*Everything HPAT and Medicine 2014*

cian casey

Does anyone know what the combined points rage was for the various colleges ??

Raspberry Fileds

cian casey wrote: »

Does anyone know what the combined points rage was for the various colleges ??

What do you mean by "combined points-range"? Trinity (the highest) was 732* and Galway (the lowest) was 721. Both of those could still fall because, as was discussed previously, as many as sixty more offers will have to be made.

Header15

Raspberry Fileds wrote: »

What do you mean by "combined points-range"? Trinity (the highest) was 732* and Galway (the lowest) was 721. Both of those could still fall because, as was discussed previously, as many as sixty more offers will have to be made.

UCD changed from 731* to 731 today after the third round I was told by admissions.

cian casey

I should have been clearer, I know the minimum points so far but I'm just curious as to whether they'll release the highest points

Raspberry Fileds

Header15 wrote: »

UCD changed from 731* to 731 today after the third round I was told by admissions.

Thanks. I expet Galway will fall (possibly by 2-4 points) because, as it's the lowest points course, many of those who received a higher offer in the Second Round (supposedly sixty-four) would have had a Galway offer (also because it's the largest medical school).

Header15

Does anyone know the points for all courses after 3rd round?

Raspberry Fileds

cian casey wrote: »

I should have been clearer, I know the minimum points so far but I'm just curious as to whether they'll release the highest points

I'm not aware that that info is published for any course. The UCD prospectus gives points ranges for its courses, but obviously the next edition won't be published for a while.

randylonghorn

cian casey wrote: »

I should have been clearer, I know the minimum points so far but I'm just curious as to whether they'll release the highest points

I don't think so, not officially anyway, though rumours often circulate from within colleges (sometimes reliable, sometimes not). Normally it's just the cut-offs and the median.

If you think about it, listing the highest points for each course could be very off-putting for future applicants. There will always be outliers (e.g. someone with 625 points doing Arts ... and yes, it happens ) but that gives a skewed impression to applicants of what is actually required to get a place on the course.

cian casey

randylonghorn wrote: »

I don't think so, not officially anyway, though rumours often circulate from within colleges (sometimes reliable, sometimes not). Normally it's just the cut-offs and the median.

If you think about it, listing the highest points for each course could be very off-putting for future applicants. There will always be outliers (e.g. someone with 625 points doing Arts ... and yes, it happens ) but that gives a skewed impression to applicants of what is actually required to get a place on the course.

Galway have some sort of range up from last year as 740-785 although I'm not sure how accurate that is

randylonghorn

Maybe they do it for med, lots of odd things about med! :pac:

Not the normal approach certainly.

Raspberry Fileds

cian casey wrote: »

Galway have some sort of range up from last year as 740-785 although I'm not sure how accurate that is

UCD's range was 747-781. Can you link me the source of Galway's range? It would be surprising if NUIG's top-scorer was seven points ahead of UCD's. Personally, I think the inter-quartile range along with the median and minimum should be published. Galway's med school has ove twice as many undergrads as RCSI's, which skews the minimum and makes RCSI seem more sought-after.

randylonghorn

Raspberry Fileds wrote: »

UCD's range was 747-781. Can you link me the source of Galway's range? It would be surprising if NUIG's top-scorer was seven points ahead of UCD's.

A tiny bit, I suppose, but it's far from impossible. There will be people from Galway / Mayo / Clare who will put Galway first choice for travel / financial / personal preference reasons, and people from Cork / Kerry who will do the same for UCC. Nothing stopping someone like that from being among the top scorers nationally.

Raspberry Fileds

randylonghorn wrote: »

A tiny bit, I suppose, but it's far from impossible. There will be people from Galway / Mayo / Clare who will put Galway first choice for travel / financial / personal preference reasons, and people from Cork / Kerry who will do the same for UCC. Nothing stopping someone like that from being among the top scorers nationally.

I know what you mean. It was more the margin I found surprising, but I suppose the Hpat is responsible for that.

charlie1653

It'd be very interesting to see the lowest leaving cert score someone got this year and still got med! I could have got 530 or lower depending on subsequent offers for instance.

Teachers are shocked when you tell them that you could have got med with 530.

Overall, I think it's going to be a lot higher next year!!

I kind of hate the phrase " The points have gone way down ".

Every time some one says it I feel I have to make sure they're not ignorant about why. But unless your interested in ' why ' then you'll probably be slightly ignorant.

What I'm getting at is there will be loads of more competition for Med because " The points have gone way down "

EoghanIRL

I wonder what the highest points were this year .
I think the highest hpat score was 230. So if they scored 625 then their combined score would be 795. So close to breaking the 800 barrier.

rainbowtrout

charlie1653 wrote: »

It'd be very interesting to see the lowest leaving cert score someone got this year and still got med! I could have got 530 or lower depending on subsequent offers for instance.

Teachers are shocked when you tell them that you could have got med with 530.

Overall, I think it's going to be a lot higher next year!!

I kind of hate the phrase " The points have gone way down ".

Every time some one says it I feel I have to make sure they're not ignorant about why. But unless your interested in ' why ' then you'll probably be slightly ignorant.

What I'm getting at is there will be loads of more competition for Med because " The points have gone way down "

So what if there is loads of competition for medicine. Your comments sound really elitist, like you don't want anyone in there on less than 550 or whatever is generally deemed necessary normally for medicine.

And describing them as ignorant if they don't know the full details? You need to realise that the vast majority of people don't really care. To describe those people as ignorant is ignorance itself.

Incidentally I know a lad who got in with 515 points + HPAT

spurious

I know someone got Medicine with 26 points.

Beca19

spurious wrote: »

I know someone got Medicine with 26 points.

Really, how? or is that sarcasm?

randylonghorn

Way back when spurious was a grasshopper :pac:, there was ye olde pointes system where

HL A = 5
HL B = 4
HL C = 3
HL D = 2

OL A = 2
OL B = 1

and 26 was (for example) AABBBB

In fairness to Charlie, I think she means "uninformed" rather than "ignorant", and she's more worried that the idea that "the points have gone down" will cause a big surge in demand for med because people don't understand why.

comeclosa

EoghanIRL wrote: »

I wonder what the highest points were this year .
I think the highest hpat score was 230. So if they scored 625 then their combined score would be 795. So close to breaking the 800 barrier.

There's at least one if not two people in TCD going into 2nd year who broke the 800! Though that was last year when points were still sky high, this year it's a whole different kettle of fish.

spurious

Beca19 wrote: »

Really, how? or is that sarcasm?

No really, as randylonghorn pointed out.

My point was - they are just numbers. The person involved didn't take Medicine in the end, but opted instead for a course which needed two HL Ds for entry, much to the disgust of the careers person who had strong-armed her into applying for Medicine "because she would get the points".

Anyway, off she went and did the other course, was paid a substantial salary by a major multi-national company all through her last year of college, to make sure she would come to work for them after graduation, got a Masters and Ph.D. quick smart and is Head of her Department in a major UK university now.

Who got the highest points means nothing really.

Header15

Got UCD yesterday on 730. There is someone really looking out for me up there

jjC123

rainbowtrout wrote: »

So what if there is loads of competition for medicine. Your comments sound really elitist, like you don't want anyone in there on less than 550 or whatever is generally deemed necessary normally for medicine.

And describing them as ignorant if they don't know the full details? You need to realise that the vast majority of people don't really care. To describe those people as ignorant is ignorance itself.

Incidentally I know a lad who got in with 515 points + HPAT

I don't think that that's what they meant. Its frustrating to hear someone comment that 'the points have gone way down' when it comes with the implication that people this year had a much easier time getting in than previous years which isn't true.
And describing someone as ignorant because they don't know much on the subject isn't wrong - you're simply stating that they lack knowledge or awareness of something. I , for example, am ignorant of anything to do with engineering. Its not necessarily a negative thing. (I'm not trying to attack you here, I just think you took up that comment wrong)

rainbowtrout

jjC123 wrote: »

I don't think that that's what they meant. Its frustrating to hear someone comment that 'the points have gone way down' when it comes with the implication that people this year had a much easier time getting in than previous years which isn't true.
And describing someone as ignorant because they don't know much on the subject isn't wrong - you're simply stating that they lack knowledge or awareness of something. I , for example, am ignorant of anything to do with engineering. Its not necessarily a negative thing. (I'm not trying to attack you here, I just think you took up that comment wrong)

Why is it frustrating? It seems it's only frustrating to a certain cohort of medicine students, because it implies that they might have got in without a near perfect Leaving Cert, and god forbid anyone would think that of their Leaving Cert results.

Most people don't care about the points for medicine. Only people who are applying to the CAO for medicine care about the points for medicine. In the rest of the world, life goes on as normal.


Given that the HPAT was marked differently it meant that there were students who got in with less than 550 in the Leaving Cert, which hasn't been the case so much for the last few years. That in itself meant that it made medicine more accessible for some and easier to get into.

Ryan95

Header15 wrote: »

Got UCD yesterday on 730. There is someone really looking out for me up there

Congrats! It's fantastic you're going to love it!

Header15

Ryan95 wrote: »

Congrats! It's fantastic you're going to love it!

Thanks. Really looking forward to it!

Mog57

My recheck came back today and I have 20 additional points. This now gives me a total of 730. I know some people got in to UCD on 730. Am I entitled to an offer from UCD or is it random selection? Thanks

rainbowtrout

Mog57 wrote: »

My recheck came back today and I have 20 additional points. This now gives me a total of 730. I know some people got in to UCD on 730. Am I entitled to an offer from UCD or is it random selection? Thanks

Were the people who got into UCD offered those places on random selection?

Mog57

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Were the people who got into UCD offered those places on random selection?[/QUOTE

I'm not sure!

rainbowtrout

Mog57 wrote: »

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Were the people who got into UCD offered those places on random selection?[/QUOTE

I'm not sure!

The CAO website shows the points for Round 2 Medicine in UCD as 731 on random selection.

Mog57

Thanks for info! I'm happy where I am, just wondering if moving is a possibility!

rainbowtrout

Mog57 wrote: »

Thanks for info! I'm happy where I am, just wondering if moving is a possibility!

Any offers made by the CAO will be out tomorrow. Presumably if places have become freed up in UCD Medicine they will be offered to anyone on 731 first and then 730.

Mog57

Thanks

sal18c3

Got an offer on rechecks for next year, skipping premed couldn't be happier 😊