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Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]
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Agent Coulson wrote: »The Nerdist website speculating Disney are picking Reynor over Abrams first pick Jesse Plemons because he is better looking for the posters and merchandising :eek: Of course that's if they were up for the same role.
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http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-wars-4-1201125355/
Downton Abbey thesp Ed Speleers, Attack the Block star John Boyega, Jesse Plemons and theater actors Matthew James Thomas, and Ray Fisher are among the men J.J. Abrams is eyeing for the lead role
Jesse Plemons could be good, well I am only familiar with him
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http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-wars-4-1201125355/
Jesse Plemons could be good, well I am only familiar with him
A theory:
If they're thinking of going with the black actor, does this mean the lead character won't in fact be a Skywalker or Solo, but Mark Hamill (Obi Wan style) mentor will find this unrelated young man (akaA New Hope) and whisk him off on adventures ala A New Hope, where he does indeed run into the son of Luke Skywalker (let's say Jesse Plemons), but he's a minor character, and they both train at the Jedi Academy on Yavin IV.
I have a feeling that Kasdan and Abrams rewrite is moving the Skywalkers and their saga off centre stage for this trilogy finally. That's a brave move.
I still want to know what was in that Ardnt script.
Jesse Plemons would be so good, and down to earth in this, people need to see him in FNL.0 -
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Truly stunning and the best scene in the series, so filling.
Great cinema.
"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter".
This was always the heart of the whole Trilogy and why Empire is the best - I find it funny when film critics refer to Empire as being the best due to its 'Darker' nature, when these scenes are the best you will see in the picture and they are pretty much the most comforting, warm parent / child style talks you will find in cinema. The beating heart. It was wonderful. Idealistic. Transcending ideas of religion - belief. It inspired belief. For a hokey Saturday morning themed serial, they were gorgeous moments.
Below is a interview from Gary Kurtz who was the producer for A New Hope and Empire, It's 12 years old but he's incredibly frank over ALL ASPECTS of Star Wars OT and Episode I. Even as early as Empire, Lucas was hell bent on his "vision" as. I think it's the fairest dethroning of Lucas I've ever seen.
Kurtz's Return of the Jedi would have been a very different film and even darker and more fraught with danger than Empire had he had his way.
His comments on filmakers and how many don't have any original life experience and consequently their films don't have much to say or "realness", to them as opposed to those before the 1960's and 1970's. e.g people who lived through the World Wars.
The best media interview I've ever read on film, it's looong and detailed.
The majority of the SW related is on page 4.
I also found out there was time when IGN did great interviews.
Kurtz and others were real secret behind the success of the first twos film and seemed to have hauled Lucas up, when he decided to get lazy.
http://ie.ign.com/articles/2002/11/11/an-interview-with-gary-kurtz
For bonus LOL, look at everybody's eyes in this behind the scenes video, the horror in Rick Mac Callum's eyes and the cameraman. They're thinking it's "This doesn't sound all that smart, but he's Lucas, what reason do I have to say I'm right, it'll all come together in the end".
I love it.
They even picked the worst child actor.
I hear the benny hill music in the background.
Even Spielberg can't tell him his friend. "George, that sounds like ****e"
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^ must read that later, there's a great bit on the making of Episode 1 dvd where Lucas screens the movie for his inner circle, and they're all basically horrified. The only voice of reason is Ben Burtt who complains that the climax is all over the place tonally (which it is) and it jumps from one event to the other too quickly not giving the audience enough time to react to anything (which it does). And the best Lucas can come up with is "it's designed that way and too late to change it now" so Burtt just shuts up.
I genuinely think taking the franchise away from Lucas alone is the best thing to happen it, Rick McCallum is a spineless yes man to him and he's surrounded himself with people who just go along with his vision and don't call him out on stuff they know won't work. He's adamant that the franchise is aimed at kids, which the originals were too but there was something you could take from the story no matter what age you were.
I watched the making of episode I on youtube you mentioned.
This could almost be its own movie. The exploration of a man, trapped within the throes of his own Ego, making something almost nobody will like. And nobody's willing to tell him he's wrong
Ep VII was a film that I always wanted to see made and never thought it would be, thinking it was more of a pipe dream than anything else since I was a kid. To see what would have happened next
I'll be honest not having Luke, Han, and Leia was like having a Bond without Bond himself. I'm glad it'll finally be the "future" about these war heroes and their children. I was never particularly interested in that sterile, Anakin, lightsaber dancing prequel stuff.
Intially the series was intended as an allegory for Vietcong (Rebels) vs the Empire (USA), with the audience taking the side of the "enemy". That's far more interesting than anything force related, jedi in the series.
Hardly completely childlike is it?
ROTJ has the most perfect complete ending though to a cinematic saga.
I'm sort of sad they have to disturb because of that.
I actually prefer this to the original ending with that terrible yub, nub ****e, even the Hayden part is pretty cool,the celebrations across other planets, even if it doesn't make all that much sense. It's the only change that actually improves the OT.
There's much more a feel of 'the war is finally over, we are finally free' and it makes me feel really happy. It's a brilliant ending and incredibly warm/cheerful/mournful and nostalgic all within seconds of each other. Simple but beautiful.
My brother says when he thinks of SW as a whole, he always thinks of this end scene and so do I. It's probably my favourite movie moment ever in a way.
I hate the term "legit feels, teary eyes", but i'll use it here. :pac:0 -
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I always feel genuine, honest sympathy for the hundreds who worked behind-the-scenes on Episode 1, because there must have been a point, some horrible, soul-destroying moment, when they released their dream come true was a waking nightmare and they were all working on what amounted to cinematic diarrhoea.
It must have been a particular hurt for the FX artists, people for whom the pioneering FX work from the original trilogy likely inspired them to follow this career path. After their initial elation at the prospect of working on a new Star Wars film would have come the disappointment of what it would actually involve. We scoff now, but let's face it, pre May 1999 many of us would have positively stoked at the prospect of a new Star Wars trilogy.
It's funny by the mid 90's, if Lucas had simply done nothing more for the rest of his life and outsourced to everybody else you could genuinely call him cinematic genius for how he changed the industry to the way it is (for better or worse). He didn't need to do anything. The man had come out two of the most hailed trilogies in history (SW and Indy).
A pity he had to publicly humiliate himself and feel the need to carry a self inflicted cross, for the next two. Maybe McCallum and the rest, likely convinced themselves that it was blip and it would motivate the spark "genius" that Lucas had in his younger days.
Apparently he had considered letting Kasdan and Frank Darabount and others to write and direct the next two. He may have thought well "well only I know the story, therefore if I screw it up, it's only right I unscrew it in the next two". Some body should have said " You don't have to do this George by yourself". Such as the madness in most geniuses!
I find it him an incredibly intriguing man and life story, and It'd be sad to seem him die. The connection theses movies have to the collective consciousness is fascinating and unlike any other media franchise I've ever seen.
The truth is though that without Empire Strikes Back and Kurtz (and the protection it was afforded) and other writers, editor Marcia Lucas and producers, a Jar Jar Binks or Ewok level event would have happened far earlier in the series.
~The series would have become a blip in itself.
Episode VII should focus on it's new era theme, and only that. I want to see something new from Star Wars not just a rehash of old ****, which is one of the major flaws with the prequel trilogy at heart. None of that "poetry" I want to see Abrams make something new out of it. This doesn't mean there can't be throwbacks or anything like that, I just don't want the same arcs of themes that the previous two trilogies have.
Give us a Star Wars that perhaps deconstructs concepts like Jedi and Sith on an intellectual level (though this doesn't mean it has to soley target adults).
Fisher looking suprisingly well.
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