Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

NBA Regular Season 2012/13

1272830323352

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,727 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki




    Jordan planning a comeback at age 50?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Interesting take on the Bulls:

    http://www.sbnation.com/2013/2/27/4027946/derrick-rose-injury-chicago-bulls-comeback
    One of the five or six best players in the NBA is out indefinitely, we don't know when he'll be back or who exactly decides, the player's brother is complaining publicly about the direction of the team and we have no idea what comes next. It feels like this should be a bigger deal.

    So instead of getting lost in speculation, let's say this: Regardless of when D-Rose comes back, the way his absence has played out says a lot more about the Bulls than Derrick Rose. If anything, having Rose gone has put the rest of the franchise in proper perspective. Let's start with what Derrick's brother said last week, when Reggie Rose vented to ESPNChicago:

    "What have [the Bulls] pieced together? Have you made any moves? Have you made any trades to get better? You know all roads to the championship lead through Miami. What pieces have you put together for the physical playoffs? Joakim Noah is a great player. Luol Deng is a great player. But you need more than that. You have to put together pieces to your main piece. The players can only do so much. It's up to the organization to make them better."

    He's right, isn't he?

    He faced all kinds of backlash for this, but his criticisms are dead on. If Derrick Rose comes back tomorrow, they still don't have another scorer to help in a seven-game series against the Heat, Pacers or anyone else. Deng and Noah are great-but-limited stars, Boozer is not good enough as a second option, and the bench is thinner this year than ever before. They have a team that's good enough to win all year long and not quite good enough to win at the end.

    This isn't a new problem. The same was true two years ago. Last year, too. There haven't been easy solutions to everything, but the Bulls haven't really tried anything. And that shouldn't be surprising, if you look at Bulls' history.

    Reading Reggie Rose's comments reminded me of a story from this past summer, when the Bulls were the only team in the NBA that couldn't come to terms with their first round pick (Marquis Teague, No. 30), because they refused to pay an extra 20 percent of salary that's customary for just about every other draft pick in the league. Mark Deeks parsed the particulars at Sham Sports this past summer. Teague eventually signed without the extra money, but it was a small and perfect example of everything that makes the Bulls management hard to defend. They were playing hardball with an NBA rookie over about $800,000, money that every team but the Spurs concedes up front to anyone.

    And the Bulls are NOT the small market Spurs. According to Forbes, the Bulls have been the most profitable franchise in the NBA over the past five years (averaging $55 million per year), and a team that Jerry Reinsdorf bought for $16 million is now worth around $800 million.

    Even with all those profits adding up year after year, the Bulls have never actually paid the luxury tax. This year will be the first time in history that happens, but only after the Bulls tried and failed to deal Richard Hamilton at the trade deadline. They're also on track to pay it again next year (with harsher penalties for exceeding the threshold in consecutive years), but God only knows what kind of moves they'll cook up to avoid it.

    For now, we know what the Bulls haven't done:

    They refused to match Omer Asik's contract this summer, giving Houston one of the best young rebounders in the league and losing a valuable weapon off the bench. Or, you know, a trade piece.
    They didn't sign O.J. Mayo, who's been fantastic for the Mavericks all year.
    They haven't used the trade exception they got when they gave away Kyle Korver.
    They declined to pick up C.J. Watson's $3.2 million option, and instead gave Kirk Hinrich an $8 million deal for the next two years.
    They didn't reward Tom Thibodeau with a new contract until this fall, leading to headlines like, "Tom Thibodeau, weirdly, can't get a contract extension."
    They could amnesty Carlos Boozer and his massive deal, but that would only take them a few million under the luxury tax threshold, and then they'd have to spend money to replace him while also paying his salary. Hence, Boozer hasn't been amnestied.
    They haven't made a single move to bring the team closer to a title, even though they have assets that would attract plenty of suitors (Joakim Noah, Luol Deng).
    All of those points might make sense on their own, but the bigger picture is pretty damning when you put 'em all together. The most profitable team in the NBA won't spend money to add weapons in the middle of their superstar's prime. (Unless it's on Kirk Hinrich).

    That brings us back to the Derrick Rose drama.

    The team's been cryptic all year about when he'll actually be back, leaving it "up to him" and when Rose decides he's ready. On the surface this looks enlightened. The problem is, it shifts the focus from the team's decision-makers onto their 24-year-old superstar who loathes attention and is bad with the media in general. If Rose can't come back, it'll be his image that takes a hit, mostly because the Bulls have publicly put the decision in his hands. It's either manipulative or counterproductive or both -- Ric Bucher elaborates here -- which makes it quintessential Bulls.

    If Rose's absence hasn't been a big enough story, neither have the Bulls, themselves, and how the only team in the NBA that can call itself a peer to the Lakers and Knicks quietly operates more like the Clippers or Wizards. It feels like this should be a bigger deal.

    Since the Jordan dynasty ended with just about every major character cursing Chicago management on the way out of town, the Bulls have been to the second round of the playoffs twice in 14 years. As noted before, they've never paid the luxury tax, and they're only doing it this year because they couldn't find anyone who would take Richard Hamilton. They've given away guys like Elton Brand and later Tyson Chandler -- the guy they got for Brand -- and there have been roster makeovers every three or four years.

    Sure, they kept Noah and Deng and signed Boozer in 2010 to help build a contender, but if Forbes' numbers are correct, the Bulls have made roughly $275 million in profits in five years. Should Reggie Rose be grateful the Bulls are at least spending the full salary cap?

    In a perfect world, the Bulls will keep profiting and stay just good enough so that nobody notices everything they're not doing. Kelly Dwyer discussed it at length this past summer, when the Bulls basically conceded the 2013 season. They've been playing these games for a decade.

    The only year they had a real chance at a title was 2011, when Rose was so dominant he made a good team great almost by himself. So here's to hoping he can be that great again, because he'll need to be. The Bulls may have two other All-Stars, sellout crowds, money to burn and a ceiling full of banners, but help is probably not on the way. Help is in Dallas with O.J. Mayo, Houston with Omer Asik or 10 other places the Bulls won't look.

    Instead, in a season the Bulls front office forfeited in July, somehow it's Derrick Rose who's making people impatient. While he's gone, we can't help but look at the Bulls and notice what's obvious. A superstar in Chicago sure has to put up with a lot of bull****.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »


    Jordan planning a comeback at age 50?

    You're out of date mate. That episode of First Take was on over 2 weeks ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    You're out of date mate. That episode of First Take was on over 2 weeks ago
    Oh the irony!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭buyer95


    Kettle calling the pot black never felt more apt


  • Advertisement
  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Almost showtime.

    12 midnight, Pacers V Clippers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Abuse deleted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Almost showtime.

    12 midnight, Pacers V Clippers.

    New Pacers fan here so looking forward to this!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Raf32 wrote: »
    New Pacers fan here so looking forward to this!
    Glad to have you on board. We are small market but we are big time.
    We got G. Hill running the point, George and West on fire. Granger back from injury


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    I got the link if anyone wants to watch


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Glad to have you on board. We are small market but we are big time.
    We got G. Hill running the point, George and West on fire. Granger back from injury

    Thanks mate trying to learn about them all day, cheers for the help.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Gonna miss Roy Hibbert tonight. Big test for Mahinmi

    Roy got into a bit of bother against the Warriors. This is why he's out tonight


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    26 -25. After the 1st. Early signs are good.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Granger is playing like he never left. Great play. Have to cut out the turn overs though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    that last score helped alot


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Beautiful Halftime 3 point Buzzer-beater by David West.

    49 - 47 to LA


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Raf32 wrote: »
    that last score helped alot

    Sure did. Scores like that have a psychological impact on the game. We're going in a halftime with momentum. That score will sting the Clips, They go down the tunnel wondering how did that happen?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Sure did. Scores like that have a psychological impact on the game. We're going in a halftime with momentum. That score will sting the Clips, They go down the tunnel wondering how did that happen?

    Ya definitely could be a momentum turner but need to cut down them turnovers!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Raf32 wrote: »
    Ya definitely could be a momentum turner but need to cut down them turnovers!

    Sure do


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Great Defence Indiana


  • Advertisement
  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    God Damn you Chris Paul

    Nice one Lance;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Great game this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Hibbert being badly missed, Griffin is running riot. Double double already


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Starting to let it slip a little now, Have to sop this run


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    It's still all to play for


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Griffin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Lob city at it again


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    We Pretty much called to before the game. Hibbert would be missed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Too many turnovers and Clippers dominating in the boards. Essentially getting twice the shots. Losing your massive centre to go up against Griffin is never a good combo.


  • Advertisement
  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Chris Paul is too good


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement