Waterford Airport.

Muttley79

JCX BXC wrote: »

Yes, yes you would. Shannon airport have often advertised in Cork. Although for your faux outrage you can just continue to ignore that fact if you wish.

Have you got evidence or a link to show Shannon airport advertising on a local cork radio station

Time

Muttley79 wrote: »

Wlr fm the radio station of Waterford constantly advertises cork airport.would you see any other city in Ireland advertise another city airport?No you wouldn't.cork airport must be throwing big money at Waterford media to promote their airport

Why wouldn’t they? They’re geographically the closest airport to Waterford, they’d be stupid not to try gain some of the market share available.

Also Shannon airport were on cork radio stations as part of this campaign - https://southern.ie/work/shannon-airport/ then again they have routes that aren’t served by Cork so why wouldn’t they try gain that business from Dublin

man98

Muttley79 wrote: »

Have you got evidence or a link to show Shannon airport advertising on a local cork radio station

Shannon Airport had a huge advertising campaign plastered all over Cork City buses for around 6 months last year.

Separately, Aer Lingus had a billboard outside Cork railway station advertising 20 flights a day to London (from Dublin).

Call it faux outrage, but I think it's silly that they're all undermining each other when they're owned by the same body at the end of the day (I know it's more nuanced that, but still). When it comes to airlines openly advertising flights to a destination 3.5 hours up the road right beside a bus stop to a much closer airport which they also fly to - you'd wonder what EI's strategy is.

marno21

man98 wrote: »

Shannon Airport had a huge advertising campaign plastered all over Cork City buses for around 6 months last year.

Separately, Aer Lingus had a billboard outside Cork railway station advertising 20 flights a day to London (from Dublin).

Call it faux outrage, but I think it's silly that they're all undermining each other when they're owned by the same body at the end of the day (I know it's more nuanced that, but still). When it comes to airlines openly advertising flights to a destination 3.5 hours up the road right beside a bus stop to a much closer airport which they also fly to - you'd wonder what EI's strategy is.

Anyone who either drives or gets the bus from Cork to go to London (especially drives as there are other airports nearby with London flights) should get their head examined. A 300km trip in the wrong direction to get a flight to a destination that currently has upto 9 flights daily from an airport 10km away.

914

Planning permission sought for 470 meter extension at the northern end of the current runway and increasing runway to 45 meters from 30 meters. This is in addition to the 350 meters which is currently granted for the southern end of the runway. Which would bring total runway lenght to 2253 meters long.

Masala

Is this including the RESA runoff area??? That can’t be included in runway length.

Jamie2k9

If both were built potentially longer runway than Cork....

914

Masala wrote: »

Is this including the RESA runoff area??? That can’t be included in runway length.

I'm presuming this includes the safety run off area which would then give WAT a 1800-2000 meter runway.

lassykk

What would that allow in terms of Airlines?

Wonder who will fund it

914

lassykk wrote: »

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Thats the question. Might be just a case of putting in for planning and having it, although recent news and star report stated they have am investor to match government funding if it was provided.

Time

lassykk wrote: »

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My thoughts exactly, it's one thing getting PP, it's another funding it. 2000m isn't long enough for a 737 but its plenty for an Embraer 190 which would have more than enough range for any destination WAT would realistically connect to ,

Jamie2k9

Time wrote: »

My thoughts exactly, it's one thing getting PP, it's another funding it. 2000m isn't long enough for a 737 but its plenty for an Embraer 190 which would have more than enough range for any destination WAT would realistically connect to ,

2,000 would be fine for B737-800 for UK and European cities. Airlines have standard 738 and enhanced (both fine with 2,000m) and aircraft like MAX are ever better in terms of performance. Then Airbus isn't a issue either.

SEN is around 1,850 and Ryanair are now basing B738 now while Easyjet fly 3.5 hour flights to TFS with Airbus.

Time

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

2,000 would be fine for B737-800 for UK and European cities. Airlines have standard 738 and enhanced and aircraft like MAX are ever better in terms of performance. Then Airbus isn't a issue either.

SEN is around 1,850 and Ryanair are basing B738 now while Easyjet fly 3.5 hour flights to TFS.

Load factor on a 737-800 out of WAT would be a major issue i'd imagine, outside of a direct flight to London nothing else would be anywhere near viable. Embraer 195 would be a much better choice, gives the option of LCY too.

Jamie2k9

Time wrote: »

Load factor on a 737-800 out of WAT would be a major issue i'd imagine, outside of a direct flight to London nothing else would be anywhere near viable. Embraer 195 would be a much better choice, gives the option of LCY too.

Loads are different but a low cost would have no problem filling London and seasonal Med flights.

E-195 are good but not particularly efficent on fuel.

Time

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Loads are different but a low cost would have no problem filling London and seasonal Med flights.

E-195 are good but not particularly efficent on fuel.

Just had a look, never realised it was that bad, compared to the C-Series/A200 its 50% worse!

Muttley79

I flew out of Kerry airport two years ago,Kerry airport building is only the size of a big house,it flies to 2 London routes,dublin,faro,Alicante,Frankfurt and Berlin.its stuck between cork airport and Shannon airport and its running fine,hopefully Waterford airport could eventually get up to this in the near future if everything falls into place

Muttley79

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10BuwodjsXK0gsOTFRK9RK7MWZW_6rUaj/view?usp=drivesdk
Hopefully this is the start of the revival for Waterford airport

Jamie2k9

This will be massive if it comes off.

Harry Palmr

Who is funding this? No point in seeking PP if it isn't backed

Muttley79

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Who is funding this? No point in seeking PP if it isn't backed

Ernst and young where doing a report on the airport for the government the last few weeks to see was the airport sustainable for the future,maybe their report is positive about Waterford airport,maybe somebody is jumping the gun a bit but anyhow looks like the planning has gone in for runway

JourneyMan8

don't know the facts or whatever else behind the airport debate, but does Ireland need a airport in Waterford? seems like everything is covered with what's there now, what would the selling point be? this is a question before someone tries to shoot me down lol

Deiseen

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Who is funding this? No point in seeking PP if it isn't backed

A private investor has committed some money to it. It needs to be matched by thr Gov and funding sought from Kilkenny and Wexford CC.

man98

JourneyMan8 wrote: »

don't know the facts or whatever else behind the airport debate, but does Ireland need a airport in Waterford? seems like everything is covered with what's there now, what would the selling point be? this is a question before someone tries to shoot me down lol

We feel that Waterford Airport needs to be developed because the south east is lagging behind in tourism, in business, and in job opportunities. A return of flights to Waterford would hopefully improve this.

tbarry31

That is a big runway. Not that it matters but would that be a bigger runway then Cork , Kerry

JCX BXC

tbarry31 wrote: »

That is a big runway. Not that it matters but would that be a bigger runway then Cork , Kerry

It would be. 2,253m is longer than Cork (2133m) and Kerry (2000m)

Deiseen

JCX BXC wrote: »

tbarry31 wrote: »

That is a big runway. Not that it matters but would that be a bigger runway then Cork , Kerry

It would be. 2,253m is longer than Cork (2133m) and Kerry (2000m)

You seem to know more than most. Any reason for the long runway? Assuming costing is an issue aswell, surely the bare minimum would do?

JCX BXC

Deiseen wrote: »

You seem to know more than most. Any reason for the long runway? Assuming costing is an issue aswell, surely the bare minimum would do?

Perhaps it's a slight bit longer than is necessary for the airport, but the length would be beneficial, assuming it can actually be funded.

The conspiry theorist within me suggests that it's possible the extension is so large that is could never be funded, and hence would not occur. Unlikely but something that did occur to me.

Bards

Alternative for Dublin bound aircraft in case of bad weather etc?

JCX BXC

Bards wrote: »

Alternative for Dublin bound aircraft in case of bad weather etc?

You wouldn't spend that money for that cause. Plus you've Cork, Kerry, Shannon and Knock already!

Just no.

Muttley79

Maybe just maybe Ryanair might fly out of Waterford once again considering they are constantly fighting with DAA in dublin,they could call it dublin south airport haha,even though recently robin Kiely communications chief for Ryanair says the runway is to short and the motorway to dublin is to good,but hey money talks and bull**** walks,surely with a population of 500k in the south east region they would be an appetite for Waterford airport to work