTT

helimachoptor wrote: »

Can anything kill the sentinels?

They drop by the dozen in the cartoon. Heck even Jubilee can take them out.



On another note, there's a rogue cut being released in Jully of this. Apparently there's an extra 20 minutes or so of footage with Rogue.
Looking forward to it after watching the directors cut of Daredevil, which was vastly improved by the extra material.

Turtyturd

OwaynOTT wrote: »

They drop by the dozen in the cartoon. Heck even Jubilee can take them out.

Different Sentinel types, no?

The giant ones in the cartoon would have been Mark (gonna go with VI) while the ones in the film would have been based on the Nimrod types, which I don't think could be destroyed in the cartoon either.

Bacchus

helimachoptor wrote: »

Can anything kill the sentinels?

Been a while since I've watched it but a fair few were taken out by Magneto & Storm blowing up the X-Wing in the middle of a swarm of them. Bishop took out a few too I think. The big problem for the X-Men in DOFP was that the Sentinels outnumbered the X-Men so they were able to gang up on the more powerful mutants.

helimachoptor

Bacchus wrote: »

Been a while since I've watched it but a fair few were taken out by Magneto & Storm blowing up the X-Wing in the middle of a swarm of them. Bishop took out a few too I think. The big problem for the X-Men in DOFP was that the Sentinels outnumbered the X-Men so they were able to gang up on the more powerful mutants.

but i dont understand that...

they get blown up.. why dont they turn into diamond like one of them does when hes getting blasted with fire, the reason i ask is i watched a few of the cartoon aswell and they were just getting smashed to pieces.

Bishop did take a few out but when they are up close, he shoots and they are fine

Deano7788

helimachoptor wrote: »

but i dont understand that...

they get blown up.. why dont they turn into diamond like one of them does when hes getting blasted with fire, the reason i ask is i watched a few of the cartoon aswell and they were just getting smashed to pieces.

Bishop did take a few out but when they are up close, he shoots and they are fine

The ones in the future are Nimrod sentinels rather than the regular ones in the cartoon, which are closer to the 70s model. The Nimrod sentinel in the cartoon also came from the future. It was white with a pink face, was roughly human sized and pretty much indestructible also.

OwaynOTT

Turtyturd wrote: »

Different Sentinel types, no?

The giant ones in the cartoon would have been Mark (gonna go with VI) while the ones in the film would have been based on the Nimrod types, which I don't think could be destroyed in the cartoon either.

Missed your chance to 'is not different sentinel types, ya Nimrod.'

Bacchus

helimachoptor wrote: »

but i dont understand that...

they get blown up.. why dont they turn into diamond like one of them does when hes getting blasted with fire, the reason i ask is i watched a few of the cartoon aswell and they were just getting smashed to pieces.

Bishop did take a few out but when they are up close, he shoots and they are fine

Because they did not have the time to adapt. With the other examples, it took them a few seconds to adapt to counter the mutant power they were facing. They didn't have time to adapt to getting blown up. It's a shaky argument alright, they pretty much appear indestructible in the movie which is why the stakes are so high.

I've no comment on the cartoon stuff or how that relates to the movie.

pmasterson95

Bacchus wrote: »

Because they did not have the time to adapt. With the other examples, it took them a few seconds to adapt to counter the mutant power they were facing. They didn't have time to adapt to getting blown up. It's a shaky argument alright, they pretty much appear indestructible in the movie which is why the stakes are so high.

I've no comment on the cartoon stuff or how that relates to the movie.

Yep thats it. The exploding X-Jet gave them no chance same with the initial success of the Bishop/Blink and Blink/Colossus partnerships. Eventually tho they adapted and countered each mutant one at a time.

Brief_Lives

I watched this movie again last night... brilliant stuff. Easily the best X-Men movie in my opinion. I hope, like the Dark Knight trilogy, this isn´t the best one and we are let down by the third act.

I am also very happy that the X-Men are not in the larger Marvel comic universe. So many mutants in a movie is hard enough to manage without cluttering it up with other comic book heroes.

TonyD79

I thought the first one - X men first class was far better and up there with X Men 2 as the best of the series.

As for being linked to the Marvel Universe I would prefer if it was but only for Wolverine to be in the Avengers film. Having Hugh Jackman make his final appearance in the next Avengers film would have been great.

don ramo

X-Men is probably the only consistent non owned marvel franchise going, its the only one that you just cant ever seeing marvel getting back, i can nearly see them getting fantastic 4 back in a few years, unless FOX just adds them to the X-Men universe or something,

the spiderman franchise seemed to be going into overdrive there for a bit, but now that marvel is making its own spiderman film i dunno if sony have abandoned their plans for the venom and sinister six spinoffs and that, and it sounds like andrew garfield is done with spiderman,

i still havent rewatch DOFP, that needs to happen soon id say, i thought it was a little bit better than first class which was also great,i like the dark knight but i dont get the outpouring of love for it, i thought batman begins was the best of that trilogy, not that the others were bad, but i thought they had more problems than the first,

.ak

TonyD79 wrote: »

I thought the first one - X men first class was far better and up there with X Men 2 as the best of the series.

As for being linked to the Marvel Universe I would prefer if it was but only for Wolverine to be in the Avengers film. Having Hugh Jackman make his final appearance in the next Avengers film would have been great.

X-Men 2 is the best for me, X-Men 1 a close second.

Days of Future past is up there, but some of the future stuff was a bit shoddy imo.

As poor as X-Men 3 is I still think the

Professor X death scene is still the best scene in all of the movies. Unfortunately it didn't make up for the rest of it

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

X-Men is probably the only consistent non owned marvel franchise going, its the only one that you just cant ever seeing marvel getting back, i can nearly see them getting fantastic 4 back in a few years, unless FOX just adds them to the X-Men universe or something,

Yeah, FF will go the way of Spidey in a few years I'd say. Fox just don't know what to do with the property and at this point are only holding on to it (by making crap movies) to spite Marvel.

don ramo wrote: »

the spiderman franchise seemed to be going into overdrive there for a bit, but now that marvel is making its own spiderman film i dunno if sony have abandoned their plans for the venom and sinister six spinoffs and that, and it sounds like andrew garfield is done with spiderman,

That's all scrapped now I'd say. Spidey is part of the MCU so that would include the villains.

don ramo wrote: »

i still havent rewatch DOFP, that needs to happen soon id say, i thought it was a little bit better than first class which was also great,i like the dark knight but i dont get the outpouring of love for it, i thought batman begins was the best of that trilogy, not that the others were bad, but i thought they had more problems than the first,

I recommend watching the Rogue cut. I enjoyed the extra scenes and they fit well in the plot.

FunLover18

Bacchus wrote:

That's all scrapped now I'd say. Spidey is part of the MCU so that would include the villains.

Well they're still owned by Sony but I think you're right the Sinister Six film has been scrapped. If Sony want the financial benefits of being linked to the MCU they won't do anything to upset that relationship. AFAIK Marvel don't want a SS movie

don ramo

FunLover18 wrote: »

Well they're still owned by Sony but I think you're right the Sinister Six film has been scrapped. If Sony want the financial benefits of being linked to the MCU they won't do anything to upset that relationship. AFAIK Marvel don't want a SS movie

yeah id love to know all the details of what marvel and sony have planned, marvel will make use of every character they can, the MCU is just starting phase 3, which could be the end of the road for this avengers team, and after that theyll start making use of the sony deal, maybe get the fantastic 4 rights back also,

marvel have done a lot for someone missing more or less all their main characters, think before 2008 who would have thought wed see a iron man or thor film,

now FOX are also supposedly working with Marvel to make an X-Men tv show, FOX dont have the tv rights, but because FOX and Disney dont get on there hasnt been an X-Men tv series in years, i dunno where they would go with an X-Men TV show, especially with the films doing so well for them, be weird recasting all the major characters,

Bacchus

don ramo wrote: »

now FOX are also supposedly working with Marvel to make an X-Men tv show, FOX dont have the tv rights, but because FOX and Disney dont get on there hasnt been an X-Men tv series in years, i dunno where they would go with an X-Men TV show, especially with the films doing so well for them, be weird recasting all the major characters,

I hope they don't try an X-Men TV show. The X-Men work great on the big screen with a big budget, why dilute it and turn them into something like Heroes or that other failed show about "mutants". Also, as you say it'd mean recasting the major characters again and would be a continuity nightmare to fit with the movies.

Nervous Wreck

They'd be much better off doing an X-Factor TV show imo.

Skerries

I can see it being a 'mutant' show as opposed to a true X-Men tv series with other characters from MCU or new mutants altogether