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Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]
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Pawwed Rig wrote: »maybe I am just old but when did Star Wars start being called 'A New Hope'?
When I was a kid it was always just Star Wars
It still just Star Wars for some of us...
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I'm a lifelong Star Wars fan but I'm not really surprised an adult seeing them for the first time wasn't bowled over, I don't think I'd be as invested in them now if I only watched them for the first time, the nostalgia factor makes a big difference imo.
I saw 1-3 first, and then the originals after. I'd seen them as a small child but never really understood them, was just some noises and lights on screen to keep me happy
But after seeing Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith as a teen, I was entranced by the concept of the Jedi and Sith and thought the lightsabre duels where incredible. When I then went to watch the Originals, I was extremely disappointed with how the lightsabre battles happened, and how and what the story was about.
I thought, with so much reference to "the prophecy" in 1-3, that it would form a big part of 4-6.
Does seem to be a theme that people who saw the originals during their first screening, seemed much more protective and nostalgic over them.
MY nephew who is pretty opinionated, who loves Star Wars, has all his influences from the video games and the prequel trilogy. I'd say he would cause seizures if he came into post here with his thoughts on the originals 0 -
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I particularly loved some of the initial reaction to the Disney takeover, with the outrage that Disney might cheapen the Star Wars brand with inevitable toy lines and merchandise, as if such a thing had never been a problem with the franchise
I know right, like Star Wars didn't already CREATE movie merchandising in the late 70's to now. And the quality (thematically at least) of the films still holds up no matter how overexposed they are/were.
If the franchise hadn't being buried long at this point, it'll never be. Now that there's a revival, we won't have the same material recycled over and over, and when you think about it for a series that changed blockbuster film making, there have only been 6 films since nearly 40 years ago. In modern terms that's low.0 -
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He made it all up as he went along and got some bits brilliantly right and others horrifically wrong, particularly in the prequels where he didn't allow a final script polish from better writers no-one would stand up to him on his awful dialogue in the way that the likes of Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford did in the original movies.
George gets a great knowing laugh from Harrison Ford in the crowd at 4:42 when he was presented a lifetime achievement award. He knows what's up. This speech says so much about the man in general. So humble.
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Oh, I'd agree, as a film-maker he always needed a proper scriptwriter to add decent dialogue to his vision. I think in the absence of one though, the actors should have challenged him on some of the dialogue they were lumbered with. Easier said than done if you're a 19 year old virtually unknown (and arguably to be fair, even if you're a seasoned pro filming against green screens for the first time).Sad Professor wrote: »In fairness, Lucas already knew his dialogue was terrible which is why he asked Huyck and Katz to re-write it, which they did, significantly. Bar some of Hamill’s stuff, it’s actually really good for the most part, as you would expect from the writers of American Graffiti. The wit-to-cheese ratio is higher than most modern blockbusters.
I’d argue that the script and directing issues with the prequels were less due to people not standing up to Lucas and more to do with him having burned all his bridges with the Hollywood unions in the ‘80s. Lucas actually asked Kasdan and Darabont to write the script for the TPM and repeatedly stated he was open to other people directing Episodes II and III. Darabont even entered into negotiations, but balked when he realised it would have to be a non-WGA job. The same happened with Kasdan and any other writers/directors Lucas approached. This is also likely the real reason why Lynch, Cronenberg and Spielberg turned down Jedi. Nobody goes against the guilds unless they want to end up in court and agentless.
Unions... they ruin everything eventually!
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As for the prequels? I still love that scene where the doors open and Darth Maul releases both sabers. Classic.
Fixed it there, but also I agree with you. The "duel of the fates" wasn't it? Ironically TFM delivered more quality Star Wars-y moments than either of the follow ups. Some great landscapes too, and Naboo looked amazing. I didn't find Jake Lloyd as annoying as most people do, and as for Jar Jar... well:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHvOSZi3t14
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