Waterford Airport.

Teebor15

JCX BXC wrote: »

Just imagine, an airport an hour away from everywhere any major population or tourist center and the notion of shutting down all the other airports within a 2 hour drive. Imagine doing that politically.

But sure isn't an hours drive to an airport fine. Isn't that what you tell the people of the South East when you say Waterford Airport is not required.

Couldn't see that much opposition. Who with any influence would object to getting a brand new airport with Motorway access with the support of a critical mass to offer flights and frequencies the the current two can only dream of.

It would also allow Knock to achieve a higher critical mass and be self sustaining as they wouldn't be competing with Shannon for the Galway city catchment area though they seem to be winning that battle regardless.

It's a no brainer.

Masala

Teebor15 wrote: »

But sure isn't an hours drive to an airport fine. Isn't that what you tell the people of the South East when you say Waterford Airport is not required.

Couldn't see that much opposition. Who with any influence would object to getting a brand new airport with Motorway access with the support of a critical mass to offer flights and frequencies the the current two can only dream of.

It would also allow Knock to achieve a higher critical mass and be self sustaining as they wouldn't be competing with Shannon for the Galway city catchment area though they seem to be winning that battle regardless.

It's a no brainer.

Ahh man... stop!!! You killing me here... are you Peter Kay in disguise.

JCX BXC

Teebor15 wrote: »

Couldn't see that much opposition.

Well then Specsavers is required!

Remember the opposition, simply when Shannon lost its flights to Heathrow?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1020/94969-shannon/

*I disagree with most or perhaps all points you've made so far but I'm not wasting time replying to those*

Teebor15

JCX BXC wrote: »

Well then Specsavers is required!

Remember the opposition, simply when Shannon lost its flights to Heathrow?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1020/94969-shannon/

*I disagree with most or perhaps all points you've made so far but I'm not wasting time replying to those*

Apples and Oranges. There wouldn't flights lost...but a lot gained!

Oh that's a pity...I would love to hear your thoughts...you're very knowledgeable.

Teebor15

Merry Christmas everyone! ðŸ˜

JCX BXC

Teebor15 wrote: »

Merry Christmas everyone! ðŸ˜

You too!

dzilla

alta stare wrote: »

You implied and that was enough for me to correct you. I dont see the big deal here???

You where being pedantic. The point you made is incorrect aswell

alta stare

dzilla wrote: »

You where being pedantic. The point you made is incorrect aswell

Ok if you say so.

Muttley79

https://business-support-network.org/Irish-Business/cork-airport-eyeing-more-transatlantic-flights-waterford-airport-awaits-decision-on-future-2/
The latest on the future of the airport.shane Ross still sitting on report from ey

ExoPolitic

Muttley79 wrote: »

https://business-support-network.org/Irish-Business/cork-airport-eyeing-more-transatlantic-flights-waterford-airport-awaits-decision-on-future-2/
The latest on the future of the airport.shane Ross still sitting on report from ey

Yes I spoke to Eddie Mulligan to see what was happening two days ago, he said it was sitting on Share Ross's desk awaiting release...

Dum_Dum

ExoPolitic wrote: »

Yes I spoke to Eddie Mulligan to see what was happening two days ago, he said it was sitting on Share Ross's desk awaiting release...

Shane's a slow reader, put shows promise. We gave him a gold star for beautifully colouring-in the big jumbo jet on the cover.

JohnC.

That was a mistake. He'll say you don't need an upgrade if you've already got jumbo jets.

Dum_Dum

According to Dáil record, the Minister only received the response from the Airport just over a week ago:


https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2019-02-07a.549


Does it bode well? I'm thinking the E&Y report might have been quite negative if the Airport had to mount substantial counterarguments. But my inference might be flawed.

invara

A piece in the Irish Examiner on the airport: Calls grow for prompt Waterford Airport funding decision

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/calls-grow-for-prompt-waterford-airport-funding-decision-903957.html

ExoPolitic

The proposed runway extension to put it in to context, would make Waterford's runway longer than Corks. Meaning they could land any narrowbody airliner they wanted along with a selection of widebodies. In reality we're only likely to see smaller narrowbodies land here for the catchment area. But still, the airport has proven it could handle over 135,000 people annually in the past.

The problem we are now facing is that report, the fact it is being held, even though it is complete suggests to me the answer is a no from the government, why release a report which would upset people when you can hold on to it and make the next TD who comes in announce the bad news instead?

They thought an election was coming, but it has now been delayed, hence the resurfacing of demands to hear the report.

In reality I can see Waterford airport working, not with ryanair but the likes of easyjet, ASL, TUI (for charters), Eurowings or similar as they have kept out of the Irish market for fear of ryanair competing on their routes, ryanair have made it clear they will not operate from Waterford. Perhaps we might see a return of the Southend route?

curmudgeonly

ExoPolitic wrote: »

The proposed runway extension to put it in to context, would make Waterford's runway longer than Corks. Meaning they could land any narrowbody airliner they wanted along with a selection of widebodies. In reality we're only likely to see smaller narrowbodies land here for the catchment area. But still, the airport has proven it could handle over 135,000 people annually in the past.

The problem we are now facing is that report, the fact it is being held, even though it is complete suggests to me the answer is a no from the government, why release a report which would upset people when you can hold on to it and make the next TD who comes in announce the bad news instead?

They thought an election was coming, but it has now been delayed, hence the resurfacing of demands to hear the report.

In reality I can see Waterford airport working, not with ryanair but the likes of easyjet, ASL, TUI (for charters), Eurowings or similar as they have kept out of the Irish market for fear of ryanair competing on their routes, ryanair have made it clear they will not operate from Waterford. Perhaps we might see a return of the Southend route?

Also don't forget the Aircraft maintenance twist to this story, one of the backers runs the biggest Private aircraft maintenance companies in the country, currently working out of a rented building in Dublin airport where landing slots are at a premium.

blackwhite

curmudgeonly wrote: »

Also don't forget the Aircraft maintenance twist to this story, one of the backers runs the biggest Private aircraft maintenance companies in the country, currently working out of a rented building in Dublin airport where landing slots are at a premium.

TBH - this could be the best hope of a business case for the airport.

If you could build a viable maintenance hub (and runway is a key requirement for that), then you could cover a huge level of the fixed costs of running the airport.

If that was achieved it should be possible to offer quite attractive landing fees to try and attract some low cost carriers.

ExoPolitic

I'd forgotten about the maintenance company, then yes that would be optimum outcome for Waterford and the company.

marno21

What about the existing maintenance hub at Shannon Airport?

Surely trying to get some of that down to Waterford would be robbing Peter to pay Paul?

blackwhite

marno21 wrote: »

What about the existing maintenance hub at Shannon Airport?

Surely trying to get some of that down to Waterford would be robbing Peter to pay Paul?

Not necessarily. There's maintenance hubs around EMEA and the world, and airlines generally are willing to send craft outside of their normal areas of operation for maintenance (EI have sent craft to Abu Dhabi in the past).

Depends what types of craft, or what types of maintenance, the company would choose to specialise in.
It doesn't necessarily follow that it would have to cannibalise the Shannon business.

Bards

Waterford has experienced enough of robbing Peter to pay Paul... Especially to Cork.... What's good for the goose is good enough for the gander

marno21

blackwhite wrote: »

Not necessarily. There's maintenance hubs around EMEA and the world, and airlines generally are willing to send craft outside of their normal areas of operation for maintenance (EI have sent craft to Abu Dhabi in the past).

Depends what types of craft, or what types of maintenance, the company would choose to specialise in.
It doesn't necessarily follow that it would have to cannibalise the Shannon business.

Yes, but there are already 2 maintenance bases in Dublin and Shannon, why would a third need to be located in Waterford when there is plenty of expansion room at Shannon? And Shannon has a much longer runway capable of handling bigger aircraft.

Bards wrote: »

Waterford has experienced enough of robbing Peter to pay Paul... Especially to Cork.... What's good for the goose is good enough for the gander

Can you explain this please - I really don't know what you are trying to say.

Shn99

Not to mention there’s an 8th hangar under construction in Shannon for painting and maintenance, it’s capable of holding an A380

Teebor15

marno21 wrote: »

What about the existing maintenance hub at Shannon Airport?

Surely trying to get some of that down to Waterford would be robbing Peter to pay Paul?

What has Shannon got to do with anything?

The head of Dublin Aerospace has said that he feels their days are numbered in their present location at Dublin Airport and was looking at the possibility of relocating part of the business to a regional airport but unlikely to be Shannon.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/dublin-aerospace-considering-base-in-regional-airport-36487781.html

It is being suggested that Dublin Aerospace may be interested in Waterford if the runway was extended.

Nothing to to with Shannon

Yes, but there are already 2 maintenance bases in Dublin and Shannon, why would a third need to be located in Waterford when there is plenty of expansion room at Shannon? And Shannon has a much longer runway capable of handling bigger aircraft.

So much wrong with that I don't where to start!

marno21

Teebor15 wrote: »

What has Shannon got to do with anything?

The head of Dublin Aerospace has said that he feels their days are numbered in their present location at Dublin Airport and was looking at the possibility of relocating part of the business to a regional airport but unlikely to be Shannon.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/dublin-aerospace-considering-base-in-regional-airport-36487781.html

It is being suggested that Dublin Aerospace may be interested in Waterford if the runway was extended.

Nothing to to with Shannon



So much wrong with that I don't where to start!

Why would someone open a maintenance base at an under threat regional airport currently incapable of handling jet aircraft, and won't be able to handle jet aircraft for the forseeable future, when there is a maintenance hub at Shannon, which has a trained workforce they could try and poach, has experience in the area, lots of room for expansion and a university down the road with a course training up aircraft maintenance personnel?

Also, according to the article they will "consider". Which was 13 months ago now.

Shn99

marno21 wrote: »

Why would someone open a maintenance base at an under threat regional airport currently incapable of handling jet aircraft, and won't be able to handle jet aircraft for the forseeable future, when there is a maintenance hub at Shannon, which has a trained workforce they could try and poach, has experience in the area, lots of room for expansion and a university down the road with a course training up aircraft maintenance personnel?

Also, according to the article they will "consider". Which was 13 months ago now.

Looking at Waterford Airport on the map, it looks like a good bit of land would have to be purchased to fit such a hangar. I couldn’t see Dub Aerospace doing this and i doubt the govt would fund it.

Teebor15

Don't shoot the messenger...did you actually read the article?

You're dead right lads..it's just pure speculation nonsense..it'll never happen..sorry!

Bards

Shn99 wrote: »

marno21 wrote: »

Why would someone open a maintenance base at an under threat regional airport currently incapable of handling jet aircraft, and won't be able to handle jet aircraft for the forseeable future, when there is a maintenance hub at Shannon, which has a trained workforce they could try and poach, has experience in the area, lots of room for expansion and a university down the road with a course training up aircraft maintenance personnel?

Also, according to the article they will "consider". Which was 13 months ago now.

Looking at Waterford Airport on the map, it looks like a good bit of land would have to be purchased to fit such a hangar. I couldn’t see Dub Aerospace doing this and i doubt the govt would fund it.

Go troll somewhere else

marno21

Lads, I'd be as happy as ye would to have services to London etc from Waterford Airport again. That's the market that the airport needs to chase.

This maintenance stuff is only a distraction from what will be its core operation - passenger jets. It's a bit like the Western Rail Corridor thread being filled with page after page about freight demand - it's a distraction.

notharrypotter

marno21 wrote: »

This maintenance stuff is only a distraction from what will be its core operation - passenger jets. It's a bit like the Western Rail Corridor thread being filled with page after page about freight demand - it's a distraction.

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