Pro12: Cardiff Blues vs Munster, Fri 2 Nov 7:05pm; TG4/BBC2W

irishbucsfan

Hahaha Blues are brutal

armchaircoach

It begins with a trailing arm, but he turns and drags the leg out with both arms.

Ref went to give a yellow, but the tj was not 100% sure which player it was.

Rebelkell

Great but poor defense

budhabob

Michael Bent

Good man Casey.

Lapin

Munster United out of the fire in the dying minutes - again.

Scioch

chippers wrote: »

I'll watch it again. I thought it looked like there was intent and potentially could have been dangerous.

It was. Swept his legs while in the air. Definite yellow.

Blues unable to stick it out for the win.

Foxtrol

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I didn't think it was a yellow at all. Clear penalty, nothing more. Just a trailing arm which he released and the player landed on his feet.

I dont think it was that bad but Madigan got carded against the Scarlets when he didnt take his eyes off the ball while O'Dea had more than one grab at a players leg while in the air. It seems to be something refs are clamping down on so he was lucky.

Also, once again the Cardiff defense is appalling.

chippers

Anybody know what some of the munster players have under their jersey on the top of their back? Some sort of padding?

budhabob

Michael Bent

chippers wrote: »

Anybody know what some of the munster players have under their jersey on the top of their back? Some sort of padding?

Gps tracker I believe.

Scioch

chippers wrote: »

Anybody know what some of the munster players have under their jersey on the top of their back? Some sort of padding?

gps tracker things i think.

irishbucsfan

Foxtrol wrote: »

I dont think it was that bad but Madigan got carded against the Scarlets when he didnt take his eyes off the ball while O'Dea had more than one grab at a players leg while in the air. It seems to be something refs are clamping down on so he was lucky.

Also, once again the Cardiff defense is appalling.

Madigan backed into a player in the air while barely leaving his feet. He knocked him over and the player came down dangerously. It was a yellow.

Grabbing at a player in the air is not a yellow card offense. It wasn't as dangerous. He allowed him down on his feet.

Scioch

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Madigan backed into a player in the air while barely leaving his feet. He knocked him over and the player came down dangerously. It was a yellow.

Grabbing at a player in the air is not a yellow card offense. It wasn't as dangerous. He allowed him down on his feet.

no he didn't. He swept his legs, never let go and the player landed face down nowhere close to being on his feet.

Lapin

gosplan wrote: »

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Highlighting the offending link in your post isn't helpful either.

I think the original has been deleted and hopefully the tosser who posted it is banned.

You should really go back and remove the link from your post.

thomond2006

Michael Bent

Tom James' missed tackle costs his team. Yay.

Poor enough game, most of the tries conceded were down to poor mistakes.

Foxtrol

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Madigan backed into a player in the air while barely leaving his feet. He knocked him over and the player came down dangerously. It was a yellow.

Grabbing at a player in the air is not a yellow card offense. It wasn't as dangerous. He allowed him down on his feet.

So a player not taking his eyes off the ball & accidentally taking someone out in the air is now worse than a player making more than one attempt to grab a players leg and him staying on his feet due to his reactions and balance. We might as well agree to disagree.

irishbucsfan

Scioch wrote: »

no he didn't. He swept his legs, never let go and the player landed face down nowhere close to being on his feet.

He landed on his feet. You need to watch it again.

Scioch

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He landed on his feet. You need to watch it again.

If he did I've gone mad, but I didn't record it so can't check. I hope Im right cos i can't afford therapy.

chippers

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Madigan backed into a player in the air while barely leaving his feet. He knocked him over and the player came down dangerously. It was a yellow.

Grabbing at a player in the air is not a yellow card offense. It wasn't as dangerous. He allowed him down on his feet.

I think you could do with watching it again as well. He certainly didn't allow him down on his feet!

irishbucsfan

chippers wrote: »

I think you could do with watching it again as well. He certainly didn't allow him down on his feet!

What did he come down on then?

thomond2006

Michael Bent

What do ye make of Jones' performance?

chippers

irishbucsfan wrote: »

What did he come down on then?

That's not the point. You're making it sound like he in someway helped him to the ground where the opposite is the case.

Anatidaephobia

thomond2006 wrote: »

What do ye make of Jones' performance?

He had a few great catches, but made a couple of knock-on's as well. Overall positive, I don't think he made any serious mistakes and he looked threatening enough in attack.

Foxtrol

thomond2006 wrote: »

What do ye make of Jones' performance?

He was alright but not the type of performance that should put him near the Irish squad, especially given the poor opposition.

irishbucsfan

chippers wrote: »

That's not the point. You're making it sound like he in someway helped him to the ground where the opposite is the case.

No I said it was a penalty, clear cut.

What did he come down on?

chippers

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No I said it was a penalty, clear cut.

What did he come down on?

I don't have the ability to check here! If he came down on his feet then he came down on his feet. That's not what i'm arguing.

With these tackles / infringements / collisions in the air it is the intent of the player that is the key issue.

irishbucsfan

chippers wrote: »

I don't have the ability to check here! If he came down on his feet then he came down on his feet. That's not what i'm arguing.

With these tackles / infringements / collisions in the air it is the intent of the player that is the key issue.

No that's just your convenient interpretation. It's important that the players are protected. If James had been taken off his feet then it would be dangerous.

Odea took his leg but he didn't put him in danger. I dont think there was any intent to put him in danger either. For me that's a penalty, not a sin binning.

Foxtrol

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No that's just your convenient interpretation. It's important that the players are protected. If James had been taken off his feet then it would be dangerous.

Odea took his leg but he didn't put him in danger. I dont think there was any intent to put him in danger either. For me that's a penalty, not a sin binning.

It was purely due to the players reaction and balance that he didnt end up on his face. He actually had to hop on one foot to avoid O'Dea badly twisting his knee. He made more than one attempt at the leg, caught it and pulled - thats intent. It was completely out of his hands that it didnt end up worse.

val_jester

Foxtrol wrote: »

It was purely due to the players reaction and balance that he didnt end up on his face. He actually had to hop on one foot to avoid O'Dea badly twisting his knee. He made more than one attempt at the leg, caught it and pulled - thats intent. It was completely out of his hands that it didnt end up worse.

You can't seriously be implying that O'Dea intended on landing James on his head. He was a mistimed challenge, the penalty was the right call, it wasn't enough for a yellow card.

GerM

Was a definite yellow on my opinion. He needlessly grabbed the leg of an airborne player as he ran past, dragging that leg out from under him. It was pure luck and balance that the player landed on his other leg and he could well have injured that leg.

You can't tackle a player in the air. Simple as that. This was deliberately grabbing a player, not just bumping him. If the ref had his number, he was off. LOD meant nothing by it, but it was reckless.

chippers

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No that's just your convenient interpretation. It's important that the players are protected. If James had been taken off his feet then it would be dangerous.

Odea took his leg but he didn't put him in danger. I dont think there was any intent to put him in danger either. For me that's a penalty, not a sin binning.

He pulled his leg while in the air and you don't think there was any intent to put the player in danger? It was wreckless. What was he trying to do? Get the ball....

val_jester

GerM wrote: »

Was a definite yellow on my opinion. He needlessly grabbed the leg of an airborne player as he ran past, dragging that leg out from under him. It was pure luck and balance that the player landed on his other leg and he could well have injured that leg.

You can't tackle a player in the air. Simple as that. This was deliberately grabbing a player, not just bumping him. If the ref had his number, he was off.

The ref did have his number, he deemed it not to be a yellow card offence. Not every incident like that has to end up as a yellow card.

GerM

val_jester wrote: »

The ref did have his number, he deemed it not to be a yellow card offence. Not every incident like that has to end up as a yellow card.

Did he? He asked TJ to confirm number and I thought the TJ didn't give a definitive answer.

Regardless, yes, every incident where a player pulls out the leg of a player in the air from under him should be a yellow card.

Foxtrol

val_jester wrote: »

You can't seriously be implying that O'Dea intended on landing James on his head. He was a mistimed challenge, the penalty was the right call, it wasn't enough for a yellow card.

No, it would be ridiculous to say that he intended for him to land on his head but it would be just as ridiculous to say he "allowed him down on his feet" as irishbucsfan said. When he pulled his leg he had no control as to where he would land, he's just lucky he didnt hurt him.

irishbucsfan

GerM wrote: »

Did he? He asked TJ to confirm number and I thought the TJ didn't give a definitive answer.

Regardless, yes, every incident where a player pulls out the leg of a player in the air from under him should be a yellow card.

Yes and he went and spoke to him iirc.

If you intentionally pull the leg out from under a player and bring him to ground in a way such that he is landing dangerously then I'd say you're off. That's not what happened though. It was definitely a penalty but it wasn't all that dangerous.

GerM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yes and he went and spoke to him iirc.

Definitely didn't speak with him. Just with Howlett. Don't think they were positive which player it was at all.

Once you do that to a player in the air you're not bringing him to the ground at all. His landing is mostly a lottery.

val_jester

GerM wrote: »

Did he? He asked TJ to confirm number and I thought the TJ didn't give a definitive answer.

Regardless, yes, every incident where a player pulls out the leg of a player in the air from under him should be a yellow card.

The TJ said very clearly that it was number 11.

Foxtrol wrote: »

No, it would be ridiculous to say that he intended for him to land on his head but it would be just as ridiculous to say he "allowed him down on his feet" as irishbucsfan said. When he pulled his leg he had no control as to where he would land, he's just lucky he didnt hurt him.

I'm sorry but it would have taken an extremely unlucky incident for James to have gotten injured from that tackle, yes it is ridiculous to suggest that it was a good tackle or that he allowed him down on his feet, but it wasn't worthy of a yellow, nor should every tackle, like that, in the air lead to a yellow.

val_jester

GerM wrote: »

Definitely didn't speak with him. Just with Howlett. Don't think they were positive which player it was at all.

Once you do that to a player in the air you're not bringing him to the ground at all. His landing is mostly a lottery.

They were positive which player it was, Howlett was told by the referree to have a word with O'dea about it, and he also issued a team warning about the number of penalties they were conceding.

.ak

I believe the rule is black and white, tackle or interfere with a player in the air is a yellow card, no?

pappyodaniel

Lads ye are going around in circles, I missed most of the match and am looking for what happened besides that incident.

Who played well?
Were Cardiff any good?
Any injuries sustained?
How did RO'G do?
How was Keatley at 12?
Was our defence any good?
Did we look dangerous in attack?
Did our lineout and scrum function?

etc. etc.

Answer me these questions










(I saw the incident and didn't think much of it tbh, if he was yellow carded I would have thought it to be harsh.)

CoDy1

Now Pappy,

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Who played well? TOD
Were Cardiff any good? No
Any injuries sustained? Dougal
How did RO'G do? Meh..
How was Keatley at 12? Decent
Was our defence any good? No
Did we look dangerous in attack? No
Did our lineout and scrum function? No

Awful match to watch, 2 poor teams on the pitch.

val_jester

.ak wrote: »

I believe the rule is black and white, tackle or interfere with a player in the air is a yellow card, no?

No, its not, its a penalty offence but as to whether it is a yellow or not, that is up to the referee and his opinion on how dangerous the infringement is.


On the game itself, it highlighted once again, that Munster are in dire straights if Murray gets injured, Williams and Stringer aren't good enough.

Cpt_Blackbeard

CoDy1 wrote: »

Now Pappy,



Awful match to watch, 2 poor teams on the pitch.

I thought the scrum went pretty well. I've no idea of the pedigree of the Cardiff props, but Archer did a number on their loosehead a good few times, which is great to see.

irishbucsfan

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

I thought the scrum went pretty well. I've no idea of the pedigree of the Cardiff props, but Archer did a number on their loosehead a good few times, which is great to see.

The two scrum penalties at the bed should've gone against Munster. Terrible decisions. The scrum should have cost Munster the game.

But I suppose they managed to con the ref which is a good sign

CoDy1

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

I thought the scrum went pretty well. I've no idea of the pedigree of the Cardiff props, but Archer did a number on their loosehead a good few times, which is great to see.

There was a scrum at the end, in front of our posts, where Archer popped straight away and to me it looked like it went against the head but the ref blew it in Munster's favour for some reason.

Cpt_Blackbeard

CoDy1 wrote: »

There was a scrum at the end, in front of our posts, where Archer popped straight away and to me it looked like it went against the head but the ref blew it in Munster's favour for some reason.

One or two bad scrums is still a huge improvement for Archer. Considering he had a lightweight secondrow behind him, I'd take the few examples of him blowing away the Blues scrum as a huge plus.

Judgement Day

Michael Bent

I'm just happy with the win and delighted to see Tommy O'Donnell get in for his two tries. I just love forward's tries, something about the unstoppable mass and momentum that does it for me. Laulala's wasn't half bad either. No bets on so I didn't get burnt either - great evening all round.

Foxtrol

Judgement Day wrote: »

I'm just happy with the win and delighted to see Tommy O'Donnell get in for his two tries. I just love forward's tries, something about the unstoppable mass and momentum that does it for me.

Most things are unstoppable if little or nothing is put in their way.

(Not saying he didnt have a good game)

Hagz

val_jester wrote: »

They were positive which player it was, Howlett was told by the referree to have a word with O'dea about it, and he also issued a team warning about the number of penalties they were conceding.

Don't want to get involved in the argument, but they weren't 100% positive who it was. The touch judge said no.11, but then he said something along the lines of "I think" or 'I'm not sure". I know this because on BBC Wales Davies commented on it.

phog

Poor game, but a win is a win, especially an away win. We got out of jail after letting them take the lead twice but better win it than lose it.

Sherry was disappointing tonight at LO time, think we lost 4 lineouts, hard to funtion when losing that amount of your own set pieces. Jones needs more time to settle in, he mixed the good with the bad. I was very happy with Nagle when he came on but thought Butler tried too hard, still rate him as a player. Biggest concern is the loss of Dougal, looked very uncomfortable hobbling off the field but he has a natural 3 week break now, hopefully, he wont need it all.

phog

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