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Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]
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karaokeman wrote: »No, George Lucas was a good director back in the 70s. He was credited as the director for A New Hope, and the fact the first cut was bad doesn't mean anything, obviously all good directors do it over and over until they get it right. It was back then he believed a story was more important than special effects, that viewpoint seemingly changed in the 90s.
Return of the Jedi was also directed by someone other than Lucas.
No I think his ideas of making storytelling changed and he thought his writing improved, and he opted to make the fall of the republic a shakespearean tragedy and he thought it was an even stronger story than the originals. And it could have been imagine, a 1984 style dictatorship for a dark trilogy where an Empire subjugates its citizens as they leave the central planets to the outer galaxy and shows what the Rebels in the originals were fighting to escape, it have made the whole saga stronger and consequently have improved those films. Show us the stories we need to see, but never knew we wanted
Make what we see saw in the originals even more inspiring, by the struggles in the prequels
I honestly thought he had so much faith in his story, that the visuals would be a compliment to the story and he could only truly show the splendour of the Republic by splashing the cash, instead of filling the hole where the non existent story should be. The story sure made sense in his head, but to everybody else it wasn't there.
It was a story that his skills as writer, weren't able to match the ideas in his head. He also made the cardinal sin of them being drab, boring and lifeless
Vader should have been a secondary character in such a trilogy
I would have much rather a trilogy based on the Rebel Alliance in the "dark years" with characters we know such as Obi Wan and Anakin being background characters. The Empire would have been in full force by the start of Ep 2. Start the trilogy after the clone wars have ended
Ep1: Rise of the Empire
Ep2: The Dying Light
Ep3: The Dark Years
If the original trilogy was a metaphor for Allies Vs Nazi Germany, the prequel trilogy could have be the rise of socialism, curtailing freedom of religion, book burnings, and the night of the long knives. Keep it simple, and they can still have the good vs bad dichotomy without the whole Jedi Vs Sith malarky.
Padme, Anakin and Obi Wan could be the trio and they the reverse of Han, Luke and Leia progession, watch everything crumble from the beginning of Ep 1. Have it about them trying to escape the clutches of the Empire at first or Obi Wan hiding in their attic Anne Frank style
(I'm serious)because he refused to go along with what the Empire wants and they're unsure if they should rat him out to the authorities.
They themselves are half thinking of fleeing, despite the fact they've signed up to the draconian laws of this new Empire in order .
Have him **** up and scars Anakin in a battle, perhaps he misconstrues that Luke and Leia are Obi-Wan children to be for some delicious irony
"No Anakin, I'm not the father, YOU ARE!!"
Obi Wan gets the **** out of dodge to the Rebels to fight for the war effort to make up for ruining their lives
Have him join the Rebels at their secret location (Yavin IV), but tries and fails in vain to train Jedi for their side as he is one of only a few surviving people of the order but has no support from anybody and the ordinary folk/underclass and Rebel authorities believe it to be a bit of a joke and a hokey meditative religion at most. They give up on him eventually. The Jedi Order isn't co-opted by them, because they can't train soldiers quick enough it, it isn't a useful tool for war. Kenobi argues that the zen religion was never intended as an emergency tool of war for mass producing warriors in a short space of time The public do not understand the force, except as a good will saying.
It's the reason they're using blasters and not lightsabers in the OT.
They're struggling and losing like these images
http://imgur.com/a/rNPff?gallery
We see all the history but from a different angle, why is the universe the way it is, we see a backstory to tangental characters that make the entire saga feel larger and richer, no small world syndrome.
Not needed by the alliance and having no purpose in life:
Have Obi Wan returning to Corsucant in the last movie years later to rescue Padme who's under house arrest (dungeon, Rapunzel's tower), who managed to sent an encrypted message saying to get the babies/children out alive so they can have a normal life, before Vader does something stupid, as she never sees him as he's off for months at a time hunting the Empires enemies. She only contacted him as she knows nobody else to turn to. He returns reluctantly and sees her aged and withered. Have Vader coincidentally arriving back in a rage "You have some gaul coming back here after the last time you were here" Another battle, the last.
He takes Leia to Alderann
He goes to the Tatoinne desert and watches out for Luke like the father he never had, in fact he becomes a father figure of sorts to him, irony he never would have wanted this situation a few years ago. He has a reason to go on. He has tired and battered. Have Obi Wan be a tragic figure who finds a reason to live again.
If George wanted it to be some sort of dark Othello like opera, I'd have been all for it, this is what should have been aiming for. They make all the wrong decisions, but the actions are not rooted in destiny(contrived writing), but in sort of Kafaesque scenario's,so we still sympathise
It's a crying shame McGregor and co was saddles with awful scripts he had, he's an fine actor and very likeable.
Have one trilogy, be light and the other, dark.
You see tonnes of different ideas, that I just thought of now and it all remains resolutely pointed on the tragedy of the characters, it doesn't have to be epic,it's got feel real and grounded in the same universe as the originals. People are just surviving. It may be dark, but it's a series of ideas of that is rooted in character motivation and a unrelenting force bearing down on all the characters. We'd like and understand them, WE'D RELATE
David Fincher would direct. I'd love for BSG style remake of the prequels in a sense. We don't need social commentary but the films could have "grown up" with the fanbase
Look at this:
http://imgur.com/a/rNPff?gallery
http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/25xn3q/gritty_star_wars_art/
Had to get that off my chest, those were always my very broad ideas for the prequels. I often thought I'd had write some poor fan fiction! 0 -
Adamantium wrote: »
David Fincher would direct. I'd love for BSG style remake of the prequels in a sense. We don't need social commentary but the films could have "grown up" with the fanbase
Look at this:
http://imgur.com/a/rNPff?gallery
http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/25xn3q/gritty_star_wars_art/
Had to get that off my chest, those were always my very broad ideas for the prequels. I often thought I'd had write some poor fan fiction!
A BSG-style trilogy would have been sensational.
And as for that concept artwork by Richard Lim....it's off the scale in its brilliance.0 -
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Zubeneschamali wrote: »In my head, "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" is the real prequel.
I'd love for this fighting style to be in the sequels, a combination of the OT and PT, samurai like. I can see a practice fight like this, it would make a great evolution of what Luke Skywalker has to go on to teach students, very little, so he makes up a new style:
When I saw Pacific Rim, I thought this would make a great Jedi/kendo and Aikido fight in the new movies, it's got weight (as did all the fights in the film both CGI and actors which is a rarity) and it feel like they're swinging to hit each other.
Jedi Academy:
Harrison Ford more animated than I've seen him in a along time, delighted that he is working , with the new additions this is one seriously impressive cast, for the first time ever good writing and directing might meet seriously impressive actors in a Star Wars movie.
It'll be as good as Empire, when we really look/get beyond the nostalgia.
What we here on paper and past experience is much better than the OT. (I'm taking it as a given that it is a good story they have laid out)
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thegreengoblin wrote: »More casting news! Lupita Nyong and Gwendoline Christie are in. Hopefully we're not too far away from an announcement about the story itself.
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/lupita-nyong-o-gwendoline-christie-cast-in-star-wars-episode-vii
Brienne of Tarth (Gwendoline Christie)..... man they ugly her up real good for Game of Thrones.
Reminds me (striking similarities) of Katee Sackhoff in early BSG, they really made her plain as cardboard.
She'd make an amazingly striking/imposing Imperial Officer if they're around in the timeframe. She's 6ft 3. 2nd in command to Max Von Sydow?0 -
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Would have thought this GOT actress (Michelle Fairley) would be a brilliant wife for Luke Skywalker in the sequel trilogy, if they ever will adapt that element from the EU; it would be nice to actually have a Mara that LOOKS around Luke's age for a change. She has the attitude and look
Though i'll imagine he'll be without wife.She can treat Luke's bastard son bad too.
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It popped up as a rumour a few months back, but TMZ got a hold of set-photos that confirm a full-scale replica of the Millennium Falcon was / is being built in Pinewood Studios. I'd rather not link to TMZ itself, it'd make me feel dirty haha, but it certainly looks like the adherence to a more 'physical' production is being taken to extremes here
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SoapMcTavish wrote: »Any sign of Billy Dee Williams making an appearance ?
Nothing has been mentioned but Ewan McGregors uncle turned it down.
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Part 2 of 5 parts. All there on YouTube.
Stan Lee, J.J Abrams, Mark Hamill, Kevin Smith, Jason Lee.
This is an old video from the first year Youtube was created.
That is just some weird coincidence that all of the hosted are now affiliated to Disney. But J.J. Abrams and Mark Hamill being together is somehow crazy! Especially with Mark Hamill saying that Star Wars doesn't belong to him anymore.
Seriously brilliant find, found on IMDB boards.0 -
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