English refereeing's darkest day?

Ordinary man

gerryo777 wrote: »

Suarez being booked or sent off for diving is one thing, being denied stonewalled penalties and legitimate goals is more serious altogether.

How can you not understand that the reason he doesn't get these decisions is because of the reputation he has brought on himself. There hasn't been a game this season where he hasn't been involved in some taking point. You can't blame refs for getting sick of his constant bull****

Melion

cambo2008 wrote: »

Nobody?
That's a fairly definitive answer there Melion. So if someone did a search, like yesterday, there would be no posts defending Suarez diving?? Interesting...

Seriously though, there are plenty that can't see why he doesn't get free kicks when he probably should and try to make out he's not a <insert appropriate insult here> when everyone else has good reason to think he is.

His 1 blatant dive this season against Reading, did anyone defend it? Or did everyone in the match thread criticise him for it?
Then you have a stonewall penalty against Norwich turned down, one against Arsenal turned down, I could go on but you get my point I'm sure.

gerryo777

Ordinary man wrote: »

How can you not understand that the reason he doesn't get these decisions is because of the reputation he has brought on himself. There hasn't been a game this season where he hasn't been involved in some taking point. You can't blame refs for getting sick of his constant bull****

So that makes it ok for ref's to ignore the rules when it comes to a specific player?:rolleyes:

Ordinary man

gerryo777 wrote: »

So that makes it ok for ref's to ignore the rules when it comes to a specific player?:rolleyes:

Refs are human. If they see a player screaming and crumbling at the slightest contact and constantly gesturing and mouthing off to them all game, do you not think they get fed up? He will continue to do all that when he has the fans and the manager defending his actions and crying about him not getting a fair deal

ciaran76

counterlock wrote: »

His northern Irish manager said this too. Scouse humour by a Uruguayan, in front of a Scottish manager.

Moyes also thought it was funny.

K-9

cambo2008 wrote: »

Nobody?
That's a fairly definitive answer there Melion. So if someone did a search, like yesterday, there would be no posts defending Suarez diving?? Interesting...

Seriously though, there are plenty that can't see why he doesn't get free kicks when he probably should and try to make out he's not a <insert appropriate insult here> when everyone else has good reason to think he is.

And if you searched for posts on Thursday and Friday criticising him you'd get far, far more. You don't seem to notice those though.

Will I Amnt

Melion wrote: »

His 1 blatant dive this season against Reading, did anyone defend it? Or did everyone in the match thread criticise him for it?
Then you have a stonewall penalty against Norwich turned down, one against Arsenal turned down, I could go on but you get my point I'm sure.

For a start, my original comment was nothing to do with boards.ie.
This site isn't a representation of the average fan. I hear it all the time, I read about it. Management at Liverpool are forever whinging about it.

Poor Luis doesn't get the decisions. Poor Luis is a victim of a witch hunt.
Maybe if he didn't throw himself around since he came to the league he might get more decisions.
Maybe if he didn't get involved in a race row he might not be the victim of a witch hunt.
Maybe if he didn't give the finger to Fulham fans while waiting to be punished for the racial incident, things like that don't help.
Not shaking hands after telling his manager he would...the list goes on.

He can't help himself. He doesn't have the brain capacity to say "right I better not react here".
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he went out next week and racially abused someone again. That's the way he is and that's why he gets the stick he does.

Melion

You know what I love the most in all of this. Between January 2011 and August 2012, Luis didn't have a single yellow card for diving.

gerryo777

Ordinary man wrote: »

Refs are human. If they see a player screaming and crumbling at the slightest contact and constantly gesturing and mouthing off to them all game, do you not think they get fed up? He will continue to do all that when he has the fans and the manager defending his actions and crying about him not getting a fair deal

Ref's are not there to get 'fed up', ref's are there to enforce the rules of the game.
They are not there to pass personal judgements on any specific player.

Maybe if referees did their job properly and enforced the rules in the same way with every team we mightn't have so much of a problem.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

And if you searched for posts on Thursday and Friday criticising him you'd get far, far more. You don't seem to notice those though.

I'm not talking about diving. Funny how that's the first thing that comes to mind though.

The subject was Suarez being a victim.
Diving is only a part of that.

Ordinary man

gerryo777 wrote: »

Ref's are not there to get 'fed up', ref's are there to enforce the rules of the game.
They are not there to pass personal judgements on any specific player.

Maybe if referees did their job properly and enforced the rules in the same way with every team we mightn't have so much of a problem.

Maybe if players like suarez went out on the pitch to play the game with a bit of dignity and respect and not try to con the ref whenever they could, then the ref's job would be easier and the decisons would be more clear cut

doc_17

Leftist wrote: »

I think my choice of language was accurate.
it's got nothing, absolutely nothing to do with anything other than football.

So, purely coincidental then? I hardly think so. enjoy the bubble.

K-9

cambo2008 wrote: »

I'm not talking about diving. Funny how that's the first thing that comes to mind though.

The subject was Suarez being a victim.
Diving is only a part of that.

Not sure what the subject is at this stage, seems to be a mixture of different things. As for the disallowed goal well that just a poor call, wasn't even a 50/50 that was understandable,

As for Suarez, he doesn't help himself. He's an annoying fecker but I don't get to worried about it, he's just the latest figure of hatred for opposition fans, Torres and Gerrard had it before.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

Not sure what the subject is at this stage, seems to be a mixture of different things. As for the disallowed goal well that just a poor call, wasn't even a 50/50 that was understandable,

As for Suarez, he doesn't help himself. He's an annoying fecker but I don't get to worried about it, he's just the latest figure of hatred for opposition fans, Torres and Gerrard had it before.

Funnily enough, Torres never bothered me at all and I always had a little admiration for Gerrard.

niallo27

cambo2008 wrote: »

For a start, my original comment was nothing to do with boards.ie.
This site isn't a representation of the average fan. I hear it all the time, I read about it. Management at Liverpool are forever whinging about it.

Poor Luis doesn't get the decisions. Poor Luis is a victim of a witch hunt.
Maybe if he didn't throw himself around since he came to the league he might get more decisions.
Maybe if he didn't get involved in a race row he might not be the victim of a witch hunt.
Maybe if he didn't give the finger to Fulham fans while waiting to be punished for the racial incident, things like that don't help.
Not shaking hands after telling his manager he would...the list goes on.

He can't help himself. He doesn't have the brain capacity to say "right I better not react here".
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he went out next week and racially abused someone again. That's the way he is and that's why he gets the stick he does.

So are you saying its acceptable for refs to judge decisons on the past hisory of a player rather than call it is at is.

Leftist

doc_17 wrote: »

So, purely coincidental then? I hardly think so. enjoy the bubble.

what bubble, what is that even supposed to mean?

Always the victim has everything to do with how liverpool as a club and through successive managers constantly bemoan some pathetic conspiracy which prevents them from winning the league.

and nothing else. if some scumbags use it to stretch it out to hillsborough then that's their problem.

again we see the victim mentality with this thread. It's no wonder rafa was held in such esteem, he played the support like a fiddle, such a shame his little facts move completely backfired.

niallo27

Ordinary man wrote: »

This sums it up exactly. Diving and theatrics are a stain on the game and it's great to see refs try to stamp it out. They won't get it right all the time but torres's red yesterday might make some players thing twice about making a meal out of slightest contact.

Yes but that slight contact stopped Torres in full flow, that slight contact meant he was no longer favourite to get the ball and utd gained an advantage for it.

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes but that slight contact stopped Torres in full flow, that slight contact meant he was no longer favourite to get the ball and utd gained an advantage for it.

Oh the slight contact that pushed Valencia to the floor at Anfield or that knocked Berba to the ground when Webb finally gave us a decision at OT in cup couple of seasons ago. That had Liverpool fans in meltdown.

Glad we have cleared things up about Contact.:D

Leftist

when torres goes down under the slightest touch while in 'full flow' it's not a dive.

but when valencia goes down under a challenge from behind it's a dive?

niallo27

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Oh the slight contact that pushed Valencia to the floor at Anfield or that knocked Berba to the ground when Webb finally gave us a decision at OT in cup couple of seasons ago. That had Liverpool fans in meltdown.

Glad we have cleared things up about Contact.:D

Yes they were both given as penaltys, would you have been aggreved if either of those players were sent off for diving in them challenges.

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes they were both given as penaltys, would you have been aggreved if either of those players were sent off for diving in them challenges.

Yes and No.

Valencia Peno was penalty all day. Berba went down easy and if Webb made right call then Berba should been given Yellow and free out.

But by what you say the Berba incident should of been Peno. Nice see Pool fan though say it was Peno now. Fair play. Rather the CT about Webb and United that have no facts to back it up.

Iang87

Ordinary man wrote: »

This sums it up exactly. Diving and theatrics are a stain on the game and it's great to see refs try to stamp it out. They won't get it right all the time but torres's red yesterday might make some players thing twice about making a meal out of slightest contact.

I hope you had the same reaction when valencia went down at anfield leading to the game winning penalty,

Ordinary man wrote: »

How can you not understand that the reason he doesn't get these decisions is because of the reputation he has brought on himself. There hasn't been a game this season where he hasn't been involved in some taking point. You can't blame refs for getting sick of his constant bull****

Oh well you're right of course his reputation is crap but riddle me this why dont the english media report british player dives. Maybe if more attention was paid to young, bale and welbeck then suarez repuatation wouldn't seem so bad. Although he alone brought diving into english football so why should they.

Ordinary man wrote: »

Refs are human. If they see a player screaming and crumbling at the slightest contact and constantly gesturing and mouthing off to them all game, do you not think they get fed up? He will continue to do all that when he has the fans and the manager defending his actions and crying about him not getting a fair deal

Have you ever seen Ryan Giggs on a field? He lives in the refs ear and he constantly gets decisions by sliding on his knees and putting his arm up. I genuinely didnt know he was on the field until sky popped clattenburg on screen and there was giggs. I'd swear he's sent out to mark the ref.

Ordinary man wrote: »

Maybe if players like suarez went out on the pitch to play the game with a bit of dignity and respect and not try to con the ref whenever they could, then the ref's job would be easier and the decisons would be more clear cut

but all yesterdays decisions were clear cut and wrong thats why everyone is complaining.


Finally why did I pick out all your posts and quote them. The term players like suarez pisses me off to no end. It implies he's the only player in england doing anything wrong

niallo27

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Yes and No.

Valencia Peno was penalty all day. Berba went down easy and if Webb made right call then Berba should been given Yellow and free out.

But by what you say the Berba incident should of been Peno. Nice see Pool fan though say it was Peno now. Fair play. Rather the CT about Webb and United that have no facts to back it up.

No what im saying is you can have contact and a player to fall without it being a free kick or pen or a yellow card.

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

No what im saying is you can have contact and a player to fall without it being a free kick or pen or a yellow card.

I agree.

The_Kew_Tour

Iang87 wrote: »

I hope you had the same reaction when valencia went down at anfield leading to the game winning penalty,

Im sorry if you honestly dont think that was Penalty then you need to learn the rules of the game.

Its not even close.

niallo27

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I agree.

What, hang on your a utd supporter your not allowed agree with me over anything.

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

What, hang on your a utd supporter your not allowed agree with me over anything.

In fairness to you you make some good points, but I just need guide you along from time to time;);)

Iang87

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Im sorry if you honestly dont think that was Penalty then you need to learn the rules of the game.

Its not even close.

Theres a slight touch, a similar slight touch at the other end that wasn't given though.

My point was about going down easy not whether it was or not

Will I Amnt

niallo27 wrote: »

So are you saying its acceptable for refs to judge decisons on the past hisory of a player rather than call it is at is.

They're not robots man, it's human nature.
The boy who cried wolf and all that.

Iang87

cambo2008 wrote: »

They're not robots man, it's human nature.
The boy who cried wolf and all that.

You do realise that means every ref should be sacked because they cant be impartial when making a decision

niallo27

cambo2008 wrote: »

They're not robots man, it's human nature.
The boy who cried wolf and all that.

Yes i agree, its human nature, so if you think they could be influenced by things suarez has done do you think they might also be influenced by something a manger might say or do in the past or who he is, or does it only work one way.

Will I Amnt

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes i agree, its human nature, so if you think they could be influenced by things suarez has done do you think they might also be influenced by something a manger might say or do in the past or who he is, or does it only work one way.

Yea, not too the extent of what you're getting at though.
What manager doesn't moan about refereeing decisions?

Will I Amnt

Iang87 wrote: »

You do realise that means every ref should be sacked because they cant be impartial when making a decision

No it doesn't. Silly argument.

Leftist

Iang87 wrote: »

You do realise that means every ref should be sacked because they cant be impartial when making a decision

ronaldo and nani have had it for years, RVN too. And young.

players who dive get a reputation. Might aswel face it, suarez is a disgusting cheat, he makes his own bed. Stop trying to blame some conspiracy.

maybe if rodgers (and dalglish and fat rafa before him) didn't moan about refs before every game they might do themselves a favour.

every week rodgers is out trying to tell the media that maybe the ref will give them a decision. If ferguson or di matteo did that it would be 'influencing' the referees.

niallo27

cambo2008 wrote: »

Yea, not too the extent of what you're getting at though.
What manager doesn't moan about refereeing decisions?

Interesting..........

Will I Amnt

niallo27 wrote: »

Interesting..........

Not really. There's managers in the news every week giving out about referees.
They don't just ignore them all except for Fergie.
There's no conspiracy.

Iang87

Leftist wrote: »

ronaldo and nani have had it for years, RVN too. And young.

players who dive get a reputation. Might aswel face it, suarez is a disgusting cheat, he makes his own bed. Stop trying to blame some conspiracy.

maybe if rodgers (and dalglish and fat rafa before him) didn't moan about refs before every game they might do themselves a favour.

every week rodgers is out trying to tell the media that maybe the ref will give them a decision. If ferguson or di matteo did that it would be 'influencing' the referees.

Ya all those players still get decisions. Suarez doesn't thats why it bothers us so much.

"Fat Rafa" what are you 12.

niallo27

cambo2008 wrote: »

Not really. There's managers in the news every week giving out about referees.
They don't just ignore them all except for Fergie.
There's no conspiracy.

I never mentioned Ferguson at all.

Ordinary man

Iang87 wrote: »

Ya all those players still get decisions. Suarez doesn't thats why it bothers us so much.

"Fat Rafa" what are you 12.

He should have been sent off for his "tackle" yesterday, i'd call that getting a decision.

Iang87

christ he stood on the mans foot. It was a yellow card, not a stamp.

There must be 4 or 5 of those every game

Will I Amnt

niallo27 wrote: »

I never mentioned Ferguson at all.

I'm psychic

Hulk Hands

Laois_Man wrote: »

YES!! As can be seen from my attachment. What the hell was Jagielka supposed to do here? Plus, Suarez shouldn't have still been on the pitch in the first place. Plus the free kick that the ball was delivered from in the first place was dodgy as ****!

That's just another sign of ref incompetency. They got the Coates foul wrong and the offside wrong in that sequence of play. Justice done in the end but another example of poor officiating

Drumpot

Iang87 wrote: »

christ he stood on the mans foot. It was a yellow card, not a stamp.

There must be 4 or 5 of those every game

Theres a differance between mistakingly standing on a players foot to what Suarez did . . It was blatantly obvious that he was intending to get the back of the leg of the player. Unless of course Alan Hansen is part of the ridiculous conspiracy supposedly against the player.

Will I Amnt

Iang87 wrote: »

christ he stood on the mans foot. It was a yellow card, not a stamp.

There must be 4 or 5 of those every game

Some pundits say he should have walked for it, some say it was accidental.
I'm unsure myself. How can you be so definitive?

Doesn't have to be a stamp to be deliberate.

Leftist

Iang87 wrote: »

Ya all those players still get decisions. Suarez doesn't thats why it bothers us so much.

oh is that right? those players get all the decisions? do you watch united? you obviously don't.

They get some and then when referees cop on to their act, they don't.

it happens everywhere, for everyone.

ironic you are suggesting I am immature when you are claiming there is a conspiracy to stop liverpool

niallo27

Hulk Hands wrote: »

That's just another sign of ref incompetency. They got the Coates foul wrong and the offside wrong in that sequence of play. Justice done in the end but another example of poor officiating

What coates is not a foul, Torres did the exact same thing with a header in the first half and no one mentioned it.

Iang87

Leftist wrote: »

oh is that right? those players get all the decisions? do you watch united? you obviously don't.

They get some and then when referees cop on to their act, they don't.

it happens everywhere, for everyone.

ironic you are suggesting I am immature when you are claiming there is a conspiracy to stop liverpool

no Stop there. I didnt say there was a conspiracy. ok compare two incidents this year and then stop commenting.

Suarez v norwich, welbeck v wigan

Iang87

cambo2008 wrote: »

Some pundits say he should have walked for it, some say it was accidental.
I'm unsure myself. How can you be so definitive?

Doesn't have to be a stamp to be deliberate.

to be honest no1 thought nothing of it at the time either it was just a foul. He did stand on his foot but to call that a red is ridiculous.

He didnt jump in, there was no excessive force and there didnt look to be intent to hurt him. He stood on his foot

Melion

cambo2008 wrote: »

Some pundits say he should have walked for it, some say it was accidental.
I'm unsure myself. How can you be so definitive?

Doesn't have to be a stamp to be deliberate.

How about you don't let pundits influence your decision?

Drumpot

Iang87 wrote: »

to be honest no1 thought nothing of it at the time either it was just a foul. He did stand on his foot but to call that a red is ridiculous.

He didnt jump in, there was no excessive force and there didnt look to be intent to hurt him. He stood on his foot

Seriously ? You thought it was a mistaken standing on his foot ? Thats like saying cantona slipped into the stands and accidentaly Kung fu kicked a fan at selhurst park in 1995.