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Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]
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...and Adam Driver.cork guitar player wrote: »Did not cop he was Llewyn Davis, until an hour ago. Mad.
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Haaaa, lol, nfw, I knew I knew that face, ****, lolz
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saw it tonight, must say i loved it to bits, the nostalgia really got to me at times (im only 26 but my dad loves star wars so i was raised on the originals), this movie is just perfect in my opinion, my god all ive been doing is thinking about it since i left the cinema :pac: quite a sad movie as well
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Complete wet fish for me. About as intimidating as the redser next door.
The inevitable comparisons with Cushing's Tarkin paint his character and performance in a very poor light, but to each their own.
Have to agree, I usually like Gleeson but he was like an Allo Allo Nazi at times, especially that big speech scene.
I got more of an Admiral Motti vibe from him than Tarkin, mostly down to his squabbling with Kylo, but he generally came across as a young leader out of his depth.
I think the First Order needed an older actor in a high rank, considering how young Kylo is also. I know Snoke is probably pretty ancient but someone more hands on than a CGI hologram.0 -
Saw it last night, loved it, will go see it again.
Agree with Seanachai above, thought Gleeson was average enough, tried a bit too hard to appear evil.
A few things annoyed me:Whatever about the bit where she reads his mind, Kylo Ren mentions training Rey in the use of the force while their sabers are locked and she's hanging over the edge of a bit of a fall. She then mouths 'the Force', closes her eyes for a second and then proceeds to whoop him. Her and Finn's proficiency with a saber have been explained and the fact Ren was injured etc, but I still think he should have whupped them with the Force. He stopped and held a laser earlier on!When Han died and Rey, Chewie et al come back to Leia, Leia heads straight for Rey and hugs her. Why? Surely she was absolutely heartbroken (I know I was) and should have run to Chewie, his best mate, who would have shared her pain? There was no mourning of Solo apart from a bit of Chewie going psycho - I thought that was strange.The blowing up of the First Order base from the inside - that's the third time we've seen something like that now (ANH, ROTJ and TPM).
Lastly:I think the reveal of who Kylo Ren is could have been saved until the moment Han roars his given name, instead of Snoke referring to him as 'your father, Han Solo'. Could have just been referred to as 'your father' - it was hardly going to be Finn or Chewie, was it?! Rey is definitely Luke's daughter, in my opinion.
Anyway, small holes for me. Enjoyed it immensely overall, a very positive start to the new series, and I'm utterly relieved that it wasn't sh1te like the prequels!
Also, and I don't think this is a spoiler, but the Skelligs looked absolutely class, great choice for that scene and prefaced well by a reference to what it is earlier in the film. Class
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Frankie5Angels wrote: »Saw it last night, loved it, will go see it again.
Agree with Seanachai above, thought Gleeson was average enough, tried a bit too hard to appear evil.
A few things annoyed me:Whatever about the bit where she reads his mind, Kylo Ren mentions training Rey in the use of the force while their sabers are locked and she's hanging over the edge of a bit of a fall. She then mouths 'the Force', closes her eyes for a second and then proceeds to whoop him. Her and Finn's proficiency with a saber have been explained and the fact Ren was injured etc, but I still think he should have whupped them with the Force. He stopped and held a laser earlier on!When Han died and Rey, Chewie et al come back to Leia, Leia heads straight for Rey and hugs her. Why? Surely she was absolutely heartbroken (I know I was) and should have run to Chewie, his best mate, who would have shared her pain? There was no mourning of Solo apart from a bit of Chewie going psycho - I thought that was strange.The blowing up of the First Order base from the inside - that's the third time we've seen something like that now (ANH, ROTJ and TPM).
Lastly:I think the reveal of who Kylo Ren is could have been saved until the moment Han roars his given name, instead of Snoke referring to him as 'your father, Han Solo'. Could have just been referred to as 'your father' - it was hardly going to be Finn or Chewie, was it?! Rey is definitely Luke's daughter, in my opinion.
Anyway, small holes for me. Enjoyed it immensely overall, a very positive start to the new series, and I'm utterly relieved that it wasn't sh1te like the prequels!
Also, and I don't think this is a spoiler, but the Skelligs looked absolutely class, great choice for that scene and prefaced well by a reference to what it is earlier in the film. Class
in responce to your first spoilered pieceI think that kylo probably only used his lightsaber to kill people and not go into combat with them would mean that his very very rusty with the lightsaber combat0 -
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While it's far better than the utter abortion that the prequels were, I left the cinema feeling a mild sense of elation mixed with a sense of being oddly disappointed and deflated, perhaps because of 'that critical scene' which left my inner child curled in a ball, utterly traumatized
For me anyway The Force Awakens suffered all the problems I have with Abrahams as a director, nothing about it convinced me that he's capable of delivering a competent third act and there was a fierce stench of 'Star Trek: Into Darkness', about the film inthe way that it leaned heavily on call backs to the previous movies to provide unearned weight and emotional heft to critical scenes. The level of deus ex machina was ridiculous and there were at least two too many convenient coincidences that were used to push the plot along from one noisy action scene to another that felt extremely lazy. Just about the worst thing a writer can do is leave its audience wondering 'why is this happening?' only to come to the conclusion, 'because it has to for the next thing to happen'. The plotting was mechanical and the works were laid bare for all to see in such scenes.
This brings me to the next big problem I have with TFA, with the exception of Finn and Kylo Renn there are no characters in the film.
There are sketches of characters who's motivation is, like the plot, mechanical, but they have no texture at all.
The bad guys and 'hero pilot dude' have so little screen time as to make no real impact other then what we are told about them. Why are big bad Snoke, General Nazi or Captian Phasma here? Except perhaps to expand a toy line.
The biggest problem though is Rey, she moves about the universe like an impenetrable holo-pawn on Han's space chess board, now some will argue that her character basis is one of restrained mystery, but bollix to that. I honestly can't remember the main character actually having a single converstion with anybody, there's a bit of exposition and banter on the run, but not a single conversation and I find it hard to invest in a character that has a lot to do but nothing to say.
Finally, for all the much vaunted and aplauded decision to 'return to practical effects' the deployment of two 'major' characters through CGI, particularly Snoke left me underwhelmed by characters that should hold your attention.
I'm still looking forward to the next one, but The Force Awakens felt too much like an inept prologue that promised better things to come. And yes, the final scene gave me chills!0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Aq4a7g_wdU
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