English refereeing's darkest day?

Will I Amnt

Xavi6 wrote: »

That would explain all the whinging Pool fans today :pac:

They got boards locked after that one

PhlegmyMoses

This angle shows Clattenburg's view on this. Anybody have any sympathy for him? It looks dodgy from Torres to me. It's only on the front facing angle that it looks like contact was made.



His high boot if anyone is interested. Probably merited a red but they're rarely given. Usually a yellow.

RikkFlair

Darkest day? LOL! Thats December 21st of course....winter solstice and all that jazz....

RandolphEsq

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

This angle shows Clattenburg's view on this. Anybody have any sympathy for him? It looks dodgy from Torres to me. It's only on the front facing angle that it looks like contact was made.



His high boot if anyone is interested. Probably merited a red but they're rarely given. Usually a yellow.

Like I said before; from that angle, the only angle the ref gets to see, and only gets to see it once, it could easily be a foul, but could be a dive. Rather than encourage cheaters to be winners he errs on the side of caution and nominates it as a dive. Not outrageous a decision weighing up all the circumstances!

And that Torres high boot is like Evans on Drogba!

NIMAN

Ref'ing in professional football is nearly an impossible job now.

You are watched by 20 cameras, millions on TV, judged by super slo-mo and have to try to guess what 22 cheats are doing. Your governing bodies refuse to let you use technology to do your job better. You can ref brilliantly for many games on end, yet make one bad call in a split second and you are dragged over the coals by everyone for being useless.

RandolphEsq

NIMAN wrote: »

Ref'ing in professional football is nearly an impossible job now.

You are watched by 20 cameras, millions on TV, judged by super slo-mo and have to try to guess what 22 cheats are doing. Your governing bodies refuse to let you use technology to do your job better. You can ref brilliantly for many games on end, yet make one bad call in a split second and you are dragged over the coals by everyone for being useless.

grenache

OP, that's rubbish.

This was clearly English refereeing's darkest day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAfWKU-W7Gk

K-9

Xavi6 wrote: »

That would explain all the whinging Pool fans today :pac:

How predictable

Seriously, this should benefit the small clubs who whinge about decisions going against them.

The "small"clubs will win out of this, video replays don't care what club you play for.

Maximus Alexander

Just for an outside perspective, I asked my girlfriend (who has no interest in football) if it seemed odd that United's chief executive was also vice-chairman of the FA, because to be honest it seems a bit like a conflict of interest to me.

Her response was "It makes sense to me that they would choose someone who is actually involved in football".

eagle eye

Manchester United always seem to have an advantage when it comes to referee decisions.

Many people(united fans) are going to attack this post but its very likely that they are only watching football for at most ten years. I've been watching it since before Alex Ferguson was manager of United and even back then it seemed that united got many decisions going their way which weren't given in other games.

They are and were the most popular club in England and I suppose its not that surprising as a result of that but it can be quite sickening at times.

Xavi6

eagle eye wrote: »

Manchester United always seem to have an advantage when it comes to referee decisions.

Many people(united fans) are going to attack this post but its very likely that they are only watching football for at most ten years. I've been watching it since before Alex Ferguson was manager of United and even back then it seemed that united got many decisions going their way which weren't given in other games.

They are and were the most popular club in England and I suppose its not that surprising as a result of that but it can be quite sickening at times.

So no further back than 2002/03? I'd say if you did a poll you'd find that to be nonsense.

killwill

Xavi6 wrote: »

So no further back than 2002/03? I'd say if you did a poll you'd find that to be nonsense.

So is the rest of the post.
Guess which team he supports?

niallo27

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Just for an outside perspective, I asked my girlfriend (who has no interest in football) if it seemed odd that United's chief executive was also vice-chairman of the FA, because to be honest it seems a bit like a conflict of interest to me.

Her response was "It makes sense to me that they would choose someone who is actually involved in football".

I'm afraid we are going to have to see a few pics of her before we can take her opinions seriously.

ceegee

Where was all the outrage about UEFAs refs when Hernandez was repeatedly wrongly flagged during the week?

Usual anti-united nonsense

niallo27

ceegee wrote: »

Where was all the outrage about UEFAs refs when Hernandez was repeatedly wrongly flagged during the week?

Usual anti-united nonsense

It has already been discussed here. We are looking for a gmae before that though.

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

It has already been discussed here. We are looking for a gmae before that though.

Spurs. Should of had Peno.

niallo27

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Spurs. Should of had Peno.

I'm taking about dodgy decisions not half arsed claims.

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm taking about dodgy decisions not half arsed claims.

That was a peno. Or are Penos not included?

Cause that would make up about 50% of these conspiracy Liverpool fans claim over past few seasons.

efb

Video ref- simple.

niallo27

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That was a peno. Or are Penos not included?

Cause that would make up about 50% of these conspiracy Liverpool fans claim over past few seasons.

No pens are included, your clutching at straws at the spurs game i think.

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

No pens are included, your clutching at straws at the spurs game i think.

lol

Ah Stop lad just stop. No I am not it was clear Penalty as they come. In fairness Spurs deserved the win. Not whinging about the result.

tbh I might as well be talking to wall I say:pac:

Leftist

Ares wrote: »

A black day today for English football.

Liverpool with a fine goal in the 93rd minute disallowed for a wrong offside when none existed.

Fernando Torres sent off for a non existant dive after being taken out of it by Johnny Evans.

Javier Hernandez winner being allowed despite him being quite a bit offside.

This comes after notable incidents already this season, Jordi Gomez and Jonjo Shelvey's wrong sending offs, Robert Huth stamping on Luis Suarez' chest and countless other incidents.

At what stage does it end?

Its quite clear that the standard of refereeing isn't getting better. What can be done to make it better? Is a second referee needed?

Does David Gill's position within the FA make for a conflict of interest?

Today really should be Rubicon day for English football if the powers at be want to. I don't think they will however.

always the victim.

geeky

NIMAN wrote: »

Ref'ing in professional football is nearly an impossible job now.

You are watched by 20 cameras, millions on TV, judged by super slo-mo and have to try to guess what 22 cheats are doing. Your governing bodies refuse to let you use technology to do your job better. You can ref brilliantly for many games on end, yet make one bad call in a split second, Call one player a "monkey" and another a "Spanish Twat", and you are dragged over the coals by everyone for being useless.

FYP.

niallo27

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

lol

Ah Stop lad just stop. No I am not it was clear Penalty as they come. In fairness Spurs deserved the win. Not whinging about the result.

tbh I might as well be talking to wall I say:pac:

I know how you feel, you lot are so stubborn. It must come from the manager down.

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

I know how you feel, you lot are so stubborn. It must come from the manager down.

You only see what you want to see.

K-9

Leftist wrote: »

always the victim.

Always the "controversial" reply.

leeroybrown

People make mistakes and when they happen some supporters attitudes are awful. I've heard as many people accusing Clattenburg of being biassed or bribed than I've heard saying he just had a bad game when the latter is almost certainly the truth. Between biassed fans and trolls it's almost impossible to have a reasonable discussion of it online.

The only real option is technology. In top level leagues goal line and offside decisions should be automated and major refereeing decisions should have instant video review. Some people will claim that it's ruining the game but they can't have things both ways. There'll still be occasional contentious decisions but the majority of major game changing moments we're talking about from yesterday's games would almost always be officiated correctly.

Will I Amnt

Leftist wrote: »

always the victim.

Melion

Leftist wrote: »

always the victim.

Want to explain that?

The_Kew_Tour

leeroybrown wrote: »

People make mistakes and when they happen some supporters attitudes are awful. I've heard as many people accusing Clattenburg of being biassed or bribed than I've heard saying he just had a bad game when the latter is almost certainly the truth. Between biassed fans and trolls it's almost impossible to have a reasonable discussion of it online.

The only real option is technology. In top level leagues goal line and offside decisions should be automated and major refereeing decisions should have instant video review. Some people will claim that it's ruining the game but they can't have things both ways. There'll still be occasional contentious decisions but the majority of major game changing moments we're talking about from yesterday's games would almost always be officiated correctly.

good post.

doc_17

I think we need the TMO now. I don't believe they even themseves out either. They go in favour of the better teams, which is normal enough.

As a Liverpool fan I am disappointed that the ref got a few things wrong yesterday but an Everton fan would probably point to Suarez's tackle on Distan as being a red.

Something that can be stopped immeadiately though, and which in my opinion would be of enormous benefit to officials, is the constant crowding of match officials to put pressure on them. It does have an effect. It makes them second guess themselves.

When the TMO comes in we'll all be astounded with the ease of its use and amazed that it didn't come in 10 years earlier.

Leftist

Melion wrote: »

Want to explain that?

united and the f.a always conspiring with referees to keep liverpool down.

gill at the top pulling the strings.

Suarez the victim, never at fault. Should have been sent off before the disallowed goal. Just like ronaldo and just like nani, he gives referees cause to distrust him (the huth incident) but no, for liverpool it's a conspiracy. Everything is blamed on referees.

united get all the decisions.

Except for when drogba won the league in 2010, at old trafford, with an offside goal.

doc_17

I think your choice of language could have been better. If you feel you have a valid point then make it without using language that some would consider insulting and deliberately inflammatory

K-9

Leftist wrote: »

Suarez the victim, never at fault.

That's completely in your head, Suarez gets plenty of criticism from pool fans.

gerryo777

At the end of the day, the powers that be don't want soccer to be an honest game.
Hence the reluctance to bring in any type of modern technology.
If it wasn't for all the controversy the game wouldn't get all the attention that it does.
As a Liverpool fan, I can easily admit that Suarez is a diver and that type of sh1te should be kicked out of the game, but for certain other posters come on and make out he's the only one I think they should get their own houses in order before commenting on others.

*Loved Suarez's dive yesterday in front of moyes, scouse humor at it's best.

counterlock

gerryo777 wrote: »

*Loved Suarez's dive yesterday in front of moyes, scouse humor at it's best.

His northern Irish manager said this too. Scouse humour by a Uruguayan, in front of a Scottish manager.

PHB

Frankly, I think both him and Valencia got contact, but went over easily. They both got booked. Despite both being fouls, they both simulated falling over more than they should.

Frankly, I think this is a welcome development, and a strong disincentive for diving. People will lament a United conspiracy, etc. etc. etc, but taking a step back, isn't this exactly the sort of diving that people are desperate to stamp out?

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

That's completely in your head, Suarez gets plenty of criticism from pool fans.

In fairness you will find just as many defending him.

niallo27

cambo2008 wrote: »

In fairness you will find just as many defending him.

Of course we will because he is a brilliant footballer so you can let a few small things slide.

Will I Amnt

niallo27 wrote: »

Of course we will because he is a brilliant footballer so you can let a few small things slide.

There's plenty that still can't get their head around why he's being "victimised" by referees.

Ordinary man

PHB wrote: »

Frankly, I think both him and Valencia got contact, but went over easily. They both got booked. Despite both being fouls, they both simulated falling over more than they should.

Frankly, I think this is a welcome development, and a strong disincentive for diving. People will lament a United conspiracy, etc. etc. etc, but taking a step back, isn't this exactly the sort of diving that people are desperate to stamp out?

This sums it up exactly. Diving and theatrics are a stain on the game and it's great to see refs try to stamp it out. They won't get it right all the time but torres's red yesterday might make some players thing twice about making a meal out of slightest contact.

Melion

cambo2008 wrote: »

In fairness you will find just as many defending him.

Nobody defends his diving

gerryo777

Ordinary man wrote: »

This sums it up exactly. Diving and theatrics are a stain on the game and it's great to see refs try to stamp it out. They won't get it right all the time but torres's red yesterday might make some players thing twice about making a meal out of slightest contact.

Hopefully Ashley Young has a good look at it.

The_Kew_Tour

gerryo777 wrote: »

Hopefully Ashley Young has a good look at it.

Dont forget Danny Welbeck.

Leftist

doc_17 wrote: »

I think your choice of language could have been better. If you feel you have a valid point then make it without using language that some would consider insulting and deliberately inflammatory

I think my choice of language was accurate.
it's got nothing, absolutely nothing to do with anything other than football.

Ordinary man

gerryo777 wrote: »

Hopefully Ashley Young has a good look at it.

All of them regardless of who they play for. And if young starts getting booked i hope the united fans don't start crying about it like some others;)

K-9

cambo2008 wrote: »

In fairness you will find just as many defending him.

In fairness no. In fairness you had a poster or 2 on here saying he should be sold as well, minority opinions that stand out, not many at all as far as I can see.

gerryo777

Ordinary man wrote: »

All of them regardless of who they play for. And if young starts getting booked i hope the united fans don't start crying about it like some others;)

Suarez being booked or sent off for diving is one thing, being denied stonewalled penalties and legitimate goals is more serious altogether.

Will I Amnt

Melion wrote: »

Nobody defends his diving

Nobody?
That's a fairly definitive answer there Melion. So if someone did a search, like yesterday, there would be no posts defending Suarez diving?? Interesting...

Seriously though, there are plenty that can't see why he doesn't get free kicks when he probably should and try to make out he's not a <insert appropriate insult here> when everyone else has good reason to think he is.

The_Kew_Tour

If you want to see the worst Ref display in UK this weekend then look no further.

Go to 1:00 for the start of poor display by officials. Hibs got 3 major decisions in their favour.

Wonder are Hibs bribing Refs? Did Pat Fenlon give Brown envelope to Ref at any Stage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox877MEAPb0