Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]

silverharp

Wibbs wrote: »

It is a reboot, hell it's damn near a remake. What would I have liked? I dunno. Imagination. Something novel within the Star Wars universe. Yes, even a different story line. Not a cynical albeit polished near complete mining, spectacle by numbers of an old story made new for the current market.

I must say I dont buy into this rebooting nonsense, rebooting means undoing the cannon as far as the term is used in common parlance, Star Trek was a reboot, this movie isnt, its a back to basics presumably off the back of the sins or 2000's movies. every franchise is going to have its own formulas, drift too far away and people will drift away from it.

eviltimeban

homerun_homer wrote: »

The DVDs containing the special and old versions of the film were only out for a limited time and the original versions were non anamorphic, which made watching it on a nice, big widescreen TV poxy.

I'd love to see the originals in high def DVD but also, a version halfway between them and the Special editions. By that I mean enhancing what is already there, not adding in stupid things and extra bits. I do like some of the upgraded effects of those editions like the Millenium Falcon and the X-Wings going to attack the Death Star. Lucas can keep the added flying robots, CG animals, the added tongue in the Sarlac pit, the song in Jabba's palace, Anakin's ghost... the list goes on.

The "many many more Stormtroopers around the corner" bit in ANH... Boba Fett mugging to the camera in the same movie...

Penn

*shudders*

eviltimeban

By the way, I wonder why they named it "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" and not "Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens". That's been the naming convention of all the previous SW movies.

Mr Freeze

Penn wrote: »

*shudders*

Like he isn't even looking at Luke like Shaw was.

He looks like he is looking in the mirror admiring himself.

Penn

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Like he isn't even looking at Luke like Shaw was.

He looks like he is looking in the mirror admiring himself.

He looks like he just killed a bunch of Jedi younglings.

Why would he decide to make his Force Ghost look like he was at what surely must have been the worst period of his life? What the hell was Lucas thinking? And what, Luke is supposed to just guess that that's his father's ghost?

Some of the changes Lucas made were pointless. This was just idiotic though.

wally79

Penn wrote: »

He looks like he just killed a bunch of Jedi younglings.

Why would he decide to make his Force Ghost look like he was at what surely must have been the worst period of his life? What the hell was Lucas thinking? And what, Luke is supposed to just guess that that's his father's ghost?

Some of the changes Lucas made were pointless. This was just idiotic though.

And if Anakin can present a younger version of himself why wouldn't Ben. Lets get Ewan McGregor in there

eviltimeban

Penn wrote: »

He looks like he just killed a bunch of Jedi younglings.

Why would he decide to make his Force Ghost look like he was at what surely must have been the worst period of his life? What the hell was Lucas thinking? And what, Luke is supposed to just guess that that's his father's ghost?

Some of the changes Lucas made were pointless. This was just idiotic though.

He explained it, he said that that was the point he ceased being Anakin and became Darth Vader, so when he renounced the dark side, he reverts back to Anakin. And that's what "Anakin" last looked like.

I agree, it's mental.

homerun_homer

eviltimeban wrote: »

He explained it, he said that that was the point he ceased being Anakin and became Darth Vader, so when he renounced the dark side, he reverts back to Anakin. And that's what "Anakin" last looked like.

I agree, it's mental.

Anakin was never that good a person anyway. He was always a prat, at least in Lucas' botched attempt at telling a backstory. From the snippets of info you get on Anakin/Ben's history and talk of clone wars in ANH you get a better idea of how things were in your head than the prequels presented.

loyatemu

watched the original 3 films with one of the kids over Xmas (before going to see TFA) and couldn't believe how bad the CGI was in them. Frustratingly I have the last VHS release of the non-enhanced versions sitting on a shelf, but no VHS player. Kid asked me "when are we going to watch the other films?" - I mumbled something non-committal :pac:

Am I right in saying the Lucas tinkered with them in late-80s as well, to tidy up some of the more low-budget effects?

Mr Freeze

loyatemu wrote: »

Am I right in saying the Lucas tinkered with them in late-80s as well, to tidy up some of the more low-budget effects?

Here is a good list of the changes.

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html

Nervous Wreck

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Like he isn't even looking at Luke like Shaw was.

He looks like he is looking in the mirror admiring himself.

Hayden Christensen said later that he didn't know what he was being filmed for when it was shot. Worst do-over ever...

eviltimeban

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Hayden Christensen said later that he didn't know what he was being filmed for when it was shot.

That could also apply to all his other scenes in the series.

Tony EH

Liamo08 wrote: »

It's bizarre that people keep saying this when pretty early on in ANH he's blocking laser blasts blindfolded and then later on he blows up the Death Star using just the force to guide him.

He gets buggered by the floating ball at first, until Ben informs him that it can "obey your commands" and that his "eyesight can deceive".

He's being taught how to control things.

Also, he's used to bullseying wamp rats in his T-16 back home. So him getting a bullseye on a target that's roughly the same size is no real leap of logic.

Either way, there's still no comparison to Luke and Rey. Not by a long shot.

Tony EH

Penn wrote: »

And when he's trapped by the yeti-thing on Hoth, he uses the Force to make his lightsaber come to him despite a) Obi-Wan never showing him how to do it, b) Yoda not training him to move things using the Force until afterwards, and c) never seeing anyone using the Force to move things (therefore not knowing you could move things using the Force).

We have no idea what Luke has been training in since the end of 'Star Wars' and the beginning of 'The Empire Strikes Back'. That amount of time is a period of years.

It's not beyond reality (or at least the reality of the films) that Luke has been honing his use of the Force in between.

Tony EH

Penn wrote: »

What about the first Star Wars, where Darth Vader chokes the guy on the Death Star for not believing in the Force?

This is why the prequels are sheer dirt and a blemish on the series as a whole and should never have been made.

General Motti clearly states that the Force is an "ancient religion" and mocks Vader for his "sorcerers ways". He thinks the Force is a load of old cobblers, despite the fact that the Jedi were the general interlocutors of power only 20 years before. That's in his lifetime and in the power structure that immediately preceded the Empire he's a part of!

It's simply stupid. There's no other word for it.

Tony EH

silverharp wrote: »

I must say I dont buy into this rebooting nonsense, rebooting means undoing the cannon as far as the term is used in common parlance, Star Trek was a reboot, this movie isnt, its a back to basics presumably off the back of the sins or 2000's movies. every franchise is going to have its own formulas, drift too far away and people will drift away from it.

It's what's known as a "soft reboot". It doesn't completely eject every single bit of canon (although it eliminates 90% of the so called Expanded Universe), but at the same time it's intended to kickstart a new series of its own, with much of its own lore.

As for Abrams 'Star Trek', although I am not a fan of the series (my interest begins and ends with the 60's TV show), I know a lot of Trek fans who absolutely despise those films, especially the second one.

david75

quad_red wrote: »

I don't know has this been asked before but do Disney now hold the rights to all the Star Wars films?

Like, could we see official Despecialised versions released? (ie. Han shoots first etc.)

Ihave a dvd boxset of all three original films, and each one has two dvds..one of the original cut of the film and the other of the updated(molested) version..
No idea what year theyre from, but went looking to buy them in town today and couldnt find them anywhere!

then read Lucasfilm pulled all releases of the original cutes...does anyone know if thats true and why?

KingBrian2

Tony EH wrote: »

It's what's known as a "soft reboot". It doesn't completely eject every single bit of canon (although it eliminates 90% of the so called Expanded Universe), but at the same time it's intended to kickstart a new series of its own, with much of its own lore.

As for Abrams 'Star Trek', although I am not a fan of the series (my interest begins and ends with the 60's TV show), I know a lot of Trek fans who absolutely despise those films, especially the second one.

Don't wish to take this forum off topic but just in relation to Abrams other work Star Trek actually Into Darkness was better than the first because the first one was a reboot just without telling the fans. The sequel was on the other hand straight forward non-canon.

As for this movie the one detail that is missing in all this is Disney chose to actually state their is a canonical Star Wars. Now I have preferences when it comes to the Star Wars movies. This one however was not ignorant of the style or substance of the originals. This movie takes place 30 years after ROTJ so I live by the belief that the past is a different country or in the case of Star Wars the past is a different universe. The prequels on the other hand were just poor additions to the Star Wars universe.

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Tony EH

david75 wrote: »

Ihave a dvd boxset of all three original films, and each one has two dvds..one of the original cut of the film and the other of the updated(molested) version..
No idea what year theyre from, but went looking to buy them in town today and couldnt find them anywhere!

then read Lucasfilm pulled all releases of the original cutes...does anyone know if thats true and why?

That boxset was released around 2005 or 6 I think. The unaltered versions of the films were taken from the Laser disc masters from the 90's.

Unfortunately, they low res and non anamorphic, but they are the only completely legal way to see the original films at the moment. But you won't find the, for sale on the high street. You'll have to check eBay and the prices are silly.

There are the fan edits floating around by Harmy. While these are "legal", it's unknown how Lucas views them. But seeing as Lucasfilm doesn't actually mind fan edits or fan fiction in general, it's possible that they don't care too much about Harmy's despecialized Star Wars fans edits. It's a legal grey area for sure and without Lucasfilm's explicit position being stated, I see no problem in getting them and they truly are a spectacular effort, plus they are the only way I can really enjoy the films these days, until the mouse gives me the Blu rays.

As for the OT being pulled, it was Lucas himself that stated that the "special editions" were the only versions he wanted on the market and that they were to completely replace the ones that everybody prefers. Why, is his own business and he's never been completely clear about the reason.

enfant terrible

Tony EH wrote: »

That boxset was released around 2005 or 6 I think. The unaltered versions of the films were taken from the Laser disc masters from the 90's.

Unfortunately, they low res and non anamorphic, but they are the only completely legal way to see the original films at the moment. But you won't find the, for sale on the high street. You'll have to check eBay and the prices are silly.

There are the fan edits floating around by Harmy. While these are "legal", it's unknown how Lucas views them. But seeing as Lucasfilm doesn't actually mind fan edits or fan fiction in general, it's possible that they don't care too much about Harmy's despecialized Star Wars fans edits. It's a legal grey area for sure and without Lucasfilm's explicit position being stated, I see no problem in getting them and they truly are a spectacular effort, plus they are the only way I can really enjoy the films these days, until the mouse gives me the Blu rays.

As for the OT being pulled, it was Lucas himself that stated that the "special editions" were the only versions he wanted on the market and that they were to completely replace the ones that everybody prefers. Why, is his own business and he's never been completely clear about the reason.

What's the highest quality available for the unaltered versions so?

Is it the low res non anamorphic ones?

Tony EH

That's it I'm afraid.

They're direct copies of the Laser disc. They're ok. Certainly watchable anyway. But they won't look great on a TV over 40 inches.

Ridley

eviltimeban wrote: »

By the way, I wonder why they named it "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" and not "Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens". That's been the naming convention of all the previous SW movies.

It's only the prequels that had the episode numbers in the posters and such.

Wibbs wrote: »

*actually that bit jarred for me as well. How could a population simply forget one of the biggest things in their recent history? If there were a bunch of people with superpowers that have been battling it out for centuries, you'd hardly forget about all that in forty years.

I just put stuff like that down to the effectiveness of the Empire suppressing talk about the Jedi and mixed messages coming out of the Clone Wars.

loyatemu

Tony EH wrote:

General Motti clearly states that the Force is an "ancient religion" and mocks Vader for his "sorcerers ways". He thinks the Force is a load of old cobblers, despite the fact that the Jedi were the general interlocutors of power only 20 years before. That's in his lifetime and in the power structure that immediately preceded the Empire he's a part of!

See also Yoda being a kickass ninja in the prequels, and being a clapped out old codger in ep 5. Like 20 years would make such a difference in a 900+ year lifespan.

What if Finn is actually the Jedi awakening and that it what Ren felt in the village and is what his master was referring to, when they spoke.

Bear with me here.
Rey is not untrained, in fact she is Luke's last surviving student and he Jedi mind wiped her to keep her safe. When she touched the Light-sabre it started to break down the mind wipe and it's her memories that we are seeing as she was there with Luke.

Now to Finn, he shows much of the traits which we saw in young Luke and Vader. Proficient with mechanics and schematics, a great shot with weaponry which he has never encountered. About as good as Luke was when he first fought with a lightsabre honestly (Ren may have been injured but he is still a trained Sith, well semi trained, and should have killed him within seconds)
Finally when Finn stated that he had no weapon, Maz (who is well in tune with the Force) looked at him like he was stupid and pointed out that he had the Sabre. You may say that she assumed that he would get it to Rey but it would have been more likely that he would be killed immediately and the sabre fall into enemy hands. That was close to happening but he was able to defend himself, with a weapon that he never used, against a staff designed to beat sabres

Nervous Wreck

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What if Finn is actually the Jedi awakening and that it what Ren felt in the village and is what his master was referring to, when they spoke.

Bear with me here.
Rey is not untrained, in fact she is Luke's last surviving student and he Jedi mind wiped her to keep her safe. When she touched the Light-sabre it started to break down the mind wipe and its her memories that we are seeing as she was there with Luke.

Now to Finn, he shows much of the traits which we saw in young Luke and Vader. Proficient with mechanics and schematics, a great shot with weaponry which he has never encountered. About as good as Luke was when he first fought with a lightsabre honestly (Ren may have been injured but he is still a trained Sith, well semi trained, and should have killed him within seconds)
Finally when Finn stated that he had no weapon, Maz (who is well in tune with the Force) looked at him like he was stupid and pointed out that he had the Sabre. You may say that she assumed that he would get it to Rey but it would have been more likely that he would be killed immediately and the sabre fall into enemy hands. That was close to happening but he was able to defend himself, with a weapon that he never used, against a staff designed to beat sabres

Dude, a woman is the lead; get over it.

Nervous Wreck

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Dude, a woman is the lead; get over it.

What the hell is your problem "dude"?
Luke was the lead in the original yet there was room for another Jedi. Given how this is like a mirror of that in a lot of ways, why do you think that I am saying that Rey is not the lead??

I am saying that it explains Rey's massive control of her powers and that she will return to be Luke's apprentice AND still be lead.

Mickeroo

I thought it's implied that Finn is a jedi in the making too for the reasons you outline there, it's not definitely the case but I hope it is as I really liked the character and also like the idea of a storm trooper becoming a jedi.

And when Kylo Ren mentions an awakening I had assumed he meant both Finn and Rey and maybe even other people scattered around the galaxy, as in the force itself has awoken as a whole and they're on the cusp of a full resurgence of the jedi/sith.

Mickeroo

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Dude, a woman is the lead; get over it.

Whoah, hell of an overreaction there? Finn's character was just as much of a driving force in the film imo as Rey and I have no issues with female characters taking centre stage whatsoever.