Formula 1: Round 18 - Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

duke916

antodeco wrote: »

I'm just hoping Alonso is taken out on the first corner. I really want it to come down to the final race so we, the viewers, have a reason to stay watching!

If Alonso is taken out on the first corner then 'we, the viewers' as you say, will have no reason to watch the final race. Game over ppfffff

Andrew76

duke916 wrote: »

Petrov! ...jesus i remember last years race PURELY for this reason alone. This year however, my main concern for Alonso from avoiding the 'petrov' situation happening again would be that idiot Maldonado. Alonso has to climb a few places to get to him but, i think Alonso sits on the right, Maldonado on the left ...a good start should sort that out for Fernando. If not, then this twat could cause Ferrari problems.

Petrov v Alonso was two years ago.

Just watched quali then read about Vettel's disqualification, hopefully Alonso can stay out of trouble at the start, maybe grab a podium place and keep the fight alive.

Charlie-Bravo

I'm sorry, but, is the real reason for Vettel stopping on track for low fuel? Why would renault instruct the stop and not Red Bull. When Ted Kravitz questioned Christian Horner right after, surely CH would have be fully aware of the real problem if it was low fuel. Me's thinking there's something else, hence starting from pitlane if they need to work on the car outside parc ferme conditions to resolve the real problem?

YbFocus

I reckon this has just livened up what would be a dead race otherwise really. I would reckon Alonso comes 3rd and Vettel gets up to 7th but very little more. He was very stressed this morning with plenty of mistakes (the wall tap and chronic oversteer all qualifying), I reckon this could happen again tomorrow with the nerves shot and see him not make much headway at all!

It'll make for a great end to the season if it plays out right

astrofluff

astrofluff wrote: »

I'm sorry, but, is the real reason for Vettel stopping on track for low fuel? Why would renault instruct the stop and not Red Bull. When Ted Kravitz questioned Christian Horner right after, surely CH would have be fully aware of the real problem if it was low fuel. Me's thinking there's something else, hence starting from pitlane if they need to work on the car outside parc ferme conditions to resolve the real problem?

They knew they would not have enough fuel to satisfy the 1L extraction rule if they did an in lap. It wouldn't have been deliberate, just a miscalculation. So they stopped on track hoping they would just have enough by the skin of their teeth. And they almost did. 850ml

But you can't use that as an excuse for stopping on the track any more. If you say you stopped because you didn't have enough fuel then you are automatically disqualified. So they conjured up a technical issue and crossed their fingers that they would have enough fuel.

So of course Christian Horner was not going to say anything about low fuel. At that point he was hoping the FIA would accept their 'technical problem' and he was also hoping they would have 1L of fuel in the car.

Charlie-Bravo

Nice - it was some effort of playing it cool by CH even though you could sense something suspicious/odd was up!

recyclebin

I like the way when ever anything goes wrong with the Red Bull it's usually Renault that they blame.

I know Renault were at fault for the alternators at Valencia. Red Bull were very quick to say that Renault told them to shut off the engines after quali today.

Charlie-Bravo

Still intrigued by this so-called problem for Vettel's car - reading this from Autosport:

A statement issued by the FIA said: "The stewards heard from the driver and team representatives and studied telemetry evidence that showed the reason why the car was stopped.

"The Stewards accepted the explanation and considered the incident as being a case of force majeure.

"However a report was received from the Technical Delegate that showed during post-qualifying scrutineering an insufficient quantity of fuel for sampling purposes."

The breach of regulations left the stewards with no choice but to exclude Vettel from qualifying.

I wonder what explanation they gave - anyone have any insight to the Red Bull**** they gave as an excuse?

Cookie_Monster

no mention of cars running wide between 20 and 21. Quite a few cars looked like they had all 4 wheels over the line, vettel certainly did, not that that matters now of course. Webber looked over too

bbsrs

Bernie organising a close season finish again.

vectra

bbsrs wrote: »

Bernie organising a close season finish again.

Bernie does not fuel the car's I am afraid

Top Dog

T-Maxx wrote: »

Compressed highlights? Let's hope there are any ...

We might be in luck now with Vettel starting from the pit lane :D

If Red Bull are bull****ting to the stewards I hope the book is thrown at them.

bbsrs

vectra wrote: »

Bernie does not fuel the car's I am afraid

He doesn't need to , he has a kill switch for every car like the karting tracks have on their karts to stop you messing.

astrofluff

astrofluff wrote: »

I wonder what explanation they gave - anyone have any insight to the Red Bull**** they gave as an excuse?

I think they showed some telemetry that the fuel pressure was dropping. So their excuse would have been that if they continued and the fuel pressure went too low, the engine could be damage (im not sure I accept that excuse personally).

In any case its a moot point - why was the fuel pressure dropping? Because they didn't have enough left ! :pac:

They tried to pull one over and didn't get away with it.

Muff_Daddy

I'm very suspicious of Red Bull, and in particular Horner.

The level of incredulousness displayed by him when his team are clearly in the wrong, like this situation with the fuel or the incident with Button in Germany is the exact same as the numerous times he is questioned about the legality of his cars. Smarmy, butter wouldn't melt in my mouth stuff.

I'm not accusing RB of cheating, I just think Horner is a bit fishy. And don't get me started on that Helmut Marko guy.

bnt

The front wing on that Ferrari looks like a Christmas tree - some very fussy aerodynamic tweaks there.

keith16

Lads, whats the craic with DRS and "DRS Zones" being turned on / off? I don't get it at all.

EDIT: Nevermind, think I got it now.

keith16

keith16 wrote: »

Lads, whats the craic with DRS and "DRS Zones" being turned on / off? I don't get it at all.

It's not activated til the first few laps are run and it's disabled if there's a yellow flag in the area. They also disable it after a safety car sometimes. It's a result of the daft system that sounds like something a schoolkid would make, having a detection bit then activation instead of just live sensing.

Max_Charger

Brutal start by webber

Kimi you ****ing legend.

keith16

Amazing start by Raikonnen

Max_Charger

Max_Charger wrote: »

Brutal start by webber

He's just not very good. Just about every weekend there's something.

Max_Charger

What a move from Alonso!

Kxiii

Go On Alonso

greendom

Brilliant driving from Alonso

Once Vettel gets past the 3 idiot teams he'll already be up to 13th.

Max_Charger

Vettel front wing fooked

Darwin

Was something sparking underneath Hamilton's car?

bnt

Max_Charger wrote: »

Vettel front wing fooked

Doesn't look too major, could be manageable until the tire stop.

Darwin

Darwin wrote: »

Was something sparking underneath Hamilton's car?

I thought the front wing looked odd somehow.

Max_Charger

bnt wrote: »

Doesn't look too major, could be manageable until the tire stop.

Doesn't seem to be bad enough to come in for now alright.

Vettel is pretty much the fastest man on the track right now.

Ghost Train

big crash for rosberg

safety car

Max_Charger

Carnage

Kxiii

Deleted User wrote: »

Vettel is pretty much the fastest man on the track right now.

Makes you wonder how much of the front wing is not needed.

Max_Charger

F*cking hell!

Daniel S

CLASS!!!

bnt

Spectacular, but both guys are OK. Vettel's got to be happy about the Safety Car. Hope they get all that carbon fibre off the track, or we'll be seeing even more punctures ...

antodeco

Some crash!

Daniel S

'Mon Kimi! :pac:

edgy

Wow some crash, amazing that they could just walk away from it

antodeco

Not such a boring race after all

Ghost Train

Rosberg caught out a bit, lucky neither hurt

Cool_CM

Not such a boring grand prix after all!

Max_Charger

Ghost Train wrote: »

Rosberg caught out a bit, lucky neither hurt

Karthikeyan lucky not to have his head taken off.

Kxiii

Not Vettles day at all

antodeco

Bahahahaha Vettel

keith16

What the hell is Vettel playing at?

edgy

Vettel is having some bad day!