Chelsea v Manchester United 28.10.12 KO 4:00pm (Sky Sports 1)

Blatter

niallo27 wrote: »

Chelsea to score first at 5/6 looks like a decent bet.

As said already, teams after playing away in the CL often start slow (or play poorly for the entire game) in their next match so I wouldn't really be going near that at 5/6.

Rekop dog

Blatter wrote: »

As said already, teams after playing away in the CL often start slow (or play poorly for the entire game) in their next match so I wouldn't really be going near that at 5/6.

You gonna back that up with some stats?

Turtyturd

Blatter wrote: »

As said already, teams after playing away in the CL often start slow (or play poorly for the entire game) in their next match so I wouldn't really be going near that at 5/6.

Form the Chelsea Vs Spurs match thread.

Blatter wrote: »

A 12.45 kick off directly after internationals? This is likely to be a borefest.

I'd be all over that at 5/6.;)

SantryRed

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

No he didn't. Saying Fergie went to that game playing for a draw is laughable.

Liverpool did dominate for the first half, but that has happened in nearly every game for United this season. The other team dominates the first half and gets a goal, then United start playing in the second half or even in injury time.

But saying he went to draw the game is wrong. Did he go for a draw at home to Newcastle? Newcastle dominated most of that game as well

I never said he went for the draw against Liverpool. What I said was he was afraid to play their normal game. United never started playing against Liverpool, they got lucky, you've got to admit that.

Blatter

Rekop dog wrote: »

You gonna back that up with some stats?

I could if I wanted to, but I want to watch the Liverpool match now. Might do later though!

Just off the top of my head, the 6-1 and 8-2 games of last season came off of the back of European away games for United and Arsenal respectively.

Blatter

Turtyturd wrote: »

Form the Chelsea Vs Spurs match thread.



I'd be all over that at 5/6.;)

Ha, just because it wasn't a borefest, it doesn't mean that the fact it was a 12.45 kickoff directly after internationals didn't make it more likely to be one!

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Still, to think United will set out to play for 0-0 draw the way United have been conceding goals is still madness.

SantryRed wrote: »

He did it against Liverpool

SantryRed wrote: »

I never said he went for the draw against Liverpool. What I said was he was afraid to play their normal game. United never started playing against Liverpool, they got lucky, you've got to admit that.

But you did say he was going for the draw.

You even responded to my post above saying so.

SantryRed

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

But you did say he was going for the draw.

You even responded to my post above saying so.

I said he set up for the 0-0/0-1. Meaning he won't open up and wouldn't be too disappointed with the draw. I never said he was playing for it.

Rekop dog

Blatter wrote: »

I could if I wanted to, but I want to watch the Liverpool match now. Might do later though!

Just off the top of my head, the 6-1 and 8-2 games of last season came off of the back of European away games for United and Arsenal respectively.

Ha ok.

It's going to have to be over a large sample of seasons for results to be credible. You'll have to show how a teams win rate after a away Euro game deviates from their usual non after away Euro league games win rate. You'll also have to consider things like how long the turnover of games are, like Chelsea played Tuesday night and this is a Sunday game, wheras some weeks you have teams playing a sat game after a Wednesday Euro game.

I'll await your findings, otherwise your post seems like speculative nonesense.

The_Kew_Tour

SantryRed wrote: »

I don't think seeing them much this season has anything to do with it. Ferguson won't come to Stamford Bridge, 4 points behind, early on in the season, and go for it.

SantryRed wrote: »

I never said he was playing for it.

You even said it yourself. I highlighted it there.

Blatter

Rekop dog wrote: »

Ha ok.

It's going to have to be over a large sample of seasons for results to be credible. You'll have to show how a teams win rate after a away Euro game deviates from their usual non after away Euro league games win rate. You'll also have to consider things like how long the turnover of games are, like Chelsea played Tuesday night and this is a Sunday game, wheras some weeks you have teams playing a sat game after a Wednesday Euro game.

I'll await your findings, otherwise your post seems like speculative nonesense.

Also it will have to include how many changes a team have made, no point including a team that left their 4 key players at home and and made 8 changes.

I'll probably do it for matches between big PL sides over the last few years when one has played away from home in Europe a few days prior, without making anymore than 3 changes for the Prem game.

SantryRed

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You even said it yourself. I highlighted it there.

When does not going for it and playing for the draw mean the same thing?

By going for it, I mean the usual 4-4-2 or attacking 4-3-3. Not playing Giggs.

The_Kew_Tour

SantryRed wrote: »

When does not going for it and playing for the draw mean the same thing?

By going for it, I mean the usual 4-4-2 or attacking 4-3-3. Not playing Giggs.

I agree, but when I said Ferguson wont be playing for 0-0 you disagreed.

Kylo Ren

Oh ffs defense. Another goal conceded first again!?

Evans should of just cleared it.


Now that I have that typed I can enjoy the rest of the game.

SantryRed

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I agree, but when I said Ferguson wont be playing for 0-0 you disagreed.

Well then we'll agree to disagree :pac:

I think Ferguson would happily take a 0-0 draw today if offered to him.

The_Kew_Tour

SantryRed wrote: »

Well then we'll agree to disagree :pac:

I think Ferguson would happily take a 0-0 draw today if offered to him.

I agree totally. He would take 0-0. So would I.

But we cant keep clean sheet at moment so I just would disagree that we will play for a low scoring game. Maybe keep things tight and all.

Fair play though to you for coming back on your points though. Least you gave decent opinion on why you think so, even if I dont agree.

SantryRed

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I agree totally. He would take 0-0. So would I.

But we cant keep clean sheet at moment so I just would disagree that we will play for a low scoring game. Maybe keep things tight and all.

Fair play though to you for coming back on your points though. Least you gave decent opinion on why you think so, even if I dont agree.

I'll be back when he announces Giggs is starting :pac:

Blatter

Wayne Veysey ‏@wayneveysey
Ashley Young starts for #MUFC

#mufc XI: Chelsea: De Gea, Rafael, Rio, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Cleverley, Carrick, Young, Rooney, RvP

Jax Teller

#MUFC XI: v Chelsea:
De Gea,
Rafa, Rio, Evans, Evra,
Nani, Cleverley, Carrick, Young
Rooney,
RVP.

Johner

The Chelsea team is as expected.

Team: Cech (c); Ivan, Cahill, D Luiz, Cole; Ram, Mik; Mata, Oscar, Hazard; Torres. - subs: Turn, Azpili, Bert, Rom, Marin, Moses, Sturr

Jax Teller

Glad no Giggs or Scholes starting

double GG

Subs; Lindegaard, Anderson, Giggs, Hernandez, Nani, Welbeck, Scholes

Giggs on the bench.

Paul Tergat

Very attacking from United. Worry about the midfield

Blatter

Pretty happy with that team tbh!

Ashley Young starting after so long out is slightly confusing but maybe he's looked very sharp in training or something so not overly concerned.

The_Kew_Tour

No cover for defender on bench

Blatter

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Very attacking from United. Worry about the midfield

Cheslea's is arguably more attacking tbh.

I'm not really worried about Carrick/Cleverley matching up to Mikel/Ramires.

Rayne Wooney

Jax Teller wrote: »

Glad no Giggs or Scholes starting

OctavarIan

Goddamn, those midfields! If this is anything less than a 4-4 thriller I'll be extremely disappointed!

Whatsisname

Sky Sports just showed Valencia starting instead of Nani

MagicMarker

Odd to see Young starting, overall happy with that though.

TheDoc

Blatter wrote: »

Pretty happy with that team tbh!

Ashley Young starting after so long out is slightly confusing but maybe he's looked very sharp in training or something so not overly concerned.

Valencia and Young will be doing a defensive job on Hazard and OScar.

Valencia will be all over Hazard all day long.

Rooney and RVP up front to hassle the suspect Chelsea defence

Paul Tergat

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

No cover for defender on bench

Yeah this seems crazy

Prick!

Absolutely delighted Young starts. Been missing a left winger for a while now. Young has always done something to impress me.

MagicMarker

Prick! wrote: »

Absolutely delighted Young starts. Been missing a left winger for a while now. Young has always done something to impress me.

He has a great work rate as well, will be all over the shop.

MagicMarker

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

No cover for defender on bench

Our defensive cover is starting in midfield.

Blatter

Prick! wrote: »

Absolutely delighted Young starts. Been missing a left winger for a while now. Young has always done something to impress me.

Despite not being the most consistent player in terms of his general play, he's always good for a goal or an assist.

Prick!

Blatter wrote: »

Despite not being the most consistent player in terms of his general play, he's always good for a goal or an assist.

Always.

Hopefully Young will be cutting back inside and whipping in some inswingers for Rooney and RvP to attack

KombuchaMshroom

Pretty pleased with that United starting team. Only thing I'm a bit upset about is no Fletcher but I guess its too soon for him.
Delighted we've gone with 2 out and out wingers at least, think that's where we will have most joy today.

Vic Vinegar

Fergie really hates nani now!

Prick!

Where did it all go wrong for Nani? :P

Great Euros as well too. Must be something up with a transfer or something.

Rayne Wooney

Lol

Patsy fyre

Absolutely no defensive cover on the bench for United, hope it doesn't come back to bite...

ArielAtom

Hopefully it's a Chelsea win and everyone sees UTD don't possess a defence.

billyhead

Any websites that I could stream this from

double GG

billyhead wrote: »

Any websites that I could stream this from

yeah there's lots.

Nemanja91

Jonny Evans to score again.

Whatsisname

Delighted Cleverley starts

TheDoc

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Lol

Come if they want, they got stomped by Everton and lucky to come away with a point.

Antics from Suarez, Agger and Sterling just give easy ammunition to dismiss them

Prick!

Hazard and Mata give me the ****s.

Lord TSC

Thank ****, Giggs on the bench. Was sure he was going to start...