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Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]
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Based on early statements from Lucasfilm, this set of films would have taken place from approximately 40 years after the events depicted in Return of the Jedi. The series would have been Episodes VII, VIII, and IX.
The sequel trilogy was to feature Luke Skywalker as a Jedi Master in his sixties, passing on the torch to the next generation of Jedi, the dismantlement of the last remnants of the Galactic Empire and the rebuilding of the Galactic Republic. It would also have concerned the re-establishment of the Jedi Order, as foreshadowed by Yoda's line in Return of the Jedi, "Pass on what you have learned." According to a 1983 Time magazine article, its main theme would have been "the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong".
In 1983, Lucas was reported to have only a vague notion of what will happen in the three films of a sequel trilogy. He is quoted as saying "If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. The sequel is about Jedi Knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned."
In the sequel Luke would be a sixty-year-old Jedi knight. Han Solo and Leia would be together…The sequel focuses mainly on Luke, and Lucas says Mark Hamill will have first crack at the part if he is old enough.
Looks pretty much in line with what we'll get.
The bolded parts almost feel like old school Star Trek in a sense, more philosphical. I hope we hear more about the Grey Side of the Force, which I always thought was what Luke ended on as wise, mature man at the end of the Return of the Jedi. A mixture of both. Like a samurai in civilian clothing. The robes were Tatoinne dress, not supposed to be for the whole Jedi Order.
Both Light and Dark side were too extreme on either end, really hope they stay away from BAD BAD man vs GOOD GOOD man dogmatic ****e that plagued the prequels. Didn't he Luke use force choke on some guards in ROTJ?
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thegreengoblin wrote: »No surprise to hear that the Expanded Universe has essentially been ditched. I just hope we get some concrete news about the films very soon.
I have mixed feelings on the issue. On the one hand, I've invested a lot of time and money in the EU over the last 20 years or so. However, the fact we're getting new films makes it all worthwhile for me.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=117530
I never read it only the wiki, but the whole Yuzang-Vong is exactly something approaching the kind of threat I'd be hoping for In Ep VII-IX.
Maybe something a David Fincher, Joseph Kosiniki or Nolan would have done could do.
Although with Abrams at the register, I'd imagine it's going to be nothing but call backs and nostalgia. Disney knows lightsabers print money
He also sets up the tone,art direction for the forseeable future of the franchise, so there's a lot riding on this guy.
Anyway the EU still exists
as opposed to this:
and pray not for this:
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roboshatner wrote: »Because there honeslty is a lot of films out there that the first film are terrible....and then miracly the sequels are epic and all is forgiven...example captain america......
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Dark Knight is also an example.
But in my personal opinion Batman Begins is a lot better then the other two by far.
I am simply saying Abrams will prob mess it up.
Either mess it up or make it epic.
either way the sequel is crap or the first one is crap.
Its all a ratings game between studios
Star trek one remake was good surprising and sequel sucked.
The brothers are back for the third america movie so hopefully it was be good.0 -
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So, getting back to talking about the prequels - or at least the tattle surrounding them given we're still some time away from official promos and the like. Mark Hamill's in London at the moment, and going by a snap of him has lost a fair bit of weight already, pointing towards the notion of his cameo necessitating some shedding of excess baggage
I don't want to get excited about these films damnit, but my inner 10 year keeps making noises in the back of my head. I wonder how Disney are going to play this, because Episode VII could end up being the worst kept secret-shoot in some time...0 -
So, getting back to talking about the prequels - or at least the tattle surrounding them given we're still some time away from official promos and the like. Mark Hamill's in London at the moment, and going by a snap of him has lost a fair bit of weight already, pointing towards the notion of his cameo necessitating some shedding of excess baggage
It's not a cameo. He's playing the lead.0 -
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What I'm fascinated by is how the film is going to look. When we actually watch it.
Star Wars OT and PT had nice stable, if unremarkable directing. The story was good/captivating enough with all the mytholgical aspects that wowed audiences around the world. Lucas.Kershner and co knew their concepts more than almost any filmmaker, even if writing was only average at times.
Is it going to have the manic feel of the Abrams Star Trek movies and most other movies these days? Is he seriously going to take the risk of lens flaring.
Abrams is a damn good storyteller, its his recent superficial tendencies that let his films down. He works best under limitations (LOST pilot) (ZERO lens flare) and I thought MI3
In fact if he directed this like the LOST pilot, that would be an amazing look for the movie. I watched the pilot again recently and thought this "is why they hired the man".
Lost actually resembles Star Wars in a lot of ways due to the iconic look of the Characters and the friendships between them.
I wonder did Abrams rewrite Ardnt screenplay thinking "Damn it, I want to make my 1980's childhood Star Wars movie with the Big 3 in large parts!, not the kiddies"
Here's Hamill in London this week with the guy who played the voice of Darth Maul.
Looking good,YEARS younger:
Ford talking to Ford chatting to the pilots of London's Air Ambulance in Grosvenor Square
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Adamantium wrote: »What I'm fascinated by is how the film is going to look. When we actually watch it.
Star Wars OT and PT had nice stable, if unremarkable directing. The story was good/captivating enough with all the mytholgical aspects that wowed audiences around the world. Lucas.Kershner and co knew their concepts more than almost any filmmaker, even if writing was only average at times.
Is it going to have the manic feel of the Abrams Star Trek movies and most other movies these days? Is he seriously going to take the risk of lens flaring.
Abrams is a damn good storyteller, its his recent superficial tendencies that let his films down. He works best under limitations (LOST pilot) (ZERO lens flare) and I thought MI3
In fact if he directed this like the LOST pilot, that would be an amazing look for the movie. I watched the pilot again recently and thought this "is why they hired the man".
Lost actually resembles Star Wars in a lot of ways due to the iconic look of the Characters and the friendships between them.
I wonder did Abrams rewrite Ardnt screenplay thinking "Damn it, I want to make my 1980's childhood Star Wars movie with the Big 3 in large parts!, not the kiddies"
Here's Hamill in London this week with the guy who played the voice of Darth Maul.
Looking good,YEARS younger:
Ford talking to Ford chatting to the pilots of London's Air Ambulance in Grosvenor Square
I saw that picture of Mark Hamill on Peter Serafinowicz's Twitter feed this morning. The quote underneath was "I met up with Mark Hamill in London. I wonder why he's here". Well that's that. Luke is in Episode VII!
And you're right about Hamill's appearance. He looks notably thinner than last year and with the hair parted to one side and an Obi Wan-esque type beard, he looks great.
Carrie Fisher also took to Twitter to say that her dog, Gary, is also in London. Bringing a dog into the UK from the states is difficult what with laws on rabies etc, so I presume she's on board too.0 -
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Not sure why Abrams gets such a hard time of it really. Lens flair was a stylistic choice for his take on the Star Trek universe – really don't think it ruined those films at all and I doubt it'll carry over to Star Wars.
Have people seen Super 8? Sort of his 'take' on a Goonies / E.T. type of film. Very good, I thought. And MI:3 was good. And Star Trek's were good for what they were.
I dare say I'm looking forward to Star Wars with Abrams at the helm.
And, @Adamantium, nothing I remember from his Star Trek films was quite as 'manic' as most of the space battles in Star Wars ep.2 and 3. That stuff just stopped making sense with so much "stuff" exploding and wizzing about the screen. I'd suspect Abrams will actually bring it back home a bit. More of an (albeit updated) Original Trilogy feel than a Prequel feel.
AND OMG FISHER, FORD AND HAMILL ARE IN LONDON!! **squeee**.
Good points! Super 8 was very good alright.
Is Jesse Plemons out of this now? He'd make a great lead.
And I forgot John Williams will be involved, you can see the passion in his eyes!
Here's recent photos:
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