snow tyres?

jeltz

CiniO wrote: »

Would you have any list, showing which tyre is Nordic and which one is Central EU? Or at least few examples.

The name usually indicates which it is eg arctic, nordic, blizzard, ice, will be in the name.

Nokian don't make it easy but if you read the description, the world famous Hakkapeliitta R is described as a "Nordic non-studded winter tyre".

Distribution is another clue, they are not made available in central Europe if they are not suitable and vice versa. Otherwise they could be extremely dangerous in some conditions if someone is driving on it without realizing. I think sometimes people get these as part worns and complain that you cant drive on winter tyres over +5C without realizing they are driving a death trap on tyres they should never have been sold. That is what distributors and tyre companies try to avoid.

keithclancy

jeltz wrote: »

The name usually indicates which it is eg arctic, nordic, blizzard, ice, will be in the name.

Nokian don't make it easy but if you read the description, the world famous Hakkapeliitta R is described as a "Nordic non-studded winter tyre".

Distribution is another clue, they are not made available in central Europe if they are not suitable and vice versa. Otherwise they could be extremely dangerous in some conditions if someone is driving on it without realizing. I think sometimes people get these as part worns and complain that you cant drive on winter tyres over +5C without realizing they are driving a death trap on tyres they should never have been sold. That is what distributors and tyre companies try to avoid.

Personal Preference really, its cheaper and safer for me to have a set of barely worn Winters that are used 3 months of the year than a set of All Years that cost more and are much more worn during the Winter months.

The All Years wore down much quicker for me anyway.

jeltz

If you are living in Netherlands you are bound to know what you are buying compared to people here. It is certainly is safer than not having them I agree. What ones could you get?

Esel

So, TL/DR from posts 42-52 is that All-Season tyres (with the Snowflake symbol) are safe for year-round use here. Did I get that right?

keithclancy

jeltz wrote: »

If you are living in Netherlands you are bound to know what you are buying compared to people here. It is certainly is safer than not having them I agree. What ones could you get?

The all weathers I got were a set of Vredestein Quatracs 2s .. they were great ... a little bit noiser than the Continentals I have now.

But they wore very quickly .. only got around 40k out of them which is less than a year but into the Winter they were no good

jeltz

Esel wrote: »

So, TL/DR from posts 42-52 is that All-Weather tyres are safe for year-round use here. Did I get that right?

Yes.

Except that All Weather tires is a North American term for what are called All Season tyres here in Europe, tyres with the snowflake symbol. So you are right

jeltz

keithclancy wrote: »

The all weathers I got were a set of Vredestein Quatracs 2s .. they were great ... a little bit noiser than the Continentals I have now.

But they wore very quickly .. only got around 40k out of them which is less than a year but into the Winter they were no good

It seems you do a fair amount of driving. They must have been worn to the threads!!

keithclancy

jeltz wrote: »

Yes.

Except that All Weather tires is a North American term for what are called All Season tyres here in Europe, tyres with the snowflake symbol. So you are right

Hmm ... Dutch is pretty interchangeable for English terms, here its either Alle Weer Banden (All Weather tyres) or 4-seizoenenbanden (4 Season Tyres)

jeltz

I have heard the word banden before, it makes me think of rubber bands on wheels!

Esel

jeltz wrote: »

Yes.

Except that All Weather tires is a North American term for what are called All Season tyres here in Europe, tyres with the snowflake symbol. So you are right

Doh! See, all that repetition of the difference in your linked posts got the better of me! I've edited my post above.

CJhaughey

CiniO wrote: »

Would you have any list, showing which tyre is Nordic and which one is Central EU? Or at least few examples.

I go by the Nokian site, which lists the Central European tyres as WRA3 WRD3 and W+ and All Season Plus.
The Nordic Tyres are listed as Hakkapellita 7 and Hakkapellita R of which the former is studded and the other not.

If you read the descriptor on the individual tyre page it will tell you.

Marlow

Esel wrote: »

So, TL/DR from posts 42-52 is that All-Season tyres (with the Snowflake symbol) are safe for year-round use here. Did I get that right?

Matter of fact, most (if not all) all-terrain tyres are rated M+S (mud+slush) tyres. And well, you don't have much of a choice of something else there, if that's the type of tyre you need No summer tyres available.

/M

slimjimmc

bbsrs wrote: »

Look what happens to formula 1 wets on a dry track , same thing happens to Snow tyres on the road in non winter conditions just to a much lesser degree.

Don't know what other tyres are like but I've been driving on the same set of Dunlop Winter Sport 3D M+S all year for nearly 2 years and found them perfectly fine in Ireland's "hot" weather and excellent in wet weather regardless of season. Certainly had no problem under emergency braking from 100km/h a few months ago.

kupus

I have a set of all weathers/all season on my car at the moment, now I drive on roads with loads of bends, bumps, boar, deer, sheep goats and the added bonus then of nearly every single driver being a f88king idiot that will pass out a line of cars on a hill, brow, dip, and corner....and they're usually driving a corsa or other small car.

Its the rainy season now and there was also small snowfall and I found the tires to be ****E.
I wanted to go around a corner no, they wanted to go straight, I dont have power steering so I can feel it even more. Its actually scary but also a great thrill to get around a corner intact. Worst tires I ever had. Im changing as soon as i get to the city. Had a separate set of winter and summer in the past and they were a lot better.

CJhaughey

kupus wrote: »

I have a set of all weathers/all season on my car at the moment,
Worst tires I ever had. Im changing as soon as i get to the city. Had a separate set of winter and summer in the past and they were a lot better.

I don't think you can generalise that all allseason tyres are ****.
I had Pirelli 2500 4S on before rated as all season and with M+S marking.
They were fine as a normal summer tyre but in snow they weren't great.
The Nokian All Weather Plus I have fitted this week are nothing like the Pirellis they stick much better in cold temps.

Saying All season tyres are shíte is like saying summer tyres are bad in cold wet weather.

Some are some aren't it depends on the tyre.

gooner99

CJhaughey wrote: »

I don't think you can generalise that all allseason tyres are ****.
I had Pirelli 2500 4S on before rated as all season and with M+S marking.
They were fine as a normal summer tyre but in snow they weren't great.
The Nokian All Weather Plus I have fitted this week are nothing like the Pirellis they stick much better in cold temps.

Saying All season tyres are shíte is like saying summer tyres are bad in cold wet weather.

Some are some aren't it depends on the tyre.

Hi CJ. Whats the Nokian All Weather Plus like in relation to the WRG2, if you have experience of the WRG2?

jeltz

For the casual reader the Nokian All Weather Plus is an update of the excellent WR G2. http://www.nokiantyres.com/tyre?id=21638755&group=1.01