Splitting South eastern hospitals

Icemancometh

mfitzy wrote: »

Has that not already happened? I.e. HSE South HQ is in Cork.

I'd much rather be treated in a big hospital with huge throughput and expertise is what I'm saying. Some people would prefer a smaller hospital closer to home, that's their persoanl choice. It wouldn't be mine. Except for A&E which is critical service.

You can't have one without the other. Having a 24 hour A&E depends on having the services to back it up, ideally with all the services available in a level one centre (although only CUH meets those criteria). But the more services you transfer from a smaller hospital to a bigger hospital, to achieve greater specialisation and throughput, the closer you come to the point where emergency services are unviable. People complain about the closure of the EDs at say Dundalk, Ennis, and Roscommon, but these were unavoidable (FWIW, I agreed with those closures). These hospitals didn't have the services to support EDs.

Overall, it seems that there is no clear policy on this yet, just speculation. That said, Prof Jackson is a sensible guy, so if he's getting exercised about it, that's good enough for me. 500,000 is enough to justify regional services, nevermind adding 250,000 people to both Dublin and Cork services, which are already streched. To my mind though, I could never understand why there are four EDs within such a small area. I'm all for rationalisation and specialisation of services, but WRH seems like the logical location for this.

mydogjack

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

A bit sensitive aren't we? My car mechanic is a professional.He also works for the HSE. That doesn't mean I would trust his opinion on how to run a hospital. That would be ludicrous.And the fact is your Jesuitical use of the word "professional" to describe your relationship with the HSE suggests your spoofing somewhat. Whatever your "profession" it certainly isn't respected enought to overule a HSE audit.

Not one bit sensitive, or spoofing. And my opinion/view is backed up by my profession, and yes, it is for the HSE, and yes I am a professional. As for your opinions, which seem to be formed from reading audits, I suggest you believe people who work in the system, carry out such audits, etc. I wish you and your mechanic well, but I cant remember posting my thesis on how a hospital should be run. I'll leave that to unqualified speculators like your good self. Now I better dash, I have my 'profession' to attend to.

fuzzy dunlop

mydogjack wrote: »

Not one bit sensitive, or spoofing. And my opinion/view is backed up by my profession, and yes, it is for the HSE, and yes I am a professional. As for your opinions, which seem to be formed from reading audits, I suggest you believe people who work in the system, carry out such audits, etc. I wish you and your mechanic well, but I cant remember posting my thesis on how a hospital should be run. I'll leave that to unqualified speculators like your good self. Now I better dash, I have my 'profession' to attend to.

For a "professional" you don't seem to have a lot of confidence in your profession. Four posts on and you still haven't told us what it is. Also your contradicting the same professionals who work in the system and suggesting I believe them at the same time.Which I was doing in the first place. I never said I was qualified to do anything other than read a report. I am like the rest of the country (and you I suspect) in that regard. What I am saying is that any right minded person will believe a HSE report that is newsworthy before a boards.ie poster who can through anonymity claim to be absolutely anything.

mydogjack

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

For a "professional" you don't seem to have a lot of confidence in your profession. Four posts on and you still haven't told us what it is. Also your contradicting the same professionals who work in the system and suggesting I believe them at the same time.Which I was doing in the first place. I never said I was qualified to do anything other than read a report. I am like the rest of the country (and you I suspect) in that regard. What I am saying is that any right minded person will believe a HSE report that is newsworthy before a boards.ie poster who can through anonymity claim to be absolutely anything.

Hey your the one who leeched onto one of my posts, and your suspicions are wrong. The reason many choose anonymity is to protect our jobs and the service users we treat. Now find someone else to antagonise, I've grown bored of your uneducated statements. Go read another report or two and post some more moronic posts.

fuzzy dunlop

mydogjack wrote: »

Hey your the one who leeched onto one of my posts, and your suspicions are wrong. The reason many choose anonymity is to protect our jobs and the service users we treat. Now find someone else to antagonise, I've grown bored of your uneducated statements. Go read another report or two and post some more moronic posts.

Get a grip of yourself.No-one is antagonising you at all. Your the one who so far has provided no evidence apart from insults.All I am asking is to provide something other than opinion or childish insults as to why the HSE report is all lies as you say. I have not yet called you a liar but I would be more than justified in doing so as you claim to be a professional .This is a serious issue that effects Kilkenny as much as Waterford so have the decency to back up what you say with substance and not hiding behind some BS threat to your job. BTW my statements are far from uneducated.Judging by your inability to understand that you cannot make spurious statements without supllying some evidence or establishing some sort of bona fides/credentials regarding your alleged profession says a lot more about your education or lack of it.

mydogjack

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Get a grip of yourself.No-one is antagonising you at all. Your the one who so far has provided no evidence apart from insults.All I am asking is to provide something other than opinion or childish insults as to why the HSE report is all lies as you say. I have not yet called you a liar but I would be more than justified in doing so as you claim to be a professional .This is a serious issue that effects Kilkenny as much as Waterford so have the decency to back up what you say with substance and not hiding behind some BS threat to your job. BTW my statements are far from uneducated.Judging by your inability to understand that you cannot make spurious statements without supllying some evidence or establishing some sort of bona fides/credentials regarding your alleged profession says a lot more about your education or lack of it.

Education and lack of it? Hmm I could retaliate but I'd fear the meaning might be lost on you. Now, as previously requested, please find someone else to pester. Seriously.

fuzzy dunlop

mydogjack wrote: »

Education and lack of it? Hmm I could retaliate but I'd fear the meaning might be lost on you. Now, as previously requested, please find someone else to pester. Seriously.

Look keep behaving like a Walter Mitty if you like. But the fact is you have nothing to offer good bad or indifferent and your posts on the thread from the begining have shown it. Again nobody is pestering you. I am just asking you to back up your claims.If you can't then you can't but that just means what you say should be disregarded. You said I leeched off your posts.You leeched of Max Powers posts to begin with your glib unsupported statements. The thread is discussing a worthwhile issue but you seem to be more about preventing discussion than facilitating it. I wonder why that could be?

mydogjack

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Look keep behaving like a Walter Mitty if you like. But the fact is you have nothing to offer good bad or indifferent and your posts on the thread from the begining have shown it. Again nobody is pestering you. I am just asking you to back up your claims.If you can't then you can't but that just means what you say should be disregarded. You said I leeched off your posts.You leeched of Max Powers posts to begin with your glib unsupported statements. The thread is discussing a worthwhile issue but you seem to be more about preventing discussion than facilitating it. I wonder why that could be?

Hey listen, your bordering on obsession here, with me. You can come to work with me on Monday, if you like, as I suspect you'll have nothing else on anyway, apart from annoying folk on the internet. Get a life buddy. My original statement stands, and I have as much proof as anybody here I would imagine. Again, for the record, as you seem more than a little slow on the uptake. I DO work for the HSE, I HAVE/DO work/ed in Lukes and WRH. I HAVE seen more infections in WRH, than Kilkenny. I promise you this, and my orignal suspicion/hunch for the reason is that in KIlkenny all household/domestic staff are in-house and standards and policies are excellent. WRH has outside/agency cleaning staff who also clean supermarkets, shops etc. In my humble opinion, that is ONE of the reasons that I have seen more infections on ward levels in WRH than in Kilkenny.
If you seriously want proof of this, get freedom of information request on infection control in both hospitals and then you might be happy. Or maybe not.

Captain Havoc

mydogjack and fuzzy dunlop, do not post in this thread again until I've had an opportunity to review your posts i.e. when I say you can post again.

road_high

More than nauseating reading SF grab headlines from this protest down in Waterford today. And also the SWP handing out leaflets urging people not to pay the household charge.

As far as I can see from this thread if any other point of view or even question of same other than absolute support of WRH's link with St. Lukes it is rubbished.
There's little evidence that directly linking St. Lukes with a large university hospital in Dublin would be a such bad thing. Apart from arguments over differnences in distances I have read nothing here that would convince me otherwise. If I had to face cancer care or major surgery I think I would rather travel a bit extra to a larger centre of excellence.

Dozen Wicked Words

mfitzy wrote: »

More than nauseating reading SF grab headlines from this protest down in Waterford today. And also the SWP heanding out leaflets urging people not to pay the household charge.

Whatever the merits of anti household charge, moronic decision by them to try and piggyback off a completely unrelated issue. Does them, or either issue, no favours. People went to defend their hospital not the non payment of the household charge.

road_high

dooferoaks wrote: »

Whatever the merits of anti household charge, moronic decision by them to try and piggyback off a completely unrelated issue. Does them, or either issue, no favours. People went to defend their hospital not the non payment of the household charge.

Yep, I found it disgusting. SF have feeding off it as well. See where the country will go if they ever get in. Clearly that Cullinane guy targeting a seat there. Lots of agendas at work here.

Captain Havoc

mydogjack wrote: »

Ah this is a farce. W.R.H is riddled with bugs, and to be honest I'd rather take my chances in Dublin. W.R.H is our 'regional' but no Cancer, paeds etc. Seriously would not bother me as we have to travel to Dublin anyway for anyting Acutely serious. I smell a rat here.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Like it or not Waterford is your main hospital.It is also closer to all of Kilkenny than any Dublin Hospital. That is before you even take into consideration things like traffic congestion. Serious Trauma Incidents are directed to WRH from anywhere South of Carlow e.g Car accidents drownings etc. Its also easy to say travelling to Dublin isn't an issue if your are under fifty.However it is a different storey entirely for geriatric patients or people with disabilities.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

No I would prefer to have the same treatment available in our region.We have the population to support it.No one is suggesting putting anything in ballygobackwards. This is a straw man arguement.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Turkeys Vote for Christmas after all:rolleyes: No that is not what I said. What I said is there is enough people in the region already to justify most services being retained in the region. That is YOUR region as well.Any rationalisation should therefore be done within that region.What this is is that the population of the region is potentially being used to maintain services in Cork and Dublin. Explain how this is a result for anyone in Kilkenny. If it is just about administration that is fine as lomg as it doesn'r affect services but we don't know.And if it is then prepare to see the back of the HSE offices in KK.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Well you seem to be the expert on the canal walk. I wasn't aware anything at all went on there so I'm sure we won't meet.



No it isn't. But even if it was it has nothing to do with the arguement because for at least 20000 Kilkenny people living adjacent to Waterford WRH is there nearest hosptial. Maybe half the county if you go as far as Mullinavat. The point is WRH is as important to Kilkenny as St Lukes is.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Actually you brought it up.I never mentioned the back of the HSE.I also never said castlecomer people did not matter.Learn to read!.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

No you obviously can't read properly.And you're obviously a pervert. You've turned a thread about a hospital merger into something about your own nocturnal fantasies. I never mentioned the back of the HSE. You were the first to mention it as well as the sexual inuendo. I said you will see the back of the HSE if the merger is about administration.In other words the administration will be moved from Kilkenny. I wasn't talking about a location behind the HSE buildings you idiot.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Well as I am not a mind reader perhaps you can tell me what goes on behind the HSE seeing as you brought this enigmatic place into the conversation.I used a turn of of phrase that is common parlance in the English Language wherever it is spoken.You associated it with some unspecified anti-social activity. And btw I didn't start the thread.So keep your own side of the street clean and tighten up on your reading.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

What complete nonsense.Care to elaborate with an example?

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

It's not an extra half hour.For most of kilkenny it is far more than that especially even without traffic congestion. Also it might be alright for you in full health but for sick and elderly the journey could be excruciating.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Thanks for the post puddie. As WRH is one of the busiest Aand E'in the country if not the busiest it does rather well considering he funding it is allocated. If I am not mistaken WRH,Kilkenny and Wexford have always been among the most efficient in the country along with Mullingar if I remember correctly. What will happen here is each of the South Eastern hospitals will become periphery hospitals in a larger region.Also I think any assumption that a Dublin Hospital will have more expertise is incorrect. Unless it is the Mater or Beaumont I doubt very much it will be an improvement on WRH. There is no fat on the hospitals in the SE region. Any inefficiences that exist in the working practice of the Dublin and Cork hospitals should be addressed and any other hospital for that matter.

mydogjack wrote: »

Lies? I worked there and in Kilkenny too, trust me WRH is riddled with bugs, compared to Kilkenny. I suppose the fact they have outside/contract cleaners, compared to household in kk could be partly to blame. So keep your advice Max.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

This is the nub of it. For at least 25000 Kilkenny people WRH is closer than St. Lukes by far and therfore WRH is "their hospital". This is a conservitave estimate as it only includes the electoral area next to Waterford. When you include the people living in the Southern half of the other electoral areas i.e Callan and Thomastown then almost half the county's population is either closer to WRH or equidistant between St Lukes and WRH. It is time to put grievences aside here and realise that a downgrade of WRH for the disaster it is. Any dividend by a tenuous link between St Lukes and a Dublin Hospital will only benefit about half the county of Kilkenny if it is a benefit at all. Also the idea that Dublin is only an extra 30 minutes away from Kilkenny than Waterford is patently untrue. At any time of day except late at night it takes an hour to get from say somewhere like Naas to Heuston station by car. It sometimes can take this just to get to the M50 such as when a minor accident occurs. I know this because I commuted it for 12 years until last January. By comparison the journey from Carlow to Waterford is 40 minutes by car and Kilkenny City is done comfortably in 25 minutes. Their is no comparison between the two journies.The one to Dublin is far more strenuous before any illness is taken ino consideration.

mydogjack wrote: »

Ahem, for the second time, as you seem to be more than a little slow on the uptake, I've worked/work in both hospitals and have a "professional" view on my comment. "Unqualified speculation"would surely apply to you, not me, and again I will say, WRH has a way higher proportion of infection than any other hospital in the region.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

No offence but your "professiona viewl" sounds a bit suspect. We're basically supposed to believe an anonymous internet poster over the national broadcaster and the HSE which manages all the states hospitals. Sorry but what your saying is frankly ludicrous.

mydogjack wrote: »

Would you rather believe somebody who has grammatical errors such as "viewl"? But on a serious note I am a HSE employee and a professional also. Nothing "ludicrous" Mr. Fuzzy Dunlop!

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

A bit sensitive aren't we? My car mechanic is a professional.He also works for the HSE. That doesn't mean I would trust his opinion on how to run a hospital. That would be ludicrous.And the fact is your Jesuitical use of the word "professional" to describe your relationship with the HSE suggests your spoofing somewhat. Whatever your "profession" it certainly isn't respected enought to overule a HSE audit.

mydogjack wrote: »

Not one bit sensitive, or spoofing. And my opinion/view is backed up by my profession, and yes, it is for the HSE, and yes I am a professional. As for your opinions, which seem to be formed from reading audits, I suggest you believe people who work in the system, carry out such audits, etc. I wish you and your mechanic well, but I cant remember posting my thesis on how a hospital should be run. I'll leave that to unqualified speculators like your good self. Now I better dash, I have my 'profession' to attend to.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

For a "professional" you don't seem to have a lot of confidence in your profession. Four posts on and you still haven't told us what it is. Also your contradicting the same professionals who work in the system and suggesting I believe them at the same time.Which I was doing in the first place. I never said I was qualified to do anything other than read a report. I am like the rest of the country (and you I suspect) in that regard. What I am saying is that any right minded person will believe a HSE report that is newsworthy before a boards.ie poster who can through anonymity claim to be absolutely anything.

mydogjack wrote: »

Hey your the one who leeched onto one of my posts, and your suspicions are wrong. The reason many choose anonymity is to protect our jobs and the service users we treat. Now find someone else to antagonise, I've grown bored of your uneducated statements. Go read another report or two and post some more moronic posts.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Get a grip of yourself.No-one is antagonising you at all. Your the one who so far has provided no evidence apart from insults.All I am asking is to provide something other than opinion or childish insults as to why the HSE report is all lies as you say. I have not yet called you a liar but I would be more than justified in doing so as you claim to be a professional .This is a serious issue that effects Kilkenny as much as Waterford so have the decency to back up what you say with substance and not hiding behind some BS threat to your job. BTW my statements are far from uneducated.Judging by your inability to understand that you cannot make spurious statements without supllying some evidence or establishing some sort of bona fides/credentials regarding your alleged profession says a lot more about your education or lack of it.

mydogjack wrote: »

Education and lack of it? Hmm I could retaliate but I'd fear the meaning might be lost on you. Now, as previously requested, please find someone else to pester. Seriously.

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Look keep behaving like a Walter Mitty if you like. But the fact is you have nothing to offer good bad or indifferent and your posts on the thread from the begining have shown it. Again nobody is pestering you. I am just asking you to back up your claims.If you can't then you can't but that just means what you say should be disregarded. You said I leeched off your posts.You leeched of Max Powers posts to begin with your glib unsupported statements. The thread is discussing a worthwhile issue but you seem to be more about preventing discussion than facilitating it. I wonder why that could be?

You are both acting like children, I switched off after a few posts (I had read them all on mobile). Don't post in this thread again.

Schindlers Pissed

Hello. I decided to sign up so I could post on this topic. I believe that if WRH is downgraded it will be a huge backward step for the region. Even regards the Out Patient Department down there are many specialties. Then you have the Dialysis Unit, the brand new A&E too.

Someone said earlier that if you have a heart attack in Kilkenny you will go the St. James' for Angioplasty. You are both right and wrong. Most elective Angios go to St. James, but any emergency Heart Attack (yes, they are ALL emergencies, but you know what I mean.....) are to inform the Cath Lab in WRH and proceed directly to there, providing it is within it's opening hours, and within 90 mins of confirmation of an MI (Myocardial Infarction).

As regards Ortho jobs, all fractures from Carlow/Kilkenny normally went to St. Lukes for stabilisation, pain relief etc before being transferred to WRH for surgery. These days all OBVIOUS FRACTURES are to go directly to WRH, and it takes in a huge amount of fracture jobs throughout the region.

Someone said earlier that all trauma from south of Carlow is directed to WRH. Wrong. St. Lukes is the receiving hospital for Carlow/Kilkenny. The only time trauma would (possibly) go straight to WRH would be maybe Graiguenamanagh (or in that general area, i.e., the southern end of the county), where common sense would dictate that the journey time, coupled with the fact that there may be bone fractures, then WRH would be the obvious choice.

I presume if it was downgraded we would lose a very good Neo-Natal Unit, and all these babies would have to go to Temple St, Holles St, The Coombe etc.......and these hospitals are at capacity. St. Lukes and it's new A&E/MAU would be at great risk I would think. Don't forget, Carlow has NO A&E Dept.......so that's a whole county without Emergency Care. Will they have to go north to Naas or Tallaght? Will Kilkenny go south to Cork, or north to Dublin?

One of the biggest questions.......who brings all these people? Will they increase the size of the Ambulance Service? They would probably need 3 times the amount of vehicles and Paramedics in my opinion.......and that ain't gonna happen.......

People need to look at the bigger picture, this isn't about Phil Hogan giving money to Kilkenny, or about what people get up to at the back of the HSE offices This has huge ramifications for the whole South East of Ireland, and will put us back years if it goes ahead.

ft9

Schindlers Pissed wrote: »

Hello. I decided to sign up so I could post on this topic. I believe that if WRH is downgraded it will be a huge backward step for the region. Even regards the Out Patient Department down there are many specialties. Then you have the Dialysis Unit, the brand new A&E too.

Someone said earlier that if you have a heart attack in Kilkenny you will go the St. James' for Angioplasty. You are both right and wrong. Most elective Angios go to St. James, but any emergency Heart Attack (yes, they are ALL emergencies, but you know what I mean.....) are to inform the Cath Lab in WRH and proceed directly to there, providing it is within it's opening hours, and within 90 mins of confirmation of an MI (Myocardial Infarction).

As regards Ortho jobs, all fractures from Carlow/Kilkenny normally went to St. Lukes for stabilisation, pain relief etc before being transferred to WRH for surgery. These days all OBVIOUS FRACTURES are to go directly to WRH, and it takes in a huge amount of fracture jobs throughout the region.

Someone said earlier that all trauma from south of Carlow is directed to WRH. Wrong. St. Lukes is the receiving hospital for Carlow/Kilkenny. The only time trauma would (possibly) go straight to WRH would be maybe Graiguenamanagh (or in that general area, i.e., the southern end of the county), where common sense would dictate that the journey time, coupled with the fact that there may be bone fractures, then WRH would be the obvious choice.

I presume if it was downgraded we would lose a very good Neo-Natal Unit, and all these babies would have to go to Temple St, Holles St, The Coombe etc.......and these hospitals are at capacity. St. Lukes and it's new A&E/MAU would be at great risk I would think. Don't forget, Carlow has NO A&E Dept.......so that's a whole county without Emergency Care. Will they have to go north to Naas or Tallaght? Will Kilkenny go south to Cork, or north to Dublin?

One of the biggest questions.......who brings all these people? Will they increase the size of the Ambulance Service? They would probably need 3 times the amount of vehicles and Paramedics in my opinion.......and that ain't gonna happen.......

People need to look at the bigger picture, this isn't about Phil Hogan giving money to Kilkenny, or about what people get up to at the back of the HSE offices This has huge ramifications for the whole South East of Ireland, and will put us back years if it goes ahead.

Schindlers Pissed

Oh really. I often dropped in for a look but I've never posted on boards before. Is that okay?

Hijpo

Just wondering if any protest was being organised in kilkenny to show support for the region like waterford did?

Dunmoreroader

I agree. But it needs to come from Kilkenny People(the citizens, not that awful rag), protesting in the Marble city under a new banner as 'Save Waterford' is hardly going to go down well up there! Though I'm sure the 'Save Waterford' organisers are thinking the same thing and hatching plans.
Step forward concerned cats!

wellboytoo

mfitzy wrote: »

Depends on which Dublin hospital. No-one seems to be able to answer thast one for me?. I can be in Tallaght in an hour. Wrh would be at least 35-40 mins (all going well).

Think its time you changed that car.....

wellboytoo

ft9 wrote: »

Cheep shot.....

Chiparus

mfitzy wrote: »

More than nauseating reading SF grab headlines from this protest down in Waterford today. And also the SWP handing out leaflets urging people not to pay the household charge.

As far as I can see from this thread if any other point of view or even question of same other than absolute support of WRH's link with St. Lukes it is rubbished.
There's little evidence that directly linking St. Lukes with a large university hospital in Dublin would be a such bad thing. Apart from arguments over differnences in distances I have read nothing here that would convince me otherwise. If I had to face cancer care or major surgery I think I would rather travel a bit extra to a larger centre of excellence.

Its all about the money, under UHI money follows the patient, The bigger hospitals in Dublin and Cork are actually very inefficient compared to hospitals like St Lukes or WRH.

So ask a CUH consultant would patients be better going to CUH or WRH guess what the answer will be.

St. Lukes is sleep walking into a situation where the funds that would go to the south east will go to Dublin Hospitals.

Hijpo

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

I agree. But it needs to come from Kilkenny People(the citizens, not that awful rag), protesting in the Marble city under a new banner as 'Save Waterford' is hardly going to go down well up there! Though I'm sure the 'Save Waterford' organisers are thinking the same thing and hatching plans.
Step forward concerned cats!

Absolutley, it would be a protest for the region as was the one in waterford. I was standing in john roberts square while they were passing the large waterford jersey over head and a man came up through the crowd (more than likely from kilkenny) saying "the message is all wrong, its about the region, the people of kilkenny will be lapping this up, did you read the kilkenny people during the week? its the wrong message" he obviously wasnt aware it was the Waterford Gives a Shirt campaign that was using the jersey as a symbol of its own agendas ie: the job losses, merging of councils and the hospital downgrade.

We really cant let this protest fade away until they make a decision then go bananas again when its to late. after such a turn out and media coverage it would be an awful waste not to keep the pressure on with similar protests to drive the message home that we wont go away.

Dunmoreroader

We need a catchy acronym;
SESE - South East says Enough
SESNMC - South East Says No More Cuts
jesus thats ****e...
SEFB - South East Fights Back
SETT - South East Talks Tough
SEHA - South East Hospital Action (sounds like cowboy going yeehaa)
better, but not much.....
SETBACK - South East Takes Bold Action in Carlow Kilkenny
Naa, I'm useless at this, any ideas?

Dunmoreroader

Waterford News & Star;
The campaign is to be called - South Eastern Hospital Action Alliance
SEHAA - I was nearly there!:)

Deise Vu

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Waterford News & Star;
The campaign is to be called - South Eastern Hospital Action Alliance
SEHAA - I was nearly there!:)

Is it too late to suggest: Stop Clown Reilly Eviserating Waterford And Region South East?

Dunmoreroader

Deise Vu wrote: »

Is it too late to suggest: Stop Clown Reilly Eviserating Waterford And Region South East?

Nice one Deise Vu, you need to get down to the next meeting and pitch that into the mix.:)

On a more serious note, I would love to know from posters from KK, how would you vote if you had to choose between:
a) linking St. Luke's to a Dublin hospital and as a knock-on result, lose acute services from the region (i.e. WRH downgrade) or
b) keeping St. Luke's in the Southeast hospitals group safeguarding the regional structures.
Mods can you set up a poll on this for KK posters only? The politicians, doctors & campaigners will be doing lots of lobbying around the S.E. and apparently S. Tipp & Wex. are majority behind WRH but KK split (obvious from reading posts here).
Might be useful.

catbear

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

On a more serious note, I would love to know from posters from KK, how would you vote if you had to choose between:

That all depends on which part of the entity known as Kilkenny county as delineated in medieval times by an English administration. Surely it's more practical to restructure the administration of services along demographic rather than historical lines.

Oh I forgot, that would upset GAA fans, those mad royalists!:rolleyes:

Edit to add: It's a serious point and it constantly frustrates me that these issues are talked about in county contexts which are totally impractical on a demographic/geographic basis. I am not trying to derail the thread but I really think it's pointless discussing this matter referencing boundaries such as counties. I basically would prefer this to be a regional matter as defined by a centre of population density rather than some artificial borders that serves no one and adds nothing to anyones quality of life.

ft9

Deise Vu wrote: »

Is it too late to suggest: Stop Clown Reilly Eviserating Waterford And Region South East?

S.C.R.E.W. A.R.S.E.

That would be apt.

Dunmoreroader

I couldn't agree more with the sentiments but it's our TDs that have the power to influence this and they are always thinking of what their voters want them to do, and the constituencies follow those ancient county lines for the most part. Maybe a Carlow/Kilkenny poll as St Luke's is the main hospital for both counties and the seeds of the SE hospitals group destruction is here. It's like Ohio to the US election.

road_high

Just heard a snippet this morning on KCLR with Sue Nunn Show, Wayne Fennell of Carlow coco was supporting the break away from WRH.
He was very strongly supporting St. Lukes first and foremost as the Carlow/Kilkenny General Hospital. He was emphasising it is Carlow's hospital as much as Kilkenny's and as such he is of the view that Carlow and thus St. Lukes as Carlow's hospital, would be best served by a link with Dublin.